I have never commented before on someone being new to the forum, but I can't help but be amused you are lecturing the site owner on both the rules and the purpose of the forum. That you go on to accuse others of being 'dogmatic' shows an astounding lack of self awareness.Raimi Stranger wrote:which part of :otseng wrote:The purpose of the Judaism subforum is not to debate.Raimi Stranger wrote: this is actually a debate forum, that is the rule here and stated clearly
See here:
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... hp?t=11497
If you want to debate, please start a thread in a debate subforum.. . . is to discuss and debate Jewish topics and issues. This sub-forum assumes the ongoing validity of Judaism; anyone can post here, but it's not the place to discuss, for example, whether Christianity has supplanted Judaism or ought to.
" discuss and debate Jewish topics and issues"
did you not understand applies here according to the rules ?
equally the whole point and spirit of this site is OPEN discussion and debate of ALL aspects of religion and Christianity
that is the very NAME of this site ... and the point is that religion, even of Jews, is DIVIDED , so clearly is not the ONE Truth of the ONE God f all men... so obviously men will not REPROVE to scripture without some discussion...
this site is AGAINST dogmatism of religion because religion is divided and thus PROVES it is false... BOTH Christianity AND Judaism.... BOTH !
but the scripture TAKEN AS A WHOLE defeats ALL religious traditions of sinners and offers the PROOF by spirit baptism , Truth from God Himself, INCORRUPTIBLE PROOF , unlike religious tradition of men...
Why Jesus was not the Jewish Messiah
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[Replying to post 89 by Raimi Stranger]
Since I'm feeling a little generous today, I'll give you one more chance.
You are free to debate Judaism in Non-Christian Religions and Philosophies. You are NOT free to question the validity of Judaism in this subforum.
As I pointed out in the quote: This sub-forum assumes the ongoing validity of Judaism.
Post anymore in this subforum questioning the validity of Judaism and I will not show anymore tolerance.
I would also highly suggest that you fully review the Rules.
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[Replying to post 89 by Raimi Stranger]
Since I'm feeling a little generous today, I'll give you one more chance.
You are free to debate Judaism in Non-Christian Religions and Philosophies. You are NOT free to question the validity of Judaism in this subforum.
As I pointed out in the quote: This sub-forum assumes the ongoing validity of Judaism.
Post anymore in this subforum questioning the validity of Judaism and I will not show anymore tolerance.
I would also highly suggest that you fully review the Rules.
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[Replying to post 92 by otseng]
I have no idea how one would 'question the validity' of a religion , but I guess you have...
but anyway i did not do that because4 I have no idea how to, all I pointed out is that Jews of Judaism often say they respect the Torah and Prophets but deny the new covenant which is part of the prophets... that is not my questioning tgheir validity, it is God saying long before I was born that they are simply wrong , indeed He said that too , explicitly in their own scriptures
so please make your complaint to God if you do not believe him, I have NOT broken any of your rules, your judgement ythat I have is simply YOUR mistake in understanding your own rules.... I only pointed out what He says ... it is NOT my fault what was written long before I was born and you must be very blind if you think I made it up myself , you can read it for yourself and even discuss it as the site says it is for discussion of God's words...
but threatening and persecuting me will not change what God has had written long ago ... and it is NOT ME challenging Judaism, I would not have the temerity to do so, but God is not daunted by you or anyone in His words condemning the house of Judah in scripture for disobeying Him, not me...
shooting the messenger does not change the message ...and the rules I have read and re-read, but none of them say I am responsible for what God had written long before I was born, and the site says it is about OPEN DISCUSSION and debate of Christianity and other religions... that is all I want to do , DISCUSS ... but now you threaten me , who do you think you are ? God ? .... you want to gag discussion of what God says by threatening folks with abuse and yet also claim the site is for open discussion.... you are a very confused person.... and not a fair judge , nr is this place as friendly as it claims, but downright hostile and aggressive and uncivil and now unjust too...,let alone that this is not the time for judgement and God requires only saints to judge others.... so judge yourself first else be sure you will be judged by God ...not by me ... and in case you ALSO think that is MY advice, not God's :-
1 Corinthians 11:31 For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged.
I have no idea how one would 'question the validity' of a religion , but I guess you have...
