Divorce and Remarriage

[scottlittlefield17]

In Matthew Jesus says that whoever divorces and marries another they commit adultery. Most Christians do not take that for what it says. What arguments do you have to prove your point? It is pretty serious because the Bible says that adulterers do not inherit the kingdom of heaven. And I would respectfully ask Benoni not to post his views on the law and how we don't need to obey. If he would like to debate that I have challenged him to a H2H. Of course it is his prerogative if he respects my wishes in this thread or not.

[Amos]

"And I say to you, whoever divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another, commits adultery; and whoever marries her who is divorced commits adultery."

You left out the one exception in Matthew 19. There is one legitimate reason to divorce your spouse which allows you to lawfully remarry.

The clear import of the passage is that there are lots and lots of adulterous marriages these days.

[scottlittlefield17]

"And I say to you, whoever divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another, commits adultery; and whoever marries her who is divorced commits adultery."

You left out the one exception in Matthew 19. There is one legitimate reason to divorce your spouse which allows you to lawfully remarry.

The clear import of the passage is that there are lots and lots of adulterous marriages these days.

That word is best translated fornication and it refers to the engagement period that the Jews had. Matthew was written to the Jews and so they would understand that. Mark and Luke were not and notice he does not include that part. Even if it was referring to marriage as we know it how do you get that remarriage is acceptable?

[Amos]

"And I say to you, whoever divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another, commits adultery; and whoever marries her who is divorced commits adultery."

You left out the one exception in Matthew 19. There is one legitimate reason to divorce your spouse which allows you to lawfully remarry.

The clear import of the passage is that there are lots and lots of adulterous marriages these days.

That word is best translated fornication and it refers to the engagement period that the Jews had. Matthew was written to the Jews and so they would understand that. Mark and Luke were not and notice he does not include that part. Even if it was referring to marriage as we know it how do you get that remarriage is acceptable?

Where do you get that this only applies to the engagement period? The context doesn't appear to limit this to the engagement period.

I get that remarriage is ok because that's what the passage says. If you divorce your wife, except for fornication, and marry another, you commit adultery. What do you think the passage says? If you divorce your wife for fornication and marry another, you commit adultery?

[ChaosBorders]

"And I say to you, whoever divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another, commits adultery; and whoever marries her who is divorced commits adultery."

You left out the one exception in Matthew 19. There is one legitimate reason to divorce your spouse which allows you to lawfully remarry.

The clear import of the passage is that there are lots and lots of adulterous marriages these days.

That word is best translated fornication and it refers to the engagement period that the Jews had. Matthew was written to the Jews and so they would understand that. Mark and Luke were not and notice he does not include that part. Even if it was referring to marriage as we know it how do you get that remarriage is acceptable?

Where do you get that this only applies to the engagement period? The context doesn't appear to limit this to the engagement period.

I get that remarriage is ok because that's what the passage says. If you divorce your wife, except for fornication, and marry another, you commit adultery. What do you think the passage says? If you divorce your wife for fornication and marry another, you commit adultery?

He's using historical context to derive the conclusion that it refers to the engagement period. Personally, I would like him to cite his sources on this claim because I have never heard it before. But if taken as accurate, they would effectively not be married in the first place, so would not be getting 'remarried' if the engagement were broken off. As such, all actual remarriage would be considered adultery.

[scottlittlefield17]

If you divorce your wife, except for fornication, and marry another, you commit adultery.

Exactly, you don't commit adultery if you remarry after breaking an engagement. But Paul makes it clear that after marrying a person any marriage to another before death is considered adultery. Also the Mark and Luke accounts agree.

He's using historical context to derive the conclusion that it refers to the engagement period. Personally, I would like him to cite his sources on this claim because I have never heard it before. But if taken as accurate, they would effectively not be married in the first place, so would not be getting 'remarried' if the engagement were broken off. As such, all actual remarriage would be considered adultery.

http://www.desiringgod.org/ResourceLibr ... ion_Paper/ http://www.desiringgod.org/ResourceLibr ... _Adultery/
Mary and Joseph were pledged to be married yet Joseph contemplated divorcing her. Also in the OT it talks about if woman is pledged to be married and gets raped the man gets stoned for violating another mans WIFE.

[ChaosBorders]

If you divorce your wife, except for fornication, and marry another, you commit adultery.

Exactly, you don't commit adultery if you remarry after breaking an engagement. But Paul makes it clear that after marrying a person any marriage to another before death is considered adultery. Also the Mark and Luke accounts agree.

He's using historical context to derive the conclusion that it refers to the engagement period. Personally, I would like him to cite his sources on this claim because I have never heard it before. But if taken as accurate, they would effectively not be married in the first place, so would not be getting 'remarried' if the engagement were broken off. As such, all actual remarriage would be considered adultery.

http://www.desiringgod.org/ResourceLibr ... ion_Paper/ http://www.desiringgod.org/ResourceLibr ... _Adultery/
Mary and Joseph were pledged to be married yet Joseph contemplated divorcing her. Also in the OT it talks about if woman is pledged to be married and gets raped the man gets stoned for violating another mans WIFE.

He makes a decent, though not airtight, case. Fortunately, the odds of it ever effecting me personally are remote. Guess the other folks are just going to have to pray their cheating spouse falls off a cliff so they can marry someone better.

[Amos]

If you divorce your wife, except for fornication, and marry another, you commit adultery.

Exactly, you don't commit adultery if you remarry after breaking an engagement. But Paul makes it clear that after marrying a person any marriage to another before death is considered adultery. Also the Mark and Luke accounts agree.

He's using historical context to derive the conclusion that it refers to the engagement period. Personally, I would like him to cite his sources on this claim because I have never heard it before. But if taken as accurate, they would effectively not be married in the first place, so would not be getting 'remarried' if the engagement were broken off. As such, all actual remarriage would be considered adultery.

http://www.desiringgod.org/ResourceLibr ... ion_Paper/ http://www.desiringgod.org/ResourceLibr ... _Adultery/
Mary and Joseph were pledged to be married yet Joseph contemplated divorcing her. Also in the OT it talks about if woman is pledged to be married and gets raped the man gets stoned for violating another mans WIFE.

Moses said to give her a certificate of divorce and put her out of your house in Deuteronomy 24:1-4, which is what the Pharisees were asking about in Matthew 19. Did they shack up with their betrothed under the Law of Moses?

Barnes, Calvin, Poole, Gill, and Zerr, in their commentaries on Matthew 19:9, don't agree with your position. I did notice The Pulpit Commentary, which is Catholic I believe, agrees with you.

[Slopeshoulder]

I don't look to the Bible for law, or obsess about verses.
Rather, I look for themes. This is IMO a more useful and sophisticated approach to exegesis.
And I conclude, with many others, that in our day and age relationships/marriages can end. I'd make divorce a sacrament.
Otherwise I'd be guilty of a whole lot of fornication and adultery by 1st century definitions.
Thankfully, we don't live in the first century and earlier.
Religion is a living tradition, not an ossified museum piece.

[Benoni]

In Matthew Jesus says that whoever divorces and marries another they commit adultery. Most Christians do not take that for what it says. What arguments do you have to prove your point? It is pretty serious because the Bible says that adulterers do not inherit the kingdom of heaven. And I would respectfully ask Benoni not to post his views on the law and how we don't need to obey. If he would like to debate that I have challenged him to a H2H. Of course it is his prerogative if he respects my wishes in this thread or not.

This is so typical of the religous mind set; they do not want to hear it.



By the way the kingdom of God/heaven is already here. It is within us.