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myth-one wrote:
The devil is a spiritual being and lives forever. Therefore, his place of restraint, hell, also lasts forever.
Please explain how we can verify this indepent of the book that claims it so.
myth-one wrote:
Two "deaths" are described in the scriptures, the first death and the second death. The first death is that of our physical bodies as they exist now
Please explain how this can be verified independent of the original source for the claim.
This second death is optional depending on whether or not one accepts Jesus as their Savior from sin. The most important thing to notice is that it is a death! Death is the penalty, and the penalty is eternal. That is, they will never live again. The act of dying occurs quickly. It is not eternal torture!
Please explain how we can verify:
1- This second death occurs.
2- This second death is 'optional'.
3- The act of dying occurs 'quickly'. I think I can beleive the death itself is a 'pixel' away, but what does this say about folks who are starving, or have cancer.
myth-one wrote:
After all have been judged and either been born again as spirits or killed in the lake of fire described as the second death, there is no longer any need for the concept of death.
Please explain how we can verify:
1- Folks are 'judged'.
2- Folks are 'born again'.
3- Folks are 'born again' as 'spirits'.
4- There is 'no longer any need for the concept of death'. I can agree folks who die probably have no need for the concept, but what does this say of the living?
myth-one wrote:
At this point, everyone in existence is a spiritual body which will live forever. Any former humans still alive, exist as spirits.
Please explain:
1- How this can be verified outside the book that originally makes the claim.
2- How everyone in existence is a spiritual body.
3- How everyone in existence will live forever.
4- How any humans still alive exist as spirits.
myth-one wrote:
After the last unbeliever is cast into hell and dies, death is no longer a valid concept, and there is no longer any need for a grave.
Please explain:
1- How we can verify this independent of the original claim.
2- How we can verify unbelievers will be cast into Hell and die.
myth-one wrote:
Since no one will ever die again, no one will ever be buried in a grave again.
Please explain, independent of the original source:
1- How no one will ever die again.
myth-one wrote:
The concepts of death and hell (the grave) are both cast into the lake of fire and destroyed
Please explain how we can verify:
1- A
concept can be cast into a lake of fire.
2- A
concept can be destroyed.
myth-one wrote:
This new heaven and earth refer to our new earth and sky, not heaven where God resides
Please show how we can verify:
1- This heaven exists.
2- This heaven is not the one in which God resides.
myth-one wrote:
God's heaven was not made desolate by the rebellious angels and men who ruled over the earth, so it did not need to be made anew
Please show how we can verify:
1- This God's heaven exists.
2- These rebellious angels exist.
3- These rebellious angels and men ruled over earth.
myth-one wrote:
God's will is not presently being done on the Earth, so the Earth is not now included in the Kingdom of Heaven.
Please explain how we can verify when God's will is being done.
myth-one wrote:
In any event, you will be an unrestrained spirit with freedom of choice. If you desire to go to heaven there should be nothing to stop you. However, based on the description and conditions of the new earth and new Jerusalem, no one should desire to leave!
Please explain how we can verify:
1- Folks will be unrestrained 'spirits'.
2- This heaven exists to be desirous of.
I might be Teddy Roosevelt, but I ain't.
-Punkinhead Martin