Sharia law and American values

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Sharia law and American values

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Is Sharia law compatible with American values? If not, would you turn away immigrants who have stated their goal is to impose Sharia law in the U.S.?
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RobertUrbanek wrote:Is Sharia law compatible with American values? If not, would you turn away immigrants who have stated their goal is to impose Sharia law in the U.S.?
I really don't know enough about Sharia Law to say.

Is Old Testament Law compatible with American Values?

Should we turn away conservative Jews or Christians as immigrants if they feel OT law should be imposed in the U.S.?
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RobertUrbanek wrote:Is Sharia law compatible with American values? If not, would you turn away immigrants who have stated their goal is to impose Sharia law in the U.S.?
Given that Sharia law in any of its manifestations is based on a religious system it is absolutely incompatible with the secular nature of the US. However this in no way would be a valid reason to deny an immigrant who otherwise qualifies for US citizenship entry into our nation.

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Wyvern wrote:
RobertUrbanek wrote:Is Sharia law compatible with American values? If not, would you turn away immigrants who have stated their goal is to impose Sharia law in the U.S.?
Given that Sharia law in any of its manifestations is based on a religious system it is absolutely incompatible with the secular nature of the US. However this in no way would be a valid reason to deny an immigrant who otherwise qualifies for US citizenship entry into our nation.
I largely agree. In a system with freedom of religion, any individual's religious views should not be relevant to granting them citizenship status, even if that view includes wanting to have everyone else follow their religious views. As long as they don't behave in a way that violates the law or others' freedoms, they should be allowed in, everything else being equal.
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micatala wrote:
RobertUrbanek wrote:Is Sharia law compatible with American values? If not, would you turn away immigrants who have stated their goal is to impose Sharia law in the U.S.?
I really don't know enough about Sharia Law to say.

Is Old Testament Law compatible with American Values?

Should we turn away conservative Jews or Christians as immigrants if they feel OT law should be imposed in the U.S.?
Yes and yes. The operative terms are "American Values" and "imposed". If by "American Values", you mean the laws of a constitutional democratic republic as practiced in the United Ststes if America, then the dictates of just about any legal code are compatable with that as long as they are enacted subject to the Constitution. This brings us to the term "imposed". In our system, nothing can be "imposed" on any citizen with out first being enacted by due process of law by a duly elected representative body or by voluntary contract. Also, if either of these or anything else that might be "imposed" on a citizen, that citizen has the right to petition the government for a redress of greivences.

Therefore, both Sharia and HaTorah are compatable with, but can not superceed the Constitution and laws of the United States as enacted by the duly elected representatives of the citizenry. Also, anyone seeking citizenship must pledge to abide by and uphold this system of governance. Therefore, anyone who desires to "impose" anythiing should be denighed citizenship.

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Is Sharia law compatible with American values?
Like most law / value systems, some of it yes, some of it no.

While American, I'm ultimately responsible for my own values only. Much of my value system has me run counter to the values my own government seems to espouse. Should I be deported?

Best I can tell, it's pretty much the 'duty' of far too many religious folks - already here in America - to impose their superstitious beliefs on others when they can't reason 'em into it. Should we deport these folks?
If not, would you turn away immigrants who have stated their goal is to impose Sharia law in the U.S.?
As I understand Sharia law, yes. As I understand what it is to be human, I'd hope to take such on a case by case basis.

That said, I think there's some legitimate concern about the issue, especially as we look to how Sharia promoting Muslims have gained such a foothold in Western Europe - for good or bad.
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RobertUrbanek wrote:Is Sharia law compatible with American values? If not, would you turn away immigrants who have stated their goal is to impose Sharia law in the U.S.?
American values? I don't know no american values. Would you enlighten me on the values that are the same for ALL americans?

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100%atheist wrote:
RobertUrbanek wrote:Is Sharia law compatible with American values? If not, would you turn away immigrants who have stated their goal is to impose Sharia law in the U.S.?
American values? I don't know no american values. Would you enlighten me on the values that are the same for ALL americans?
The Bill of Rights. Is there even a Muslim nation with freedom of religion as we know it?

Sharia Law is completely antithetical to Western ideas of basic human rights, and is basically gender apartheid. If immigrants don't like it here they can always move.
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East of Eden wrote:
100%atheist wrote:
RobertUrbanek wrote:Is Sharia law compatible with American values? If not, would you turn away immigrants who have stated their goal is to impose Sharia law in the U.S.?
American values? I don't know no american values. Would you enlighten me on the values that are the same for ALL americans?
The Bill of Rights. Is there even a Muslim nation with freedom of religion as we know it?

Sharia Law is completely antithetical to Western ideas of basic human rights, and is basically gender apartheid. If immigrants don't like it here they can always move.
Nor does it acknowledge laws where it is not accepted. My understanding is that Sharia Law encourages the rejection of nonSharia law by individuals living under other forms of government.

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RobertUrbanek wrote:Is Sharia law compatible with American values? If not, would you turn away immigrants who have stated their goal is to impose Sharia law in the U.S.?
Honor killings are one of the most immoral acts in modern society. No, those laws are not compatible, they can try and impose their laws but they will fail every time.

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