Jesus is God - is Jesus the bridegroom?

[Wootah]

Blog post by someone: https://alexiscarucci.com/2022/05/18/je ... ridegroom/

Some relevant NT passages snipped from the blog post

Jesus referred to Himself as the bridegroom when He talked about why His disciples didn’t fast (Mark 2:18 – 20). Likewise, John, the Baptist, presented himself as the bridegroom’s friend and declared that the bride belongs to the bridegroom (John 3:29). The bride of Christ or the church consists of the entire body of believers throughout the ages, all who have received salvation by grace through faith. The New Jerusalem is also referred to as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband and alludes to Christ as the bridegroom (Revelation 21:2, 9 – 10).

Some relevant OT passages
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?s ... ersion=NIV

For your Maker is your husband—
the Lord Almighty is his name—
the Holy One of Israel is your Redeemer;
he is called the God of all the earth.

I think the union between man and God that was restablished in Jesus is quite clear. When we put our faith in Jesus we are accepting that what Jesus did has united God and man. It took God to unite what man tore apart.

So, Jesus is God or is Jesus some rando that calls himself the bridegroom?

[onewithhim]

Then can you cite a Bible verse that says "Jesus is not God"

JOHN 10:35, 36

We are not allowed to reply by Bible verse only without explanation.

Explanation : John 10:35, 36 proves that Jesus is not Almighty God.

The verses does not say that Jesus is not God.

John 10:35-36
35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?
KJV

It says clearly that Jesus said that he was the Son of God. If he was God, how could he also be the Son of God?

[Wootah]

[Replying to onewithhim in post #91]

Sorry but this has been explained ad nauseum. You keep thinking biologically when the whole ancient world would have thought relationally and positionally.

When there was no electronic communication a king and their ambassador (usually their son) would be as one and what the son said is the same as what the king said.

For Jesus to perfectly do the Father's will, it is implied in the word perfect that Jesus has to be God.

Even biologically you should be able to understand that a frog can only come from a frog and so Jesus would be the same essence as the Father.

edit: Also note the twisting in this thread away from the topic. A clear Bible verse, your maker is your husband YHWH is his name and the marriage of the church to Jesus. Clearly Jesus is therefore YHWH.

[onewithhim]

[Replying to onewithhim in post #91]

Sorry but this has been explained ad nauseum. You keep thinking biologically when the whole ancient world would have thought relationally and positionally.

When there was no electronic communication a king and their ambassador (usually their son) would be as one and what the son said is the same as what the king said.

For Jesus to perfectly do the Father's will, it is implied in the word perfect that Jesus has to be God.

Even biologically you should be able to understand that a frog can only come from a frog and so Jesus would be the same essence as the Father.

edit: Also note the twisting in this thread away from the topic. A clear Bible verse, your maker is your husband YHWH is his name and the marriage of the church to Jesus. Clearly Jesus is therefore YHWH.

To do the Father's will, there is no implication that Jesus has to be God. The Scriptures say that he was the image of God, not that he is God. (Colossians 1:15) He learned from the Father and always did things his Father's way. (John 5:19; John 12:49,50) The husbandry of God to Israel is not the same as Christ's marriage to the bride. Only parts of Israel are now part of the bride ["church"]. Only the ones who accepted Jesus as the Son of God who died for them so they could live.

[Capbook]

Then can you cite a Bible verse that says "Jesus is not God"

JOHN 10:35, 36

We are not allowed to reply by Bible verse only without explanation.

Explanation : John 10:35, 36 proves that Jesus is not Almighty God.

The verses does not say that Jesus is not God.

John 10:35-36
35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?
KJV

It says clearly that Jesus said that he was the Son of God. If he was God, how could he also be the Son of God?

May I use your logic, "You are a son of man (means your biological father). If you are a man, how could you be also a son of man? Is it logical to you?

[JehovahsWitness]

.... "You are a son of man (means your biological father). If you are a man, how could you be also a son of man?

You are confusing the notion of a "man" (as in human male) with that of Father

A person cannot be their own Father just because they are male ..

My Father is male
I am male
Therefore I must be my Father.

The notion that Jesus is his own Father is illogical.

My Father is a spirit
I am a spirit
Therefore I must be my Father.

The notion that Jesus is his own Father because he was also a spirit is equally illogical.

[Capbook]

.... "You are a son of man (means your biological father). If you are a man, how could you be also a son of man?

You are confusing the notion of a "man" (as in human male) with that of Father

A person cannot be their own Father just because they are male ..

My Father is male
I am male
Therefore I must be my Father.

The notion that Jesus is his own Father is illogical.

My Father is a spirit
I am a spirit
Therefore I must be my Father.

The notion that Jesus is his own Father because he was also a spirit is equally illogical.

You misunderstood my point, I did not mean that Jesus is the Father.
What I mean is about man and God logic.
We, human, have biological father (man), as we are "son of man" I believe no dispute that we are human/man?
Just like Jesus, He is "the Son of God" could He be not a God? Why not the same logic?

[JehovahsWitness]

... Jesus, He is "the Son of God" could He be not a God?

He is a God. He's just not The God [Almighty]

[onewithhim]

Then can you cite a Bible verse that says "Jesus is not God"

JOHN 10:35, 36

We are not allowed to reply by Bible verse only without explanation.

Explanation : John 10:35, 36 proves that Jesus is not Almighty God.

The verses does not say that Jesus is not God.

John 10:35-36
35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?
KJV

It says clearly that Jesus said that he was the Son of God. If he was God, how could he also be the Son of God?

May I use your logic, "You are a son of man (means your biological father). If you are a man, how could you be also a son of man? Is it logical to you?

So you're saying that we have two God Almighties? Just because Jesus is God's Son that means he is also God? If that is so then there are two God Almighties.

[Wootah]

[Replying to onewithhim in post #98]

I think, given your level of understanding, I can agree that, for you, finally when you practise exegesis you can see the Bible has two Gods ... for you. Mostly from that understanding, that you have, you need to enter the enquiry of how that makes sense. That is where the understanding of the Trinity develops. But for now, honestly well done. You have come a long way.

[onewithhim]

[Replying to onewithhim in post #98]

I think, given your level of understanding, I can agree that, for you, finally when you practise exegesis you can see the Bible has two Gods ... for you. Mostly from that understanding, that you have, you need to enter the enquiry of how that makes sense. That is where the understanding of the Trinity develops. But for now, honestly well done. You have come a long way.

Sorry, but you accept three Gods as the truth. You worship as a polytheist.