Protesting Muslims for no reason

[Goat]

This video is showing conservtives in Orange county California , protesting at a benefit for charity by Muslims.

I think the video speaks for itself.

While the protesters have the legal right to protest, is this protest justified, or is it in the same category as the West boro Church protesting funerals? (or someplace in between?)

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[Lux]

There is no difference between this and what the WBC does. It's every bit as hate-inciting, intolerant and aggressive as Phelps and his people.

It's ironic that they should do this while holding the flag that is supposed to stand for freedom and equality. Whom do they think they're better than, if they proudly spread such hate?

From a legal point of view what they're doing is not out of line, but from an ethical, humanitarian point of view, I would not call this justifiable.


Edit to add: Someone should let these people know that footage from protests and events such as this one can very well be used to spark up (more) hate towards America in the East, and even to recruit terrorists.

[JoeyKnothead]

On behalf of so many of my like-minded fellow Americans who value freedom of thought and expression, I 'pologize about that bunch.

I'm curious to know how much of that was inspired by their religion, and how much was inspired by some other notion.

[East of Eden]

You might want to tell the rest of the story. The protesters were objecting to the racist haters speaking at this Muslim event:




Monday, February 14, 2011
Hundreds protest Muslim Brotherhood fundraiser in Southern California
In the heart of California’s uber-conservative country, the Islamic Circle of North America (ICNA) held its second annual fundraiser to raise $150,000 for Muslim families in need.

The 300 ICNA attendees were met by hundreds of protesters waving American flags and chanting “No Sharia Law.�

The controversial fundraiser had many in Orange County on edge as word began to build that the power vacuum left by Egypt’s President Hosni Mubarak will likely be filled by the Muslim Brotherhood, a radical Muslim organization that gave birth to many al Qaeda leaders.

The ruckus crowd surrounded the Yorba Linda Community Center, shouting “go home� to the mostly Muslim attendees. Inside the facility the ICNA Assistant General Secretary, Syed Waqas apologized to his guests for the melee that awaited them as they entered the fundraiser.

“It is unfortunate that this crowd is uneducated as to what we really do.�

However, those in attendance weren’t so concerned about the Muslim faith, but the radical keynote speakers with ties to terrorism.

The ICNA booked Muslim Brotherhood supporter and anti-American radical Islamic speakers, Siraj Wahhaj and Anur-Abel Malik-Ali. Amir-Abdel Malik-Ali is on record saying, “The Israelis were in control of 9-11, which was staged to give an excuse to wage war against Muslims around the world. Stay conscious and ask Allah to raise the Muslims and give us victory over the disbeliever. When it’s all over, the only one standing is going be us [Muslims].�

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The other Imam is said to have ties to the first World Trade Center bombing in 1993. Siraj Wahhaj is directly linked to the Muslim Brotherhood and is nicknamed “American Imam.�

According to the protest organizers Wahhaj was named as an unindicted co-conspirator in 1993 World Trade Center Bombings investigation.

“He believes in converting gang members to Islam for the day America will crumble. Wahhaj says for the faithful to go into the hood and prisons and convert disenfranchised minorities, and then arm and train them to carry out an Uzi jihad in the inner cities. You know what this country (USA) is? It’s a garbage can… He prays it (USA) crumbles and is replaced by Islam,� according to event organizers.

In fact many protesters said they would not be protesting if the alleged radical Imams were not speaking at the fundraiser.

“It really concerns me that I have to defend my community from radical Muslim types,� said Maggie Johnston of Yorba Linda. “I literally live walking distance to the Community Center and can’t believe our City Council is allowing people who want the destruction on our way of life speaking and raising money so freely.�

Other protesters echoed similar sentiments while they waved their American and Israeli flags. However, signs and flags were not the only items brought to the protest, mini horses and dogs decorated in red, white and blue roamed throughout the crowds.

As the protesters were vehemently expressing their disgust with the Muslim fundraiser, event organizers explained it was the protesters ignorance that this group is trying to overcome.

“They are simply uninformed. We are trying to raise money to provide Muslim refugees with food and shelter in these trying economic times,� Waqas said.

While that may be true the protesters were not buying it because the keynote speakers were controversial. Waqas refused to address the controversial Imam speakers, but did go on the record and denounce terrorism and violence. “We are against all terrorism,� Waqas stated.

This did little to quell the demonstrators who argued it was highly unlikely the Imam’s would change their stance on Christian America.

Orange County coordinator for the Tea Party Patriots Marc Harris didn’t buy the ICNA’s motives regarding the fundraiser and provided local officials with background information on the groups' ideology.