but anyway i did not do that because4 I have no idea how to, all I pointed out is that Jews of Judaism often say they respect the Torah and Prophets but deny the new covenant which is part of the prophets... that is not my questioning tgheir validity, it is God saying long before I was born that they are simply wrong , indeed He said that too , explicitly in their own scriptures
so please make your complaint to God if you do not believe him, I have NOT broken any of your rules, your judgement ythat I have is simply YOUR mistake in understanding your own rules.... I only pointed out what He says ... it is NOT my fault what was written long before I was born and you must be very blind if you think I made it up myself , you can read it for yourself and even discuss it as the site says it is for discussion of God's words...
but threatening and persecuting me will not change what God has had written long ago ... and it is NOT ME challenging Judaism, I would not have the temerity to do so, but God is not daunted by you or anyone in His words condemning the house of Judah in scripture for disobeying Him, not me...
shooting the messenger does not change the message ...and the rules I have read and re-read, but none of them say I am responsible for what God had written long before I was born, and the site says it is about OPEN DISCUSSION and debate of Christianity and other religions... that is all I want to do , DISCUSS ... but now you threaten me , who do you think you are ? God ? .... you want to gag discussion of what God says by threatening folks with abuse and yet also claim the site is for open discussion.... you are a very confused person.... and not a fair judge , nr is this place as friendly as it claims, but downright hostile and aggressive and uncivil and now unjust too...,let alone that this is not the time for judgement and God requires only saints to judge others.... so judge yourself first else be sure you will be judged by God ...not by me ... and in case you ALSO think that is MY advice, not God's :-
1 Corinthians 11:31 For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged.
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Post #95[Replying to post 2 by McCulloch]
hELLO My name is reX and I am VERY Interested in your GREAT Topic.
I Disagree with You ON Almost MOST Points that You Make.
but that is OK and a normal and GOOD thing. Maybe there are things You can Teach me. Maybe You would like to Understand more about what I have Read in the Torah ?
Will You allow me to Present my IDEA ?
For instance the Old Testament DOES Teach the IDEA of an Afterlife
FOr eXample
DA 12:1 At that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.
And many of them that SLEEP in the dust of the earth shall awake,
JOB 14:12 So man lieth down, and riseth not: till the heavens be no more, they shall not awake, nor be raised out of their SLEEP.
13 O that thou wouldest hide me in the grave, that thou wouldest keep me
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hELLO My name is reX and I am VERY Interested in your GREAT Topic.
I Disagree with You ON Almost MOST Points that You Make.
but that is OK and a normal and GOOD thing. Maybe there are things You can Teach me. Maybe You would like to Understand more about what I have Read in the Torah ?
Will You allow me to Present my IDEA ?
For instance the Old Testament DOES Teach the IDEA of an Afterlife
FOr eXample
DA 12:1 At that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.
And many of them that SLEEP in the dust of the earth shall awake,
JOB 14:12 So man lieth down, and riseth not: till the heavens be no more, they shall not awake, nor be raised out of their SLEEP.
13 O that thou wouldest hide me in the grave, that thou wouldest keep me
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[font=Arial][font=Comic Sans MS]Also I would Like to see the RETURN of the Levite Priesthood .. WHO Offered DAILY Sacrifices and Blood Atonement for SINS.
There is not a jEWISH Group ( * KNOWN ) Today. anywhere on the Planet.
Who Are following the Priestly Sacrifice, No Priests ( Whom I Know OF )) -
jEWS don't even SACRIFICE any more., They Don't Have any Priests Offering Sacrifices and Sprinkling Blood Atonement . Offerings.
I am Sad because we DONT EVEN have a TEMPLE !
