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Since Noam Chomsky has been quoted and referenced as a credible authority more than once on this forum, I thought it might be good to give members a glimpse of Chomsky, his views, and his tactics. I have read Chomsky and read about him for some years now, and this is one of the best, fairest, and most accurate analyses of his agenda and his tactics that I’ve ever seen. Chomsky is as disingenuous and slippery a writer as has ever put pen to paper, and the following explains that as briefly and clearly as I think is possible.

Please note that Oliver Kamm, the blogger who is the author of this piece, does NOT call Chomsky an antisemite, and says so explicitly. The original essay to which this refers can be found at the internal link.

(Ad hominem arguments, directed at the SOURCE of this piece, are predictable here, and will be noted as such when they are posted. ACTUAL and PROBATIVE criticism, composed with intellectual honesty and integrity, ought rightly to address the FACTS and QUOTES.)
Oliver Kamm wrote: Chomsky and Antisemitism

There’s no pleasing some people. After my post on Noam Chomsky’s remarks to the Scottish Palestine Solidarity Campaign, his admirers started writing to me indignantly demanding that I explicitly acquit him of antisemitism. Here’s one of them:

I think you should make a note of that either in the current post or one of the future ones. Because there are people out there who consider him an anti-Semite or self-hating Jew and they're going to quote you hinting (in their view) at it.

I do not consider Chomsky an antisemite, but for reasons that will become clear I shall certainly not do what this correspondent believes is my duty. I thought I’d been clear already, but evidently wasn't; let’s try again. Here is what Chomsky said:

You find occasional instances of anti-Semitism but they are marginal. There’s plenty of racism, but it’s directed against Blacks, Latinos, Arabs are targets of enormous racism, and those problems are real. Anti-Semitism is no longer a problem, fortunately. It’s raised, but it’s raised because privileged people want to make sure they have total control, not just 98% control. That’s why anti-Semitism is becoming an issue. Not because of the threat of anti-Semitism; they want to make sure there’s no critical look at the policies the US (and they themselves) support in the Middle East.

Chomsky’s remark is shabby and repellent. It marks the first case I have come across in his writings on the Jews that crosses the line from bombast to bigotry. The plain interpretation of his remark is that the Jews have 98% control of the US and want total domination. Typically, however, Chomsky leaves himself enough wiggle room to be able to claim that no such impure thoughts crossed his mind. He insinuates his message – by talking of “privileged people� instead of Jews – rather than states it unambiguously, but he has already declared, a couple of sentences earlier:

By now Jews in the US are the most privileged and influential part of the population.

It’s an antisemitic remark, all right, if words have meaning and sophistry is not your trade. The extenuating factor for Chomsky, ironically, is that sophistry is his trade. That is the only reason I would be unwilling to infer purely from this episode that the man is an antisemite. My actual conclusion about him is scarcely more elevated, though.

What I believe explains Chomsky’s ‘deniable demagoguery’ is that he is a vacuum where a sense of decency ought to be. I commented earlier in this series that it would be a mistake to see Chomsky’s principal political message as a defence of totalitarian regimes; rather, it is a nihilism concerning democratic values. Whereas someone of civilised and – in the broadest sense - liberal beliefs would acknowledge the inherent imperfection, innumerable errors and many injustices of Western democratic societies, yet at the same time be thankful that the world’s only superpower is a free and humane society that promotes global democracy rather than imperial conquest, Chomsky’s political obsession is to liken the United States to Nazi Germany. (I have cited various instances of this absurd and malevolent charge, and could – and will – quote more.)

If you believe that the US is a totalitarian society and a genocidal force comparable to or worse than Nazi Germany – which, I repeat, is the axiom of Chomsky’s political philosophy – then you will sooner or later be forced to try to reconcile your beliefs with a real world that does not remotely conform to them. In those circumstances, if you are honest then you will revise your view sharply and immediately, and if you are not then you will adopt some obfuscatory stratagem. Chomsky takes the second of those courses (again, I have cited his dishonest use of source material, and will give further examples).

