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What's good for the Nazi works for a jihadi

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Op-ed in today's Washington Times
Marvin Hier and Abraham Cooper wrote:

What's good for the Nazi works for a jihadi

President Obama was right when he declared after convening the post mortem on the Detroit debacle that "we have to do better." The simple fact is that $42 billion later, Americans do not feel much safer getting on an airplane than they did eight years ago. Despite the post- Sept. 11 upgrades in security, despite the long lines, the inconveniences of removing shoes and belts and coming soon to an airport near you - full body scans - we are not reassured that the next disaster is not lurking just around the corner. People are concerned we aren't doing enough to fight the enemy and we're still not sure we've fully identified the enemy.

The administration and its Republican critics are still arguing whether Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan's Ft. Hood massacre constitutes an act of terrorism. That dispute is reflected in a larger debate of whether we are still in a "war against terror" and whether individuals like Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab should be treated as enemy combatants or read their Miranda Rights as common criminals.

But however that debate shakes out, there is an important move, that would cost little but could strike a blow against extremism and make our skies a little safer: The president admitted that the current watch list is inadequate. But America needs to immediately expand its terrorist watch list. Consider this fact: While the United States has a database of 500,000 individuals implicated in criminal activity, only 1,700 of those names are on the terrorist watch list banning entry into the United States. Compare that to the watch list developed by the U.S. Justice Department of suspected Nazi war criminals. Developed in the 1980s, 40,000 individuals were initially listed, but later the list expanded beyond 70,000 when the Office of Special Investigations on Nazi War Crimes (OSI) included the entire roster of the Nazi SS - and all others who belonged to groups that abetted genocide.

Most of those aging genociders are in their 80s or 90s today and the hunt for Nazi war criminals will soon reach its biological solution. But not so Islamist terrorism - only in its genesis - which is the scourge of all humanity at the dawn of the new decade. It is inconceivable that in fighting the existential threat of terrorism, that we can be operating with a list of only 1,700 people to bar from entering the United States. To better protect the flying public and to strike a blow against extremists who today regularly indescriminantly slaughter fellow Muslims, the Department of Homeland Security should take a page from the Nazi watch list and immediately add those who openly support and abet terrorism. In practical terms, it means immediately listing the many thousands of names of all known members and enablers of Hezbollah, Islamic Jihad, Hamas, Indonesia's Jemmah Islamiyah and other terror groups listed by the State Department and the European Union.

And there are others who never fired a bullet, or strapped themselves to a ticking bomb, who nevertheless deserve to be publicly placed on America's terror watch list. They include Al Jazeera's Sheik Yusuf Qaradawi, whose online fatwa insists that Palestinian women have the right to attain martyrdom by blowing themselves up amidst Israelis. There is Omar Bakri Muhammad, who once claimed to be a recruiter for al Qaeda and organized the "Magnificent 19" (Sept. 11 bombers) in London. Jordan's Dr. Ibrahim Zayd Al-Kilani, who said this: "killing a transgressing American soldier" is an obligation and a kind of jihad. There are the followers of Indonesia's notorious Abu Bakar Bashir, Jamaica's Abdullah el-Faisel, and Libyan-born Abu Yaha al- Libi, who defends the "legitimacy" of violent jihad as a "religious obligation." And of course, Yemen's favorite American Anwar al-Awlaki who served as spiritual mentor and validator to Ft. Hood's Maj. Hasan and the Northwest Airlines terrorist.

We have no doubts that a simple e-mail to all U.S. embassies by Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton would flush out many more terror enablers. To be sure, errors will be made and anyone who stands accused of such activity must be given recourse to clear their names. It may also be true that not everyone who belongs to a terrorist group will become a suicide bomber, but let them suffer the consequences - why should Americans have to take that risk?