With An Altar - for Daily Sacrifices and Atonement. There is jUST not Enough of Us
But I jUST don't see any interest in the jEWISH Community to REBUILD The Temple and inner HOLY - Sanctuary ...
I Am a Defender of Israel and All jEWS . .WORLDWIDE.
Do You know What the Torah is about.
And what the Law of Moses is about.
Please eXplain to me. Where I am IN >....ERROR...... ? [/font][/font]
There is not a jEWISH Group ( * KNOWN ) Today. anywhere on the Planet.
Who Are following the Priestly Sacrifice, No Priests ( Whom I Know OF )) -
jEWS don't even SACRIFICE any more., They Don't Have any Priests Offering Sacrifices and Sprinkling Blood Atonement . Offerings.
I am Sad because we DONT EVEN have a TEMPLE !
With An Altar - for Daily Sacrifices and Atonement. There is jUST not Enough of Us
But I jUST don't see any interest in the jEWISH Community to REBUILD The Temple and inner HOLY - Sanctuary ...
I Am a Defender of Israel and All jEWS . .WORLDWIDE.
Do You know What the Torah is about.
And what the Law of Moses is about.
Please eXplain to me. Where I am IN >....ERROR...... ? [/font][/font]
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[font=Arial] Yes You are Right about it.
First Of All. I am a jEW, By Blood. My Mother WAS jEWISH.
Second of all . I DO understand What You are telling me...
It would be So hard to set up a Polygamous Levite Priesthood. / To begin Stoning for Blood Crimes. Such as Sodomy, Beastality and Adultery and Rape. ECT...
A Slaughterhouse in Jerusalem, would be Dangerous distraction from the defense, - of the State of Israel.
jEWS, - Have to be on alert, every moment of every day. They have to adapt their daily life to a defense type mentality. Even women MUST jOIN the Military.
MANDATORY. there are so many, many things, - that people are not seeing, Even Like Myself.
You have opened my eyes a little more, of the FACTS on the Ground and I am thankful for that.
My interest is not to jUDGE You or Other Fellow jEWS and Push them into Submitting to the Old Testament. Or Make them feel bad or anything.
jEWS are doing wonderful and I am Glad they are happy, jUST the Way they are.
But HONESTLY, my DESIRE is to Allow those Who wish to Follow the RELIGIOUS Practices of the Old Testament, TO DO SO. In FREEDOM.
So, - when we see OTHER ( Gentile ) - people around the Planet, saying things like
( jUDAISM... is one of the Great Religions - They Don't Understand that Judaism has no HISTORICAL Past.....
There is no such a Term or IDEA as jUDAISM... ANYWHERE , in the Torah/
The Torah, does not KOWN anything about jUDAISM... And YOU and MANY Like YOU ]....................Simply have no Torah for Your Faith .....
There is no SUCH a Thing as jUDAISM... Found anywhere on the Planet, TRULLY - it DOES not eXist.
This is not an INSULT... it is not Your Fault. or anything BAD about You.
I have a lot to Learn From You. and I love Talking to You.
BUT ,...see...
Abraham Knew Nothing of jUDAISM, None of the Prophets Spoke of the TERM jUDAISM. ALSO What, - PRE Christ Historical Writings / Tell us about a Religion CALLED jUDAISM ?
jUDAISM is a Modern, Liberal, Flakey Label that has been used to Either Describe an Historical Past, LONG Ago and Far, Far away.
OR jUDAISM is A MODERN Label that jEWS TODAY, Pull out of their Head, to Reformulate and RE Design and RE CREATE Portions of the of the Bible they Probably would Love to Follow.
But they are not allowed to follow the Bible and Law and Scriptures. SO....They Would Not be Accepted by the Gentile World.
They Call the Portions they can Follow and Teach.. a Modern TERM, Called jUDAISM...
Where, is it - in History ?. that You FIND jEWS. INVENTING and USING the Term jUDAISM. Don't YOU Think. that jUDAISM was probably a Gentile invented Label, Pushed on jEWS, Trying to Follow the God of the Scriptures ?
