were did the doctrine of the trinity REALLY come form?

[peter d roman]

it did NOT come from Our Christ-

it did NOT come from peter the rock-

were did it come form and what is it going to take for "triaterains " to see this most grave ERROR and REPENT!?!

peace and good and tons o'love

>o

[Ankhhape]

It comes from Theophilus (Greek) and has nothing to do with the Christian concept.
100 years later it is made concrete in the Council of Nicaea in the Nicene Creed's doctrine of of the Trinity. It states; "God of God, Light of Light, very God of very God, begotten, not made, being of one substance (homoousios) with the Father".

This doctrine of the Trinity has been reworded to state "the one God exists in three Persons and one substance, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit."

The historian S. H. Hooke tells in detail of the ancient Sumerian trinity: Anu was the primary god of heaven, the ‘Father’, and the ‘King of the Gods’; Enlil, the ‘wind-god’ was the god of the earth, and a creator god; and Enki was the god of waters and the ‘lord of wisdom’.

From Egypt came the ideas of a divine trinity.
The Egyptian triad Isis, Osiris, and the child Horus’ probably accustomed the early church theologians to the idea of a triune God, and was influential in the formulation of the doctrine of the Trinity as set forth in the Nicaean and Athanasian creeds.

In ancient Pagan Goddess worship the "triple goddess" is a deified Trinity, depicting the threefold aspect of a single God/dess.

[SpiritQuickens]

it did NOT come from Our Christ-

it did NOT come from peter the rock-

were did it come form and what is it going to take for "triaterains " to see this most grave ERROR and REPENT!?!

peace and good and tons o'love

>o

It comes from the Bible. Check out the Christophanies of the Old Testament.

"Be on your guard before him and obey his voice; do not be rebellious toward him, for he will not pardon your transgression, since My name is in him."-Exodus 23:21

God the Father clearly indicates that God the Son is a separate entity with the third person "Him." That God's "Name" (nature, authority) is in Him rules out any kind of subordinationism or Arianism, and that Jesus is referred to as "Him" indicates some degree of separation, ruling out any kind of modalism (if they were just different manifestations of God, God could have easily said "I'm coming down there in the form of an angel").

[peter d roman]

thanks for your reply and your most excellent scholarship - it rings with the GREAT BELLS of Truth and it dose explain a lot of what has gone wrong with Our Savior Brothers House over the centuries-

i hope that other " followers of Our Christ - Brother, Redeemer and Forever Friend are reading this too andare passing this information on for further examination, review and debate.

thanks again-

peace and good and tons o'love

>o

It comes from Theophilus (Greek) and has nothing to do with the Christian concept.
100 years later it is made concrete in the Council of Nicaea in the Nicene Creed's doctrine of of the Trinity. It states; "God of God, Light of Light, very God of very God, begotten, not made, being of one substance (homoousios) with the Father".

This doctrine of the Trinity has been reworded to state "the one God exists in three Persons and one substance, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit."

The historian S. H. Hooke tells in detail of the ancient Sumerian trinity: Anu was the primary god of heaven, the ‘Father’, and the ‘King of the Gods’; Enlil, the ‘wind-god’ was the god of the earth, and a creator god; and Enki was the god of waters and the ‘lord of wisdom’.

From Egypt came the ideas of a divine trinity.
The Egyptian triad Isis, Osiris, and the child Horus’ probably accustomed the early church theologians to the idea of a triune God, and was influential in the formulation of the doctrine of the Trinity as set forth in the Nicaean and Athanasian creeds.

In ancient Pagan Goddess worship the "triple goddess" is a deified Trinity, depicting the threefold aspect of a single God/dess.

[peter d roman]

Our Savior Brother came to complete that what was held in the "old testament"- there is NOTHING left there for a DISCIPLE of Our Christ to learn from - if it come from there it is a false teaching.

He reduced the law to love and reopened the gates to Our Fathers Garden with our keys of Love , Compassion , Faith , and Hope.

God is ONE - Yash'wa Our Savior Brother by His Own ACCOUNT and DIRECT TEACHING IS One with Our Father -

we that FOLLOW HIM and His Way of Faithful Love become ONE with Our Father/ Our Savior Brother as well- NOW not in some after life.

thanks for your reply -

peace and good and tons o'love

>o

it did NOT come from Our Christ-

it did NOT come from peter the rock-

were did it come form and what is it going to take for "triaterains " to see this most grave ERROR and REPENT!?!

peace and good and tons o'love

>o

It comes from the Bible. Check out the Christophanies of the Old Testament.