By compiling a true terror watch list, the United States and allies will reassure the shaken flying public that no one committed to terrorism against innocent civilians is aboard their flight. Such a policy will also help strengthen the hand of moderates across the Arab and Muslim world struggling against these extremists. And by providing the guardians of our borders with accurate and timely information about all those who promote and deploy terrorism against our nation, we can help co-opt the need to turn to blanket racial and ethnic profiling.

The time to act is now.


Rabbi Marvin Hier is the founder and dean of the Simon Wiesenthal Center. Rabbi Abraham Cooper is associate dean of the Center.

It's hard to see how anyone of any religion or any political persuasion could disagree with this.

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http://www.tradingeconomics.com/

Interesting data here. Britain's GDP got hit pretty hard by the economic crisis, but other Commonwealth countries such as Canada, New Zealand didn't suffer recessions worse than 4% in any given quarter over the past two years. Australia and India didn't go into recession at all. Hong Kong, by contrast, registered a whopping 7.8% decline in NGDP in the first quarter of '09 and Singapore a 9.5% decline.

It looks as though the countries that experienced the best rebound out of the recession were those in which the governments implemented far-reaching financial stimuli - India, Australia and China.
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Of course, the financial markets are tricky things, and it would be a mistake to try and describe their downfall or effective recovery in such simple terms; suffice it to say that the cause of the financial meltdown was enabled in significant part by the repeal of the Glass-Steagall Banking Act and possibly by artificially low Fed Reserve interest rates (though the Fed's importance is often vastly overstated).

This recent article, by Robert Paxton (a scholar of 20th-century European history who provided the definition of fascism we're currently using), looks to be relevant to the discussion also. In it, he systematically demolishes the notion that fascism was a phenomenon of the left, noting the assassination of Matteotti and the Rossellis, the purges of the squadristi, the internment of socialists and communists in concentration camps, outlawed labour strikes and labour unions and the embrace of corporatism and big business (with the exception of Jewish ones in Hitler's case).
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MagusYanam wrote:http://www.tradingeconomics.com/

Interesting data here. Britain's GDP got hit pretty hard by the economic crisis, but other Commonwealth countries such as Canada, New Zealand didn't suffer recessions worse than 4% in any given quarter over the past two years. Australia and India didn't go into recession at all. Hong Kong, by contrast, registered a whopping 7.8% decline in NGDP in the first quarter of '09 and Singapore a 9.5% decline.

It looks as though the countries that experienced the best rebound out of the recession were those in which the governments implemented far-reaching financial stimuli - India, Australia and China.
When I originally brought up Hong Kong, I was referring to when it was still British and was a truly free economy, I'm not sure it is now, being controlled by China.
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MagusYanam wrote:^
Of course, the financial markets are tricky things, and it would be a mistake to try and describe their downfall or effective recovery in such simple terms; suffice it to say that the cause of the financial meltdown was enabled in significant part by the repeal of the Glass-Steagall Banking Act and possibly by artificially low Fed Reserve interest rates (though the Fed's importance is often vastly overstated).
Our current problems are largely the result of the housing crisis, which the government had a big part in. See the Community Reinvestment Act. It was social engineering gone haywire. Obama's corrupt buddies at ACORN were suing banks for not giving loans to unqualified borrowers.
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East of Eden wrote:When I originally brought up Hong Kong, I was referring to when it was still British and was a truly free economy, I'm not sure it is now, being controlled by China.
This is false. The Heritage Foundation link you provided listed IEF rankings from 2010, 12 years after political control of Hong Kong was fully returned to the PRC. I highly doubt the data they were using were over 12 years old, and if they were the more fool them.
East of Eden wrote:Our current problems are largely the result of the housing crisis, which the government had a big part in. See the Community Reinvestment Act. It was social engineering gone haywire. Obama's corrupt buddies at ACORN were suing banks for not giving loans to unqualified borrowers.
The CRA was designed to eliminate discriminatory banking practices; the only harm the CRA did was enabled by the repeal of Glass-Steagall, which allowed investment banks to seek out unqualified real-estate buyers and essentially sell them plans they didn't know they couldn't afford. If you knew the history of the CRA, you wouldn't be so quick to lay the blame entirely at the feet of advocacy organisations like ACORN.