I would say, This is True. There is no History of jEWISH writers, Calling their Religion jUDAISM . WHO KNOWS ? Maybe the jEWS Did INVENT the Word or TERM, called jUDAISM.
WHO KNOWs ? Maybe the jEWS and Gentiles . Did it All TOGETHER ?
jUDAISM... is ... What the Gentile world, will ALLOW jEWS to Practice, and nothing more.
If jEWS Were to follow the Law of Moses. I believe that You and the Majority of the Planet would Criminalize them for doing so.
My FOCUS is simply....a question . Do You and Others, TRULLy Like the God of the Bible ?
If Abraham and Jacob or MOSES ...were to return back to Israel TODAY, with their MULTIPLE Wives and Many POLYGAMOUS Wrought Children.
Began stoning for adultery and other BLOOD CRIMES
Begin Sacrificing ........and putting SIN out of Israel.
I believe that Many jEWS and Most of the World, - PRETEND to Admire and CONNECT and Believe in the God of Abraham.
They Would Hate Abraham, jACOB and Moses, and ALL of the Prophets.
I don't wish to INSULT anyone. jUST Present the FACTS, and not Live in a pretend Fantasy world.
That's all. There is nothing Wrong with jUDAISM or with You. I love You and am glad to communicate With You. But don't Bann me because I tell You what I see.
Please. Visit my WEBSITE http://rexorator.nfshost.com
Thank YOU...... So much. May Israel be Blessed forever. [/font]
First Of All. I am a jEW, By Blood. My Mother WAS jEWISH.
Second of all . I DO understand What You are telling me...
It would be So hard to set up a Polygamous Levite Priesthood. / To begin Stoning for Blood Crimes. Such as Sodomy, Beastality and Adultery and Rape. ECT...
A Slaughterhouse in Jerusalem, would be Dangerous distraction from the defense, - of the State of Israel.
jEWS, - Have to be on alert, every moment of every day. They have to adapt their daily life to a defense type mentality. Even women MUST jOIN the Military.
MANDATORY. there are so many, many things, - that people are not seeing, Even Like Myself.
You have opened my eyes a little more, of the FACTS on the Ground and I am thankful for that.
My interest is not to jUDGE You or Other Fellow jEWS and Push them into Submitting to the Old Testament. Or Make them feel bad or anything.
jEWS are doing wonderful and I am Glad they are happy, jUST the Way they are.
But HONESTLY, my DESIRE is to Allow those Who wish to Follow the RELIGIOUS Practices of the Old Testament, TO DO SO. In FREEDOM.
So, - when we see OTHER ( Gentile ) - people around the Planet, saying things like
( jUDAISM... is one of the Great Religions - They Don't Understand that Judaism has no HISTORICAL Past.....
There is no such a Term or IDEA as jUDAISM... ANYWHERE , in the Torah/
The Torah, does not KOWN anything about jUDAISM... And YOU and MANY Like YOU ]....................Simply have no Torah for Your Faith .....
There is no SUCH a Thing as jUDAISM... Found anywhere on the Planet, TRULLY - it DOES not eXist.
This is not an INSULT... it is not Your Fault. or anything BAD about You.
I have a lot to Learn From You. and I love Talking to You.
BUT ,...see...
Abraham Knew Nothing of jUDAISM, None of the Prophets Spoke of the TERM jUDAISM. ALSO What, - PRE Christ Historical Writings / Tell us about a Religion CALLED jUDAISM ?
jUDAISM is a Modern, Liberal, Flakey Label that has been used to Either Describe an Historical Past, LONG Ago and Far, Far away.
OR jUDAISM is A MODERN Label that jEWS TODAY, Pull out of their Head, to Reformulate and RE Design and RE CREATE Portions of the of the Bible they Probably would Love to Follow.
But they are not allowed to follow the Bible and Law and Scriptures. SO....They Would Not be Accepted by the Gentile World.