The stratagem Chomsky adopts is to minimise the ugliness of the causes arraigned against the US and Israel. As we have seen, this leads him even to such perverse positions as defending the political legitimacy of the views of the Holocaust denier Robert Faurisson while being fully aware of the pro-Nazi content of those views. Chomsky does not himself deny the historicity of the Holocaust, and is not part of the neo-Nazi campaign that propounds this obviously deranged proposition; but he is an ideological apologist for it, by denying the obvious antisemitic connotations of that campaign.

This sort of behaviour is, I believe, the explanation for Chomsky’s resort to antisemitic imagery in the remarks I have quoted. Chomsky is not an antisemite: he’s a cynic. His campaign of denigration of democratic politics is so extreme and amoral that he will temporise the most disreputable political causes in order to promote his anti-American animus. (If you believe I exaggerate, then try to name a political cause more disreputable than Holocaust denial.)

The Palestine Solidarity Campaign - clearly the parent body, though its Scottish campaign is nominally independent - has “form� in lionising personalities who really are ferociously antisemitic. Last September, its Leicester branch played host to the jazz musician Gilad Atzmon, a bigoted crank who believes the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion accurately describe the state of American society. Those who admire Atzmon and his message (Socialist Worker described Atzmon’s crude Jew-baiting as “fearless tirades against Zionism�) will be receptive to conspiracy theories about Jews.

I suggested in my previous post the possibility, however remote, that Chomsky misspoke when uttering his antisemitic remarks. (I am told that he is not an especially eloquent speaker, though I have never heard him and so cannot judge this point.) That is a measure of my generosity as a commentator on Chomsky’s work, for, while I believe that in the absence of other instances of antisemitic utterances by Chomsky we have to give him benefit of doubt on the question of personal antisemitism, I do not really believe he is that artless. What strikes me as the most likely explanation is that, aware of the political inclinations of those he addressed, he moulded his message accordingly. That is what I find so shocking. The proper course with campaigns that are host to antisemitic sentiments is to condemn and oppose them. That is not Chomsky’s way; instead, he ingratiates.

What a disgrace.
Anyone who uses Chomsky as an "authority" to whom one might appeal should be prepared to defend that choice.
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cnorman18 wrote: Since Noam Chomsky has been quoted and referenced as a credible authority more than once on this forum,
Not usually by me. While apparently Chomsky is a linguist, he has difficulty putting a string of words together in such a way as they make sense to me.
cnorman18 wrote: Chomsky is as disingenuous and slippery a writer as has ever put pen to paper,
Would it not be ad hominem to dismiss him as an authority in his field of expertise (linguistics) because of his disingenuousness?
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McCulloch wrote:
cnorman18 wrote: Since Noam Chomsky has been quoted and referenced as a credible authority more than once on this forum,
Not usually by me. While apparently Chomsky is a linguist, he has difficulty putting a string of words together in such a way as they make sense to me.
cnorman18 wrote: Chomsky is as disingenuous and slippery a writer as has ever put pen to paper,
Would it not be ad hominem to dismiss him as an authority in his field of expertise (linguistics) because of his disingenuousness?
I would happily accept him as an authority in that field, (though he seems to have attracted some criticism from others in it; see here); I don't claim to know enough about linguistics myself to judge him in that area.

I am, of course, speaking of his being cited as an authority on history and politics. I frankly thought that was obvious from the content of my post; it wasn't about linguistics.

I find it especially disheartening that one so skilled in the understanding and use of language would use those skills in the not unrelated field of polemics and propaganda.