"Be on your guard before him and obey his voice; do not be rebellious toward him, for he will not pardon your transgression, since My name is in him."-Exodus 23:21

God the Father clearly indicates that God the Son is a separate entity with the third person "Him." That God's "Name" (nature, authority) is in Him rules out any kind of subordinationism or Arianism, and that Jesus is referred to as "Him" indicates some degree of separation, ruling out any kind of modalism (if they were just different manifestations of God, God could have easily said "I'm coming down there in the form of an angel").

[SpiritQuickens]

Our Savior Brother came to complete that what was held in the "old testament"- there is NOTHING left there for a DISCIPLE of Our Christ to learn from - if it come from there it is a false teaching.

He reduced the law to love and reopened the gates to Our Fathers Garden with our keys of Love , Compassion , Faith , and Hope.

God is ONE - Yash'wa Our Savior Brother by His Own ACCOUNT and DIRECT TEACHING IS One with Our Father -

we that FOLLOW HIM and His Way of Faithful Love become ONE with Our Father/ Our Savior Brother as well- NOW not in some after life.

thanks for your reply -

peace and good and tons o'love

>o

it did NOT come from Our Christ-

it did NOT come from peter the rock-

were did it come form and what is it going to take for "triaterains " to see this most grave ERROR and REPENT!?!

peace and good and tons o'love

>o

It comes from the Bible. Check out the Christophanies of the Old Testament.

"Be on your guard before him and obey his voice; do not be rebellious toward him, for he will not pardon your transgression, since My name is in him."-Exodus 23:21

God the Father clearly indicates that God the Son is a separate entity with the third person "Him." That God's "Name" (nature, authority) is in Him rules out any kind of subordinationism or Arianism, and that Jesus is referred to as "Him" indicates some degree of separation, ruling out any kind of modalism (if they were just different manifestations of God, God could have easily said "I'm coming down there in the form of an angel").

I'm not talking about returning to the Law. I'm talking about learning from the Old Testament, which we're explicitly told to do.

We're to search the Old Testament to find Jesus, to verify various prophecies, etc (Zechariah 12:10-14, Isaiah 52:13-53, Daniel 9:24-29).

"And beginning with Moses and all the Prophets, he interpreted to them in all the Scriptures the things concerning himself."-Luke 24:27

"You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; it is these that testify about Me"-John 5:39.

We're clearly encouraged to look back into the Old Testament. The examples of useful Old Testament references are too numerous to mention, but Paul gives us the general command:

"For whatever was written in earlier times was written for our instruction, so that through perseverance and the encouragement of the Scriptures we might have hope."-Romans 15:4.

[SpiritQuickens]

Our Savior Brother came to complete that what was held in the "old testament"- there is NOTHING left there for a DISCIPLE of Our Christ to learn from - if it come from there it is a false teaching.

He reduced the law to love and reopened the gates to Our Fathers Garden with our keys of Love , Compassion , Faith , and Hope.

God is ONE - Yash'wa Our Savior Brother by His Own ACCOUNT and DIRECT TEACHING IS One with Our Father -

we that FOLLOW HIM and His Way of Faithful Love become ONE with Our Father/ Our Savior Brother as well- NOW not in some after life.

thanks for your reply -

peace and good and tons o'love

>o

it did NOT come from Our Christ-

it did NOT come from peter the rock-

were did it come form and what is it going to take for "triaterains " to see this most grave ERROR and REPENT!?!

peace and good and tons o'love

>o

It comes from the Bible. Check out the Christophanies of the Old Testament.

"Be on your guard before him and obey his voice; do not be rebellious toward him, for he will not pardon your transgression, since My name is in him."-Exodus 23:21

God the Father clearly indicates that God the Son is a separate entity with the third person "Him." That God's "Name" (nature, authority) is in Him rules out any kind of subordinationism or Arianism, and that Jesus is referred to as "Him" indicates some degree of separation, ruling out any kind of modalism (if they were just different manifestations of God, God could have easily said "I'm coming down there in the form of an angel").

By the way, I'm not denying that Jesus is one with the Father. I'm just saying that there is clearly a certain degree of separation between them insofar as Jesus is a separate Person of the Trinity. Jesus did say He was one with the Father (John 10:30), but He does not say that He IS the Father. He certainly isn't (John 1:1).

