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What day was the Crucifixion of Christ?

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With the Christian world spiraling into a perpetual state of docternal confusion they are beginning to fail at producing solid evidence that Christ fulfilled the 3 days and 3 nights prophecy. Some claim Wednesday for a crucifixion, some thursday and the traditional majority Friday. All theories are built on the bible and equally credible depeding on what defines your perception.

Why does the bible in it's current state of Preservation not illustrate the fulfillment of the 4 day prophecy in Exodus 12. In exodus 12 the Lamb (Christ) was to be chosen by the people on the tenth day of the first month. On the 14th day Christ (the Lamb) was to be killed. The only event that fits this symbolism of the Lamb being chosen by the people is the triumphal entry, yet the bible does not illustrate this being fulfilled since the annointing At bethany according to John places the triumphal entry on the 9th Day of the first month. Both Matt and Mark place the annointing Event 2 days before Passover (12 Nissan) and if the triumphal entry happend the next day (13 Nissan), you still do not have the Lamb being chosen by the people on the 10th day per the Law of Moses which Christ claimed to have fulfilled.

There is a non cannonized Gospel that was found in 1877 in a monastery in Tibet which illustrates exodus 12 in fulfilment. By illustrating exodus 12's fulfillment 3 days and 3 nights can now be seen with verifiable ancient testimony. Why does the bible have Errors and half truths when people today claim it is infallible? By making false statements are they in spirit and in truth? Can they not hear God's voice which does tell truth and the full truth?

Here is a link that I have built which causes me to ask questions and provide the information which provokes the questions. Can you find any page of testimony presented that are not telling the truth based on what is presented?

By page 36, do you belive the information presented illustrates accurately enough why the Christian world is divided and in a state of denominational confusion?

The sign of jonah is here and it's much bigger than 3 days and 3 nights!

http://www.thedeathandresurection.com/p ... ection.pdf

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I added a new page to the time line since i posted the link. Be sure to click the refresh button. Someone tried to sell me the thursday crucifixion so I posted on page 7 why this thursday crucifixion just is not a possiblity.

The time line is the most objective time line to date giving each year and day of the week in question by theologens an equal opportunity in correlation to the week cycle and lunar cycle (God's calendar), Mosaic laws and testimony of jesus to see what the truth of the matter really is.

Looks like Christ is the Messiah.. looks like the Christian world is of the spirit of anti-christ for being in the darkness of traditions and really no one living today really know's Christ or they would hear his voice instead of reading obout others who in the past heard his voice.

God Bless

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Is anybody interested in this topic??? This is the study to put an end to the debate. I thought this information would be well received?

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I have made a few page number corrections since I added in page 7 to the time line. Pg 37 is now the page that illustrates that the entire Christian world is of the spirit of Ant-christ.

for latest updates to the time line be sure to hit the re-fresh button when you open it to update your internet cookies. This will allow for the most recent updates to be presented. This study is still a work in progress and you have a chance to have input into the study if you find an objective truth not yet listed or presented by this time line.

God Bless

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Comming to the website soon. More supporting evidence that illustrates Joseph had to play a Role in the conception of Christ according to Prophecy.

Matthew 18:16
But if he will not hear, take with you one or two more, that ‘by the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.’

1 Timothy 5:19
Do not receive an accusation against an elder except from two or three witnesses.

Same bible verse from two different bible versions; Single point in earths history. different story!

Matthew 13:55 NIV
"Isn't this the carpenter's son? Isn't his mother's name Mary, and aren't his brothers James, Joseph, Simon and Judas?
below we see Josephs name left out and you find it in a foot note. What is clear is that this verse is referring to Jesus as the Son of the carpenter (Joseph).

Matthew 13:55 (New King James Version)
55 Is this not the carpenter’s son? Is not His mother called Mary? And His brothers James, Joses,[a] Simon, and Judas?

In the next two verses for the same point in earths history as the prior two verses, we will see that the name Joseph is removed from the second verse but now Jesus is referred to as the Carpenter instead of the Carpenters Son. These two verses are for the same point in Earths history as the prior two verses we examined and if inspired by the holy spirit would not make false Claims about Jesus being a carpenter nor would they differ this greatly to make a false claim regarding new found wisdom which is not shared by the other verses. Christ was a physician and we will present multiple witnesses for this truth.

Mark 6:3 NIV
"Where did this man get these things?" they asked. "What's this wisdom that has been given him, that he even does miracles! Isn't this the carpenter? Isn't this Mary's son and the brother of James, Joseph, Judas and Simon? Aren't his sisters here with us?" And they took offense at him.

Jesus is referred to as the carpenter instead of being referred to as the Carpenters Son. More importantly the entire text in Red above is not in the NKJV below or the other two verses above for the same point in Earths history. The NIV implies strongly that Christ has recently acquired wisdom that he did not have while growing up around those who knew him. All four of these verses are from the same point in earths history yet differ greatly in what is presented when comparing the bible versions against the gospel authors who clearly authored confusion for this point in history.