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I would expect a similar anti-Semitic attack on another Jew (and Israeli) who speaks the truth to power, Mordechai Vanunu. He is, after all, an ex-con. That is because the Zionist Police State locked him up for revealing that the biggest nuclear threat in the ME is not Iran, but Israel.
Mordechai Vanunu: “Having the atomic bomb is what has allowed Israel to fearlessly carry out its apartheid policy�
by Silvia Cattori*

In 1986, Mordechai Vanunu, an engineer at the Dimona nuclear centre, revealed to the Sunday Timesthe existence of the secret Israeli nuclear program. He was Kidnapped in Italy by the Israeli secret services following his contacts with the British reporters and before the publication of the article with his revelations, he was judged behind doors and jailed for 18 years. Although he is still banned from contacting reporters, Mordechai Vanunu answers Silvia Cattori’s questions in an exclusive interview for Voltaire Network.
http://www.voltairenet.org/article129838.html

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Chomsky, Vanunu, Julian Assange of Wikileaks, Scott Ritter. . . is anyone surprised that the real heroes of this Security-State world are all attacked and accused by Zionists as well as NeoCons and their apologists?

The question is rhetorical and does not seek to label any of my worthy opponents on the other side of the aisle. 8-)
Attacks on Chomsky are depressingly common and similar. Some time ago, Brian Leiter wrote:
There's plenty to quarrel with Chomsky about (though at least he's worth quarreling with!). One could reasonably say, "I think Chomsky is wrong about X," or "The evidence really doesn't support Chomsky's claim about Y," and so on. But DeLong, and other Chomsky haters, aren't content with engaging Chomsky in argument: they have to establish that he is beyond the pale, that he is intellectually corrupt and dishonest, that it is no longer necessary to take him seriously.
I don't know that I see "plenty to quarrel with Chomsky about"--I suppose it depends on how you define the word "plenty"--but Leiter is quite right. This is because, I think, his work directly challenges these people--intellectuals and the media and Liberals--and they find themselves unable to address it substantively, so they tend to ignore it and/or smear him. That intellectuals by and large are in the service of the state is a basic truism for Chomsky, not terribly surprising. Liberals like to hold on to the idea that America is good and means well and that its power could be used benignly, calling for this or that "humanitarian intervention", choosing to ignore extensive American culpability in those very regions ripe for intervention. And much of Chomsky's work, especially his work with Herman, focuses specifically on how the media reports on American policy and the ideological framework in which the media operates. And they explicitly use their propaganda model in the course of these studies. This is clearly not a legitimate area of inquiry. "t is simply assumed that discussing the press is nothing more than cynical cover for some ulterior motive", as Josh Buermann wrote in the above-linked Flagrancy to Reason piece. Exactly so.

For a general clearinghouse of all kinds of complaints about Chomsky and how and why they do not hold up to scrutiny, please see this other, also excellent Flagrancy to Reason piece.

http://yolacrary.blogspot.com/2006/12/o ... omsky.html


Who is Richard Crary? Just a Blogger, as far as I know. But if you peruse AIPAC False FAX you would probably find out that he sneezed without covering his mouth or that he attended an ISM :yikes: meeting. Yes, those terrorists such as Rachel Corrie who have obstructed Aparthied progress by putting their lives in the way of IDF bulldozers and bullets.
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DeBunkem wrote:I would expect a similar anti-Semitic attack on another Jew (and Israeli) who speaks the truth to power, Mordechai Vanunu. He is, after all, an ex-con. That is because the Zionist Police State locked him up for revealing that the biggest nuclear threat in the ME is not Iran, but Israel.
Mordechai Vanunu: “Having the atomic bomb is what has allowed Israel to fearlessly carry out its apartheid policy�
by Silvia Cattori*

In 1986, Mordechai Vanunu, an engineer at the Dimona nuclear centre, revealed to the Sunday Timesthe existence of the secret Israeli nuclear program. He was Kidnapped in Italy by the Israeli secret services following his contacts with the British reporters and before the publication of the article with his revelations, he was judged behind doors and jailed for 18 years. Although he is still banned from contacting reporters, Mordechai Vanunu answers Silvia Cattori’s questions in an exclusive interview for Voltaire Network.
http://www.voltairenet.org/article129838.html

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Chomsky, Vanunu, Julian Assange of Wikileaks, Scott Ritter. . . is anyone surprised that the real heroes of this Security-State world are all attacked and accused by Zionists as well as NeoCons and their apologists?