Also, unless Obama has developed a time machine which no one knows about and was able to go back to 1995 to convince Clinton to sign the Gramm-Leach-Billey Act, he bears no responsibility for the housing crisis. Bringing up his name is a cheap and underhanded rhetorical ploy.
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East of Eden wrote:When I originally brought up Hong Kong, I was referring to when it was still British and was a truly free economy, I'm not sure it is now, being controlled by China.
This is false. The Heritage Foundation link you provided listed IEF rankings from 2010, 12 years after political control of Hong Kong was fully returned to the PRC. I highly doubt the data they were using were over 12 years old, and if they were the more fool them.
Wrong. I brought up HK once before I listed the IEF site. Note the past tense 'were' in that first mention, meaning when they were British.
The CRA was designed to eliminate discriminatory banking practices; the only harm the CRA did was enabled by the repeal of Glass-Steagall, which allowed investment banks to seek out unqualified real-estate buyers and essentially sell them plans they didn't know they couldn't afford. If you knew the history of the CRA, you wouldn't be so quick to lay the blame entirely at the feet of advocacy organisations like ACORN.
Never said 'entirely'. People like Barney Frank and Chris Dodd get their shame of blame too.
Also, unless Obama has developed a time machine which no one knows about and was able to go back to 1995 to convince Clinton to sign the Gramm-Leach-Billey Act, he bears no responsibility for the housing crisis. Bringing up his name is a cheap and underhanded rhetorical ploy.
Like you bring up Bush, Cheney, and Haliburton all the time right? :confused2:
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East of Eden wrote:Wrong. I brought up HK once before I listed the IEF site. Note the past tense 'were' in that first mention, meaning when they were British.
You didn't say that was what you meant, and 'were' could have meant last Thursday for anyone who might have read your post. The only context or defence of your first statement was provided when you brought in the IEF link, which mentioned Hong Kong after it had been returned to the PRC. So my criticism stands.
East of Eden wrote:Never said 'entirely'. People like Barney Frank and Chris Dodd get their shame of blame too.
And Phil Gramm. And Jim Leach. And Tom Billey. And Alan Greenspan. And probably hundreds of filthy-rich investment bankers.
East of Eden wrote:Like you bring up Bush, Cheney, and Haliburton all the time right?
There seems to be something about the concept of 'responsibility' which you have difficulty understanding. The impetus from the Iraq War came almost entirely from Bush and his neoconservative advisors; hence, they are responsible for it. The Democrats who went along for the ride have their share of responsibility, to be sure, but to a markedly lesser degree.

But do you really have that hard a time figuring out why Obama isn't to blame for the housing crisis? In that all that happened to bring it about happened before he could have done anything about it?
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MagusYanam wrote: You didn't say that was what you meant, and 'were' could have meant last Thursday for anyone who might have read your post. The only context or defence of your first statement was provided when you brought in the IEF link, which mentioned Hong Kong after it had been returned to the PRC. So my criticism stands.
Sorry, I know what I meant. Why would I say 'were' if I meant current Chinese rule?
And Phil Gramm. And Jim Leach. And Tom Billey. And Alan Greenspan. And probably hundreds of filthy-rich investment bankers.
Franklin Raines certainly got 'filthy-rich' in the process of running Fannie into the ground. Does that bother you?
There seems to be something about the concept of 'responsibility' which you have difficulty understanding. The impetus from the Iraq War came almost entirely from Bush and his neoconservative advisors; hence, they are responsible for it. The Democrats who went along for the ride have their share of responsibility, to be sure, but to a markedly lesser degree.
And the Democrats bear the brunt of the responsibility (with the GOP going along to a lesser degree) for the housing crisis and the present economic problems we have, despite Obama's misrepresentations.
But do you really have that hard a time figuring out why Obama isn't to blame for the housing crisis? In that all that happened to bring it about happened before he could have done anything about it?
I guess that $100K in Fannie & Freddie lobbyist money bought Obama's silence on the coming train wreck:


"Here’s an article from 2003.