Mark 6:3 (New King James Version)
3 Is this not the carpenter, the Son of Mary, and brother of James, Joses, Judas, and Simon? And are not His sisters here with us?� So they were offended at Him.

Did Jesus ever claim to be a carpenter? I found the Physician job title repeated many times by Christ and depending on the bible version you will find that many called him Rabbi, yet not one time did Jesus claim to be a carpenter. The Mark 6:3 verse is the only bible verse which claims Christ was a carpenter.

Luke 4:23
He said to them, “You will surely say this proverb to Me, ‘Physician, heal yourself! Whatever we have heard done in Capernaum, do also here in Your country.’�

Matthew 9:12
When Jesus heard that, He said to them, “Those who are well have no need of a physician, but those who are sick.

Mark 2:17
When Jesus heard it, He said to them, “Those who are well have no need of a physician, but those who are sick. I did not come to call the righteous, but sinners, to repentance.�

Luke 5:31
Jesus answered and said to them, “Those who are well have no need of a physician, but those who are sick.

The only bible verse to actually refer to Christ as a carpenter is Mark 6:3 which seems to be trying to Hide that Christ was really the Son of the Carpenter (Joseph). One verse is not what Christ promises to establish truth. Is the bible telling a lie and causing men to bare false witness by trying to imply that Jesus was a carpenter?

Luke 4:21-23 (New International Version)
21and he began by saying to them, "Today this scripture is fulfilled in your hearing." 22All spoke well of him and were amazed at the gracious words that came from his lips. "Isn't this Joseph's son?" they asked.

John 1:45
Philip found Nathanael and told him, "We have found the one Moses wrote about in the Law, and about whom the prophets also wrote—Jesus of Nazareth, the son of Joseph."

John 6:42
They said, "Is this not Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? How can he now say, 'I came down from heaven'?"

Christ promised us at least two witnesses to establish truth. Why then is Matt chapter one proclaiming Mary to remain a Virgin after conception and implying that Christ was not the son of Joseph when we see so many verses that state clearly that Joseph was the Father of Christ? If Joseph was not the Father of Jesus then the Christ did not come according to the flesh according to Matt chapter one. Not a single verse refers to Joseph as a step Father. When cross referencing the ever changing versions of the bible we see Joseph being eliminated or hidden.

What is the bible trying to hide from you by telling the lie that is presented in Matthew chapter one? Is it causing you to bare false witness? How many will speculate that Christ was a carpenter and a physician in order to justify a lie?

Christ never claimed to be a carpenter, but he did claim to be a physician and gave multiple witnesses for truth. Prophecy says Christ came according to the flesh and the bible in more than one location says he was the son of Joseph and from the line of David. Matthew Chapter one does not give multiple witnesses for truth and if you apply the application of the Isaiah 7 prophecy as your second witness you will always have contention with the Jews who own the language calling you a liar because the word Almah in Isaiah does not mean Virgin.

More witnesses for Joseph as Jesus' Father.

John 7:42
has not the Scripture said that the Christ comes from the seed of David and from the town of Bethlehem, where David was?�

Acts 2:29-30
29Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulcher is with us unto this day.
30Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;

Romans 1:3
concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;

Romans 1
3regarding his Son, who as to his human nature was a descendant of David, and who through the Spirit of holiness was declared with power to be the Son of God by his resurrection from the dead (Baptism of water and spirit fulfillment of Psalms 2:7) This declaration was made when he Rose from the Water, Not from the Tomb

2 Timothy 2:8
Remember Jesus Christ, raised from the dead, descended from David. This is my gospel,

1 John 4:2
By this you know the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is of God,

1 John 4:3
and every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God. And this is the spirit of the Antichrist, which you have heard was coming, and is now already in the world.

2 John 1:7(Beware of Antichrist Deceivers for many deceivers have gone out into the world who do not confess Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist. (Anti-Christ testimony found in Matt chapter 1)

Very specific builders were in mind for building the house of David and it's for this reason that Joseph had to play a physical role in the conception of Christ.

2 Samuel 5:11
Then Hiram king of Tyre sent messengers to David, and cedar trees, and carpenters and masons. And they built David a house.

2 Kings 12:11
Then they gave the money, which had been apportioned, into the hands of those who did the work, who had the oversight of the house of the LORD; and they paid it out to the carpenters and builders, who worked on the house of the LORD,

2 Kings 22:6
to carpenters and builders and masons—and to buy timber and hewn stone to repair the house.

1 Chronicles 14:1
[ David Established at Jerusalem ] Now Hiram king of Tyre sent messengers to David, and cedar trees, with masons and carpenters, to build him a house.

2 Chronicles 24:12
The king and Jehoiada gave it to those who did the work of the service of the house of the LORD; and they hired masons and carpenters to repair the house of the LORD, and also those who worked in iron and bronze to restore the house of the LORD.