The question is rhetorical and does not seek to label any of my worthy opponents on the other side of the aisle. 8-)
Attacks on Chomsky are depressingly common and similar. Some time ago, Brian Leiter wrote:
There's plenty to quarrel with Chomsky about (though at least he's worth quarreling with!). One could reasonably say, "I think Chomsky is wrong about X," or "The evidence really doesn't support Chomsky's claim about Y," and so on. But DeLong, and other Chomsky haters, aren't content with engaging Chomsky in argument: they have to establish that he is beyond the pale, that he is intellectually corrupt and dishonest, that it is no longer necessary to take him seriously.
I don't know that I see "plenty to quarrel with Chomsky about"--I suppose it depends on how you define the word "plenty"--but Leiter is quite right. This is because, I think, his work directly challenges these people--intellectuals and the media and Liberals--and they find themselves unable to address it substantively, so they tend to ignore it and/or smear him. That intellectuals by and large are in the service of the state is a basic truism for Chomsky, not terribly surprising. Liberals like to hold on to the idea that America is good and means well and that its power could be used benignly, calling for this or that "humanitarian intervention", choosing to ignore extensive American culpability in those very regions ripe for intervention. And much of Chomsky's work, especially his work with Herman, focuses specifically on how the media reports on American policy and the ideological framework in which the media operates. And they explicitly use their propaganda model in the course of these studies. This is clearly not a legitimate area of inquiry. "t is simply assumed that discussing the press is nothing more than cynical cover for some ulterior motive", as Josh Buermann wrote in the above-linked Flagrancy to Reason piece. Exactly so.

For a general clearinghouse of all kinds of complaints about Chomsky and how and why they do not hold up to scrutiny, please see this other, also excellent Flagrancy to Reason piece.

http://yolacrary.blogspot.com/2006/12/o ... omsky.html


Who is Richard Crary? Just a Blogger, as far as I know. But if you peruse AIPAC False FAX you would probably find out that he sneezed without covering his mouth or that he attended an ISM :yikes: meeting. Yes, those terrorists such as Rachel Corrie who have obstructed Aparthied progress by putting their lives in the way of IDF bulldozers and bullets.


Interesting stuff, but of course none of it has anything whatever to do with the criticisms of Chomsky's agenda and tactics that I posted. Nothing here that actually and substantively responds to any of the issues raised in my post; just an extended ad hominem that impugns my motives, puts words in my mouth on topics I never mentioned, and nothing more.

Further, it characterizes my post as an "anti-Semitic attack." That's remarkably disingenuous, since my post BEGINS with a note that the blogger quoted there "does NOT call Chomsky an antisemite, and says so explicitly," and he goes on to explain why at some length. One might rightly call that characterization a "smear," I think.

I don't suppose the usual Kryptonite paragraph is pertinent here, so I'll not bother with it.

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Duly noted that the author does not call Chomsky an anti-Semite, but uses word association in the very title..more subtle but a smear nonetheless.

Your "kryptonite" paragraph is in another thread and off-topic. Since I am not Superman, I see no problem in tossing it back through the AIPAC window from which it flew.

In addition to Chomsky and Vanunu as Jews/Israelis and others who are politically incorrect to AIPAC, I forgot to mention Norman Finkelstein:

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DeBunkem wrote:Duly noted that the author does not call Chomsky an anti-Semite, but uses word association in the very title..more subtle but a smear nonetheless.
Baloney. Anyone who troubles to actually read the post knows better.
Your "kryptonite" paragraph is in another thread and off-topic. Since I am not Superman, I see no problem in tossing it back through the AIPAC window from which it flew.
Congratulations! You've finally acknowledged that it exists. Now if you could only do that on the threads where it DOES appear... Over and over and over again without the least breath of acknowledgment or response...
In addition to Chomsky and Vanunu as Jews/Israelis and others who are politically incorrect to AIPAC, I forgot to mention Norman Finkelstein:
Who?