"The Bush administration today recommended the most significant regulatory overhaul in the housing finance industry since the savings and loan crisis a decade ago.

Under the plan, disclosed at a Congressional hearing today, a new agency would be created within the Treasury Department to assume supervision of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the government-sponsored companies that are the two largest players in the mortgage lending industry"

"After the hearing, Representative Michael G. Oxley, chairman of the Financial Services Committee, and Senator Richard Shelby, chairman of the Senate Banking Committee, announced their intention to draft legislation based on the administration’s proposal. Industry executives said congress could complete action on legislation before leaving for recess in the fall. " (they’re republicans)

"Among the groups denouncing the proposal today were the National Association of Home Builders and Congressional Democrats who fear that tighter regulation of the companies could sharply reduce their commitment to financing low-income and affordable housing.

�These two entities — Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac — are not facing any kind of financial crisis,� said Representative Barney Frank of Massachusetts, the ranking Democrat on the Financial Services Committee. �The more people exaggerate these problems, the more pressure there is on these companies, the less we will see in terms of affordable housing.� "


Democrats opposed the bill to help poor people and people with bad credit get loans. These of course are the people who defaulted on their loans and bankrupted the companies.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.h ... nted=print

The republicans had a slim majority. It takes 60 votes to beat a fillibuster

Good question. The Clinton administration and his cronies (some of which are current Obama advisers and contributors) like Franklin Raines, James A. Johnson, Janet Reno, and Jamie Gorelick are to blame for much of the financial mess we are in right now, namely running Fannie Mae into the ground.

In an effort to make housing “affordable� to everyone, they created the market for the high-risk subprime loans. New regulations forced lenders into high-risk areas where they had no choice but to lower lending standards to make the loans that sound business practices had previously guarded against making, or face stiff government penalties.

Meanwhile, Fannie Mae executives received maximum bonus payouts in the millions by overestimating earnings. You can now see the domino effect this has had with corporations like AIG, who owned a large stake in Fannie Mae. President Bush and Senator McCain have pushed for change in the mortgage giant’s structure since 2002, but Congress has largely ignored them. This shouldn’t come as a surprise though considering Democrats were the biggest benefactors of Fannie and Freddie lobbying, with Christopher Dodd receiving the most in contribution money at $165,400, followed by Barack Obama at $126,349, and John Kerry at $111,000."
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East of Eden wrote:Sorry, I know what I meant. Why would I say 'were' if I meant current Chinese rule?
I don't know. Why would you link a current IEF report if you didn't mean current Chinese rule?
East of Eden wrote:I guess that $100K in Fannie & Freddie lobbyist money bought Obama's silence on the coming train wreck:


"Here’s an article from 2003.
Yeah, I stopped reading there, 'cause that's going straight back into time-machine conspiracy theory. Since Obama didn't become a US Senator until 2005, there is no way he could have played any role in opposing or filibustering that bill.

Again, though, Democrats like Dodd and Frank may have taken out a few pegs from the financial system by demanding greater equality in lending practices, but the Republicans had already weakened the foundation significantly by repealing the Banking Act in the name of complete laissez-faire.
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Wyvern wrote:
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MagusYanam wrote: So now you're buying into the Soviet Big Lie with what they called themselves. Again, just because they call themselves 'socialist' does not actually make them socialist.
No, I'm buying into Wikipedia.
Also from wikipedia. North Korea, officially the Democratic People's Republic of Korea (DPRK). East Germany, was the informal Western name for the Deutsche Demokratische Republik (German Democratic Republic — GDR). Since wikipedia says it does that mean you believe East Germany was and North Korea is a democracy?
No, they were socialist countries.
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