These speakers seek “the elimination of the nation of Israel and the death of all Jews. The ICNA’s goal is the Islamization of all societies, especially the U.S., with a primary focus on youth and disenfranchised blacks as well as other ethnicities. There is a strong push now to indoctrinate students with Islam in the public schools,� the lengthy statement read.

Harris contends this Muslim group would like to implement their “dictatorial Sharia Law for all Americans. Sharia law openly teaches: Death by stoning for those caught in adultery, death to those who "dishonor" the family (honor killings) and death to those who refuse to convert to Islam.�

For more stories; http://www.examiner.com/county-politica ... rly-dvorak

© Copyright 2011 Kimberly Dvorak All Rights Reserved.

[WinePusher]

This is probably one of the most disingenuious and ill-informed topics I've ever seen created, and if that wasn't enough it attempts to created false equivalency between the protestors and the Westboro Baptist Church. Did Goat find it important to mention the details of this gathering, whom the spekers were, and what the organizations name and goals were? Of course not, cause it would have harmed the Islamophobic narrative he was trying to advance. See, I actually live very close to Yorba Linda and the local papers around here are pretty objective, so this half informed Topic doesn't pass the basic test of reliability. Here's an article that explains both sides of the story, and here's a wikipedia article on the Islamic Circle of North America and it's speakers. With that having been said, the protestors did behave in a deplorable manner and they should be ashamed of themselves. Trying to draw equivalence between WBC and this is just inssulting, WBC protested at the funerals of dead soldiers and victims, this was a protest at a fundraising meeting of a contreversial Islamic group. See the difference? But this entire thing is strikingly ironic, the left engages in protests of the same manner time and time and time again, yet people like Goat seem to have no need to create threads about them. Threads just seem to be created about right wing protests, and since the facts would undermine the liberals case they have to be left out of the topic. This threads a great example of that.

[Wootah]

You might want to tell the rest of the story.

I doubt it will affect the narrative in their heads. Heavens-to-betsy that some in the West follow world news and know something about history.

It is the same thinking that when ridiculed makes people offended at being ridiculed but they don't challenge their thinking.
But here goes: Person A murdered someone. Person B killed the murderer. Oh my person B is just as bad as person A.

To whit, it is OK to protest for what is good.

Finally what underlies secular and atheist responses to this is cultural supremism. You guys think your values are so superior that they can handle multiculturalism in any form. You think that your way of life is inevitable, that the other just needs time. I just don't think any of you would like to walk down Birmingham in the UK, let alone live in the Middle East.

The difference is that I believe we had to fight to win the freedom we have so why should we expect today and tomorrow to be any different. Submission is easy.

[Goat]

You might want to tell the rest of the story.

I doubt it will affect the narrative in their heads. Heavens-to-betsy that some in the West follow world news and know something about history.

It is the same thinking that when ridiculed makes people offended at being ridiculed but they don't challenge their thinking.
But here goes: Person A murdered someone. Person B killed the murderer. Oh my person B is just as bad as person A.

To whit, it is OK to protest for what is good.

Finally what underlies secular and atheist responses to this is cultural supremism. You guys think your values are so superior that they can handle multiculturalism in any form. You think that your way of life is inevitable, that the other just needs time. I just don't think any of you would like to walk down Birmingham in the UK, let alone live in the Middle East.

The difference is that I believe we had to fight to win the freedom we have so why should we expect today and tomorrow to be any different. Submission is easy.

I don't see how this has anything to do with a bunch of yahoo's doing hate speech protesting a charity benefit. Could you please explain how this is justified?? How is hate speech justified in this situation at all?? Are these people the terrorists you claim?? If so, where is the evidence?

[Wootah]

I don't see how this has anything to do with a bunch of yahoo's doing hate speech protesting a charity benefit. Could you please explain how this is justified?? How is hate speech justified in this situation at all?? Are these people the terrorists you claim?? If so, where is the evidence?

I would but you will have to define 'yahoo's', 'hate speech' show why hate speech is bad as well and show that I claimed that anyone is a terrorist in this thread.

[Goat]

I don't see how this has anything to do with a bunch of yahoo's doing hate speech protesting a charity benefit. Could you please explain how this is justified?? How is hate speech justified in this situation at all?? Are these people the terrorists you claim?? If so, where is the evidence?

I would but you will have to define 'yahoo's', 'hate speech' show why hate speech is bad as well and show that I claimed that anyone is a terrorist in this thread.

Forgive me for the hyperbole, How about.. Are these people the terrorists the speakers you are defending claim?

[Wootah]

Forgive me for the hyperbole, How about.. Are these people the terrorists the speakers you are defending claim?

I would definitely look at where their funds go.