They Call the Portions they can Follow and Teach.. a Modern TERM, Called jUDAISM...
Where, is it - in History ?. that You FIND jEWS. INVENTING and USING the Term jUDAISM. Don't YOU Think. that jUDAISM was probably a Gentile invented Label, Pushed on jEWS, Trying to Follow the God of the Scriptures ?
I would say, This is True. There is no History of jEWISH writers, Calling their Religion jUDAISM . WHO KNOWS ? Maybe the jEWS Did INVENT the Word or TERM, called jUDAISM.
WHO KNOWs ? Maybe the jEWS and Gentiles . Did it All TOGETHER ?
jUDAISM... is ... What the Gentile world, will ALLOW jEWS to Practice, and nothing more.
If jEWS Were to follow the Law of Moses. I believe that You and the Majority of the Planet would Criminalize them for doing so.
My FOCUS is simply....a question . Do You and Others, TRULLy Like the God of the Bible ?
If Abraham and Jacob or MOSES ...were to return back to Israel TODAY, with their MULTIPLE Wives and Many POLYGAMOUS Wrought Children.
Began stoning for adultery and other BLOOD CRIMES
Begin Sacrificing ........and putting SIN out of Israel.
I believe that Many jEWS and Most of the World, - PRETEND to Admire and CONNECT and Believe in the God of Abraham.
They Would Hate Abraham, jACOB and Moses, and ALL of the Prophets.
I don't wish to INSULT anyone. jUST Present the FACTS, and not Live in a pretend Fantasy world.
That's all. There is nothing Wrong with jUDAISM or with You. I love You and am glad to communicate With You. But don't Bann me because I tell You what I see.
Please. Visit my WEBSITE http://rexorator.nfshost.com
Thank YOU...... So much. May Israel be Blessed forever. [/font]
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Post #99[font=Arial]There is a Polygamous Family from the MAN Called Judah.
The Son, of the Polygamous Jacob. .. This Family is Called jUDAH...
They have A Family tree Going up to jESUS Christ....
The the Other Polygamous Families of the Sons of of jACOB.. . Were Blended into the Dominate Tribe and Seed of jUDAH...
I don't Know why jEWS are Pretending to Like or Connect or Admire .
Abraham and jACOB and jUDAH ? I truly don't Understand.
It does not make sense to me....[/font]
The Son, of the Polygamous Jacob. .. This Family is Called jUDAH...
They have A Family tree Going up to jESUS Christ....
The the Other Polygamous Families of the Sons of of jACOB.. . Were Blended into the Dominate Tribe and Seed of jUDAH...
I don't Know why jEWS are Pretending to Like or Connect or Admire .
Abraham and jACOB and jUDAH ? I truly don't Understand.
It does not make sense to me....[/font]
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The term "Judaism" is hardly a "modern" word. It has been around since at least the first century of the common era, i.e. more than two thousand years. It can be found in the second book of Maccabees from that period -- specifically, chapter 2, verse 21, and chapter 8, verse 1.
If there is "no such a thing as Judaism," there is no such thing as a Jew. The terms are related, you know. Once again; things don't have the same meaning as they did two thousand years ago, and that is just the way it is.
By the way -- there is no evidence that the courts of the ancient Kingdom of Israel EVER stoned ANYONE to death for "blood crimes," as you call them. Maybe you should learn a little something about the Jewish religion and Jewish history before spouting your -- er, opinions -- about it.
I don't have time for this. Have a nice day.
If there is "no such a thing as Judaism," there is no such thing as a Jew. The terms are related, you know. Once again; things don't have the same meaning as they did two thousand years ago, and that is just the way it is.
By the way -- there is no evidence that the courts of the ancient Kingdom of Israel EVER stoned ANYONE to death for "blood crimes," as you call them. Maybe you should learn a little something about the Jewish religion and Jewish history before spouting your -- er, opinions -- about it.
I don't have time for this. Have a nice day.