Jesus referred to the human body as the temple of the Holy Spirit. Did God use the same builders when He made Jesus according to the Flesh?

Text is color coded to reflect testimony still contained in Luke and Matthew. This is one continuous chapter telling the full truth where the bible gives two half truth illustrating Christ not coming according to the flesh.

AND in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God, unto a city of Galilee, named Nazareth, to a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin's name was Mary. 2. Now Joseph was a just and rational Mind, and he was skilled in all manner of work in wood and in stone. And Mary was a tender and discerning Soul, and she wrought veils for the temple. And they were both pure before God; and of them both was Jesu-Maria who is called the Christ. 3. And the angel came in unto her and said, Hail, Mary, thou that art highly favored, for the Mother of God is with thee: blessed art thou among women and blessed be the fruit of thy womb. 4. And when she saw him, she was troubled at his saying, and cast in her mind what manner of salutation this should be. And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary, for thou hast found favor with God and, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb and bring forth a child, and He shall be great and shalt be called a Son of the Highest. 5. And the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: and he shall reign over the house of Jacob forever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end. 6. Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man? And the angel answered and said unto her The Holy Spirit shall come upon Joseph thy Spouse, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee, O Mary, therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Christ, the Child of God, and his Name on earth shalt be called Jesu-Maria, for he shall save the people from their sins, whosoever shall repent and obey his Law. 7. Therefore ye shall eat no flesh, nor drink strong drink, for the child shall be consecrated unto God from its mother's womb, and neither flesh nor strong drink shall he take, nor shall razor touch his head. 8. And, behold, thy cousin Elisabeth, she hath also conceived a son in her old age: and this is the sixth month with her, who was called barren. For with God no thing shall be impossible. And Mary said, Behold the handmaid of the Lord; be it unto me according to thy word. And the angel departed from her. 9. And in the same day the angel Gabriel appeared unto Joseph in a dream and said unto him, Hail, Joseph, thou that art highly favored, for the Fatherhood of God is with thee. Blessed art thou among men and blessed be the fruit of thy loins. 10. And as Joseph thought upon these words he was troubled, and the angel of the Lord said unto him, Fear not, Joseph, thou Son of David, for thou hast found favor with God, and behold thou shalt beget a child, and thou shalt call his name Jesu-Maria for he shall save his people from their sins. 11. Now all this was done that it might be fulfilled which was written in the prophets saying, Behold a Maiden shall conceive and be with child and shall bring forth a son, and shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God Within Us. 12. Then Joseph being raised from sleep did as the angel had bidden him, and went in unto Mary, his espoused bride, and she conceived in her womb the Holy One.

With Joseph being both a carpenter and a Mason we can now see why the Apostles were so excided to hear that Jesus was the son of Joseph since they knew Joseph to also be of the blood line of David. It was just one of the many prophetic ways for them to know in their day that Jesus was the prophesied Messiah.

The G-12 text chapter you have just read offers a complete story for the conception according to the flesh where Matthew and Luke offer two half truth illustrating Christ not coming according to the flesh. Matt and Luke do not Illustrate Messiah prophecy fulfillment, instead offer controversy and prophecy fulfillment for identifying the Spirit of Anti-Christ. Most of all Matt one does not have multiple witnesses for truth when it says Joseph did not touch Mary for Mary to conceive the child.

Multiple witnesses testify of Joseph as the Father of Jesus. From the blood line of David, according to the flesh and the builder of the House for God was a mason and a carpenter.

Work as a "carpenter"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_Jesus
View of Nazareth
Jesus is identified in Mark as a τεκτων (tekton) (Mark 6:3) and in Matthew as the son of a tekton (Matthew 13:55). Like most people at the time, he presumably was trained by his parent in the family trade. Tekton has been traditionally translated into English as "carpenter", but is a rather general word (from the same root that gives us "technical" and "technology") that at the time could cover makers of objects in various materials, and builders.[38] The specific association with woodworking is a constant in Early Christian tradition; Justin Martyr (d. ca. 165) wrote that Jesus made yokes and ploughs, and there are similar early references.[39] Crossan puts tekton into a historical context more resembling an itinerant worker than an established artisan, emphasizing his marginality in a population in which a peasant who owns land could become quite prosperous.[40] However, other scholars have argued that tekton could equally mean a highly-skilled craftsman in wood or the more prestigious metal, perhaps running a workshop with several employees, and noted sources recording the shortage of skilled artisans at the time.[41]

Scholars, following S.J. Case, have noted that Nazareth is only about 6 kilometers from the city of Tzippori (ancient "Sepphoris"), which was destroyed by the Romans in 4BC, and thereafter was expensively rebuilt. It has been speculated that Joseph and Jesus might have travelled daily to work on the rebuilding. Specifically the large theatre in the city has been suggested, although this has aroused much controversy over dating and other issues. [42] Other scholars see Joseph and Jesus as the general village craftsmen, working in wood, stone and metal on a wide variety of jobs.

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