[peter d roman]

no - what you say is not so any longer-

it was true when the apostles peter, paul and the rest were sent out to redeem all in the world that WERE still under adam stain-

but with each new human birth following Our Savior Brothers Resurrection " adams stain had no more place".


those of the time of Yash'was Resurrection had to be baptized and reborn into a humble and faithful loving heart ;we bore AFTER Our Savior Brothers Resurrection are called to be HIS DISCIPLES and to learn directly from Him.

as The Holy Prophet said of that day THIS POST Resurrection DAY speaking for Our Father/ Our Savior Brother " behold I make ALL THINGS NEW again" so put your bible away while you are able!

as for Our Brothers DIRECT teaching on the scriptures value as it relates to DISCIPLESHIP in-the NOW - johns account states it best as Our Brother was in the temple area teaching HIS FOLLOWERS - He call there attention to those that Always looked to the scriptures and said " look at them there studying and search the scriptures AS IF there in they will find Salvation"!

peace and good and tons o'love

>o

Our Savior Brother came to complete that what was held in the "old testament"- there is NOTHING left there for a DISCIPLE of Our Christ to learn from - if it come from there it is a false teaching.

He reduced the law to love and reopened the gates to Our Fathers Garden with our keys of Love , Compassion , Faith , and Hope.

God is ONE - Yash'wa Our Savior Brother by His Own ACCOUNT and DIRECT TEACHING IS One with Our Father -

we that FOLLOW HIM and His Way of Faithful Love become ONE with Our Father/ Our Savior Brother as well- NOW not in some after life.

thanks for your reply -

peace and good and tons o'love

>o

it did NOT come from Our Christ-

it did NOT come from peter the rock-

were did it come form and what is it going to take for "triaterains " to see this most grave ERROR and REPENT!?!

peace and good and tons o'love

>o

It comes from the Bible. Check out the Christophanies of the Old Testament.

"Be on your guard before him and obey his voice; do not be rebellious toward him, for he will not pardon your transgression, since My name is in him."-Exodus 23:21

God the Father clearly indicates that God the Son is a separate entity with the third person "Him." That God's "Name" (nature, authority) is in Him rules out any kind of subordinationism or Arianism, and that Jesus is referred to as "Him" indicates some degree of separation, ruling out any kind of modalism (if they were just different manifestations of God, God could have easily said "I'm coming down there in the form of an angel").

I'm not talking about returning to the Law. I'm talking about learning from the Old Testament, which we're explicitly told to do.

We're to search the Old Testament to find Jesus, to verify various prophecies, etc (Zechariah 12:10-14, Isaiah 52:13-53, Daniel 9:24-29).

"And beginning with Moses and all the Prophets, he interpreted to them in all the Scriptures the things concerning himself."-Luke 24:27

"You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; it is these that testify about Me"-John 5:39.

We're clearly encouraged to look back into the Old Testament. The examples of useful Old Testament references are too numerous to mention, but Paul gives us the general command:

"For whatever was written in earlier times was written for our instruction, so that through perseverance and the encouragement of the Scriptures we might have hope."-Romans 15:4.

[Cathar1950]

it did NOT come from Our Christ-

it did NOT come from peter the rock-

were did it come form and what is it going to take for "triaterains " to see this most grave ERROR and REPENT!?!

peace and good and tons o'love

>o

It evolved from theological battles of the Orthodox with others they called heretics.
They argued against the Dociests that Jesus was flesh and blood as well as human and those that understood the Hebrew idea that the "Son of God" was adopted and human not divine. The orthodox wanted both and painted themselves into a corner. The Trinitarian doctrine is largely about the nature of Jesus being both fully divine and fully human. So what is basically nonsense becomes dogma and a mystery.

[peter d roman]

yes it had become all that you said and much more- it was the chief reason no Orthodox believer in God of any faith would join with us because "...GOD IS ONE".

it has also opened the door to much physical and spritual harm done to one another becouse when TRUTH is comprmised then TRUTH is No Longer being served and anti-truth then dose its thing as long as it is able too.

thanks for your reply-

peace and good and tons o'love

>o

it did NOT come from Our Christ-

it did NOT come from peter the rock-

were did it come form and what is it going to take for "triaterains " to see this most grave ERROR and REPENT!?!

peace and good and tons o'love

>o

It evolved from theological battles of the Orthodox with others they called heretics.
They argued against the Dociests that Jesus was flesh and blood as well as human and those that understood the Hebrew idea that the "Son of God" was adopted and human not divine. The orthodox wanted both and painted themselves into a corner. The Trinitarian doctrine is largely about the nature of Jesus being both fully divine and fully human. So what is basically nonsense becomes dogma and a mystery.