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Finally...
DADT is repealed.
And it was done so via Congress - not via the courts.
And it was done with a Republican dominated House.
It will take a while before the policy goes into action, but at least it's there.
I didn't expect this to ever happen after the results of the November election.
Now the U.S. can join the rest of the world... finally.
Questions for debate:
1.) How do you feel about this?
2.) What effect do you think it will have on our military (will it look like Israel's or any of the other many countries who have equality in their armed forces? Or will it have negative repercussions?).
Obama to sign law ending military gay ban
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My feeling is: About damned time.
Our military will now be MORE effective, with one less issue to distract from the mission and one less reason to lose good soldiers.
Everyone said that integrating the Army was a bad idea, too, but Truman did it anyway -- and now there is ZERO racial prejudice and bias in the military. The entertainment industry did it first, and later sports; we'll probably see the same sequence here. It hasn't been bad to be gay in showbiz for a very long time; and eventually it'll even be OK for jocks. It takes time, but it'll happen.
Our military will now be MORE effective, with one less issue to distract from the mission and one less reason to lose good soldiers.
Everyone said that integrating the Army was a bad idea, too, but Truman did it anyway -- and now there is ZERO racial prejudice and bias in the military. The entertainment industry did it first, and later sports; we'll probably see the same sequence here. It hasn't been bad to be gay in showbiz for a very long time; and eventually it'll even be OK for jocks. It takes time, but it'll happen.
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Re: Obama to sign law ending military gay ban
Post #3Hooray!Darias wrote: 1.) How do you feel about this?
I think in the short term there may be some resistance and potentially negative issues. But social psychology findings would indicate that the longer the policy is in effect, the more accepted it will become. In the long term, I think it will be a very positive change that will allow gay men and women to serve their country openly with pride.Darias wrote: 2.) What effect do you think it will have on our military (will it look like Israel's or any of the other many countries who have equality in their armed forces? Or will it have negative repercussions?).
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Finally!
Now to work on equal rights here on the home front. This time it will happen through the courts, but rest assured, it will happen.
Now to work on equal rights here on the home front. This time it will happen through the courts, but rest assured, it will happen.
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This is a great advancement in the case of homosexual rights. No more obligated closet-hiding.
I think it'll take time for people to adjust. Just like the first black kids admitted into formerly all-white universities were frowned upon and mistreated, the same will probably happen, to some extent, to homosexuals in the army. However, with time it will become an everyday thing to have homosexual fellow soldiers around and it will no longer be a cause for trouble.
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I'm thrilled! So thrilled I started another thread in Current Events because I didn't see this one, lol. Woot for the death of DADT!
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Post #7Happy and encouraged.Darias wrote:.
Finally...
DADT is repealed.
And it was done so via Congress - not via the courts.
And it was done with a Republican dominated House.
It will take a while before the policy goes into action, but at least it's there.
I didn't expect this to ever happen after the results of the November election.
Now the U.S. can join the rest of the world... finally.
Questions for debate:
1.) How do you feel about this?
In the long run, I think the impacts will be positive, both for the military and its personel, and for the wider society. Having equality in the military will make it harder to justify inequality elsewhere.
2.) What effect do you think it will have on our military (will it look like Israel's or any of the other many countries who have equality in their armed forces? Or will it have negative repercussions?).
There may be some people who leave the military because they don't want to serve with people they know are gay. However, I don't think this will be a huge number.
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Post #8Quite honestly, it makes me angry. The majority of the armed forces are Christian and oppose this abominable lifestyle and what we are telling them is that what makes them uncomfortable doesnt matter. In other words, they dont matter. You will see good men and women leaving the armed forces rather than compromise their principles and this is something we dont need during the war on terror.
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Finally...
DADT is repealed.
And it was done so via Congress - not via the courts.
And it was done with a Republican dominated House.
It will take a while before the policy goes into action, but at least it's there.
I didn't expect this to ever happen after the results of the November election.
Now the U.S. can join the rest of the world... finally.
Questions for debate:
1.) How do you feel about this?
2.) What effect do you think it will have on our military (will it look like Israel's or any of the other many countries who have equality in their armed forces? Or will it have negative repercussions?).
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Post #9Im christian and im happy about it.his_word_is_truth wrote:Quite honestly, it makes me angry. The majority of the armed forces are Christian and oppose this abominable lifestyle and what we are telling them is that what makes them uncomfortable doesnt matter. In other words, they dont matter. You will see good men and women leaving the armed forces rather than compromise their principles and this is something we dont need during the war on terror.Darias wrote:.
Finally...
DADT is repealed.
And it was done so via Congress - not via the courts.
And it was done with a Republican dominated House.
It will take a while before the policy goes into action, but at least it's there.
I didn't expect this to ever happen after the results of the November election.
Now the U.S. can join the rest of the world... finally.
Questions for debate:
1.) How do you feel about this?
2.) What effect do you think it will have on our military (will it look like Israel's or any of the other many countries who have equality in their armed forces? Or will it have negative repercussions?).
I dont care if a christian in the army doesnt approve of a gay guy. They both want to fight and serve our country, let them.
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Post #10No. An extensive study of the attitudes of the troops indicated that 70% did not believe that repealing DADT would have any significant effect on them or their mission.his_word_is_truth wrote:Quite honestly, it makes me angry. The majority of the armed forces are Christian and oppose this abominable lifestyle and what we are telling them is that what makes them uncomfortable doesnt matter.
I am far more worried about a soldier who is not committed to the notion of equality of all people than I am about who is sleeping with whom. If this results in a few less armed bigots, I'm ok with that.his_word_is_truth wrote:You will see good men and women leaving the armed forces rather than compromise their principles and this is something we dont need during the war on terror.