What did I say about him, and where -- in this thread or any other?

More red herrings and smoke-blowing -- and conspicuously, still not a single word about the actual arguments posted here on the subject of Chomsky's agenda and tactics, just as in your last attempt. Not one; only a disingenuous "justification" of your phony and personally offensive charge of "anti-Semitism." Another content-free post; nothing but ad hominem and propaganda.

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See you next time. Bring an argument.

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cnorman18 wrote:Since Noam Chomsky has been quoted and referenced as a credible authority more than once on this forum, I thought it might be good to give members a glimpse of Chomsky, his views, and his tactics. I have read Chomsky and read about him for some years now, and this is one of the best, fairest, and most accurate analyses of his agenda and his tactics that I’ve ever seen. Chomsky is as disingenuous and slippery a writer as has ever put pen to paper, and the following explains that as briefly and clearly as I think is possible.

Please note that Oliver Kamm, the blogger who is the author of this piece, does NOT call Chomsky an antisemite, and says so explicitly. The original essay to which this refers can be found at the internal link.

(Ad hominem arguments, directed at the SOURCE of this piece, are predictable here, and will be noted as such when they are posted. ACTUAL and PROBATIVE criticism, composed with intellectual honesty and integrity, ought rightly to address the FACTS and QUOTES.)
Oliver Kamm wrote: Chomsky and Antisemitism

There’s no pleasing some people. After my post on Noam Chomsky’s remarks to the Scottish Palestine Solidarity Campaign, his admirers started writing to me indignantly demanding that I explicitly acquit him of antisemitism. Here’s one of them:

I think you should make a note of that either in the current post or one of the future ones. Because there are people out there who consider him an anti-Semite or self-hating Jew and they're going to quote you hinting (in their view) at it.

I do not consider Chomsky an antisemite, but for reasons that will become clear I shall certainly not do what this correspondent believes is my duty. I thought I’d been clear already, but evidently wasn't; let’s try again. Here is what Chomsky said:

You find occasional instances of anti-Semitism but they are marginal. There’s plenty of racism, but it’s directed against Blacks, Latinos, Arabs are targets of enormous racism, and those problems are real. Anti-Semitism is no longer a problem, fortunately. It’s raised, but it’s raised because privileged people want to make sure they have total control, not just 98% control. That’s why anti-Semitism is becoming an issue. Not because of the threat of anti-Semitism; they want to make sure there’s no critical look at the policies the US (and they themselves) support in the Middle East.

Chomsky’s remark is shabby and repellent. It marks the first case I have come across in his writings on the Jews that crosses the line from bombast to bigotry. The plain interpretation of his remark is that the Jews have 98% control of the US and want total domination. Typically, however, Chomsky leaves himself enough wiggle room to be able to claim that no such impure thoughts crossed his mind. He insinuates his message – by talking of “privileged people� instead of Jews – rather than states it unambiguously, but he has already declared, a couple of sentences earlier:

By now Jews in the US are the most privileged and influential part of the population.

It’s an antisemitic remark, all right, if words have meaning and sophistry is not your trade. The extenuating factor for Chomsky, ironically, is that sophistry is his trade. That is the only reason I would be unwilling to infer purely from this episode that the man is an antisemite. My actual conclusion about him is scarcely more elevated, though.

What I believe explains Chomsky’s ‘deniable demagoguery’ is that he is a vacuum where a sense of decency ought to be. I commented earlier in this series that it would be a mistake to see Chomsky’s principal political message as a defence of totalitarian regimes; rather, it is a nihilism concerning democratic values. Whereas someone of civilised and – in the broadest sense - liberal beliefs would acknowledge the inherent imperfection, innumerable errors and many injustices of Western democratic societies, yet at the same time be thankful that the world’s only superpower is a free and humane society that promotes global democracy rather than imperial conquest, Chomsky’s political obsession is to liken the United States to Nazi Germany. (I have cited various instances of this absurd and malevolent charge, and could – and will – quote more.)

If you believe that the US is a totalitarian society and a genocidal force comparable to or worse than Nazi Germany – which, I repeat, is the axiom of Chomsky’s political philosophy – then you will sooner or later be forced to try to reconcile your beliefs with a real world that does not remotely conform to them. In those circumstances, if you are honest then you will revise your view sharply and immediately, and if you are not then you will adopt some obfuscatory stratagem. Chomsky takes the second of those courses (again, I have cited his dishonest use of source material, and will give further examples).

The stratagem Chomsky adopts is to minimise the ugliness of the causes arraigned against the US and Israel. As we have seen, this leads him even to such perverse positions as defending the political legitimacy of the views of the Holocaust denier Robert Faurisson while being fully aware of the pro-Nazi content of those views. Chomsky does not himself deny the historicity of the Holocaust, and is not part of the neo-Nazi campaign that propounds this obviously deranged proposition; but he is an ideological apologist for it, by denying the obvious antisemitic connotations of that campaign.

This sort of behaviour is, I believe, the explanation for Chomsky’s resort to antisemitic imagery in the remarks I have quoted. Chomsky is not an antisemite: he’s a cynic. His campaign of denigration of democratic politics is so extreme and amoral that he will temporise the most disreputable political causes in order to promote his anti-American animus. (If you believe I exaggerate, then try to name a political cause more disreputable than Holocaust denial.)

The Palestine Solidarity Campaign - clearly the parent body, though its Scottish campaign is nominally independent - has “form� in lionising personalities who really are ferociously antisemitic. Last September, its Leicester branch played host to the jazz musician Gilad Atzmon, a bigoted crank who believes the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion accurately describe the state of American society. Those who admire Atzmon and his message (Socialist Worker described Atzmon’s crude Jew-baiting as “fearless tirades against Zionism�) will be receptive to conspiracy theories about Jews.

I suggested in my previous post the possibility, however remote, that Chomsky misspoke when uttering his antisemitic remarks. (I am told that he is not an especially eloquent speaker, though I have never heard him and so cannot judge this point.) That is a measure of my generosity as a commentator on Chomsky’s work, for, while I believe that in the absence of other instances of antisemitic utterances by Chomsky we have to give him benefit of doubt on the question of personal antisemitism, I do not really believe he is that artless. What strikes me as the most likely explanation is that, aware of the political inclinations of those he addressed, he moulded his message accordingly. That is what I find so shocking. The proper course with campaigns that are host to antisemitic sentiments is to condemn and oppose them. That is not Chomsky’s way; instead, he ingratiates.

What a disgrace.
Anyone who uses Chomsky as an "authority" to whom one might appeal should be prepared to defend that choice.
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If you get a pass on Forum Rule 3, I hope you will allow me a pass Rule 9 so that I may submit this video. I think you may appreciate the first half a minute or so.
INsane and hilarious. I love it, of course. Thanks!

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cnorman18 wrote:
ChaosBorders wrote:
If you get a pass on Forum Rule 3, I hope you will allow me a pass Rule 9 so that I may submit this video. I think you may appreciate the first half a minute or so.
INsane and hilarious. I love it, of course. Thanks!
You are welcome. I am tempted to try and randomly work in links to his videos on any thread where the content even remotely touches upon the material in the thread. Already managed to on the What's wrong with this? thread. We'll see if this idea still seems like a good one after I have gotten some sleep and haven't been up 36 hours straight.

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