Illegal Immigration

[The Persnickety Platypus]

Funny. It appears as if the unregulated free market embraced by today's religious right DOES have it's limitations.

When a greedy CEO decides to cut health care benefits for minimum wage workers in order to further engorge his profits, that's perfectly legit. But when a foreign laborer willing to work twice as hard for half the pay gets hired over you, THEN WE HAVE AN OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE!

I'm tired of all the capitalist pigs complaining about losing jobs to Hispanics. This is the form of society you have embraced. Now you get to deal with the competition it entails.




Here's an idea: force companies to pay all workers the same wages, and there is no incentive to hire the immigrant over your average blue collar worker. Problem solved.

Is it really this simple, or am I just missing something?

What is the purpose of the complex naturalization process? I always thought America was the land of opportunity. Suddenly it has become an exclusive membership club. We assert the joys of a free market all over the world, but wish to deny certain groups of people these same rights on the home front.

Another idea. Enter the borders- BAM, your a citizen. Screw the little aptitude tests.

Would this cause any signifigant economic backlashes? The workforce would be no more saturated than it all ready is, right? I'm asking you guys... I'm no economist.



Please share your ideas and solutions.

[Cephus]

Okay. Am I Bill Gates?

I don't know, and since it isn't relevant to the discussion, it doesn't matter.

What, is he more of a human being than the rest of us? Does he, through some convulted reasoning, deserve to wallow in his billions when there are millions out there who work *just* as hard, yet fail to adequately feed their familys?

He deserves it because he EARNED it. Otherwise, why do you deserve to own a computer and be online when there are millions out there who don't have a computer. Maybe we should take it away from you and give it to someone else.

Sorry, but I am not seeing how Bill's lake mansions and private trout streams are serving the greater good.

Who says they have to? Where did you get the bizarre idea that Bill Gates or anyone else must serve the greater good? Did a rock fall on your head or something?

I have made this argument before, I will make it again. A doctor neglecting to provide a patient with adequate care when he had the resources to do so can be charged with homicide.

No he can't. At worst, they can be charged with negligence or malpractice and that only applies to people who are paying them for treatment. A doctor has no obligation whatsoever to just treat any person he comes across on the side of the road which is pretty much what you're arguing for Bill Gates and his billions. Some faceless person somewhere might need money, so you're advocating stealing it from Bill Gates in order to fund it.

What are you, insane?

I have officially given up on humanity.

I've officially given up on your sanity and rationality.

[The Persnickety Platypus]

1024/3=$341.3 per person

Still two or three times more than needed.

And if not, we have plenty of multi-millionaires to dig into.

So, assuming that you convince Congress to give an independent grant for education/development and for providing all 3 billion citizens with matching starting capital, taking all of the money of the 256 US billionaires will allow these people to live comfortably for about a year and a half (Assuming no inflation of cost of living expenses in the local economy).

What happens at the start of year 3?

That's where the sustainability part of the equation comes in.

The poor are not incompetent, they just have nothing to work with. Give them the necissary capital and resources, and many communities will thrive.

Anyone remember South Korea and Tiawan post Korean war? They were essentially third world nations until the US started pouring billions of dollars into the local economies. Now they are both amoung the most successful nations on Earth.


But please, let's not get hung up on the billionaire enslavement proposal, that was just an attention-getter. My main wish is simply for the government to cap personal income at a reasonable level, and spend substantially more on foriegn aid (our current efforts being absolutely pitiful)

Who says they have to? Where did you get the bizarre idea that Bill Gates or anyone else must serve the greater good? Did a rock fall on your head or something?

Oh yes, silly me. I mean, a society where people look beyond their own selfish needs and collaborate to the benefit of humankind? Requesting those in power to appeal to reason and empathy rather than bow to lavish desires?

What was I thinking? Who do I think I am talking to here? Reasonable human beings?!?!

I'd like to apologize in advance for my absurdity. Please help help me to rid this evil from my mind. I'll try to never think of anyone but myself again. I promise.

No he can't. At worst, they can be charged with negligence or malpractice and that only applies to people who are paying them for treatment.

My my, these laws sure do change quickly.

Last time I looked, it was illegal for a doctor to let someone die just because they are inable to pay for treatment.

Did some reasonable congressman succeed in abolishing this fair standard while I was sleeping?

A doctor has no obligation whatsoever to just treat any person he comes across on the side of the road which is pretty much what you're arguing for Bill Gates and his billions.

Of course. It is essential that we protect the great American freedom to be a negligent ***hole.

And as long as we are being reasonable, it would probably be a good idea to abolish the laws concerning murder, rape, and oppression.

God forbid we let sympathy and altruism trump freedom.

What are you, insane?

>



With priorities like that, I must be.

[1John2_26]

That white guy behind those beautiful black children, where does he come from? How come the country where those children live doesn't do anything about them?

I wonder "what" drove that white guy to help others?

So those children don't deserve a yacht?

I'll bet P. Diddy has a yacht. I'm sorry, Sean John Combs. Check out his picture here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P._Diddy

I wonder how much money the average rapper sends to Feed the Children?

[1John2_26]

Feed the Children. Just a google click away. Seems they have something in common with that feisty priest in LA helping illegal immigrants.

Mr Platypus, just awhile back you posted a thread detailing the atrocities of Christian missionaries. Those children in your photos do not look traumatized by Christian missionaries. But then again it is just a photo.

What if the photo of the yacht has Doctors Without Borders (an independent humanitarian organization) on board on their way to doing some good works somewhere?

That guy with the kids looks like Larry Jones?

http://www.feedthechildren.org/site/Pag ... nces_jones

Feed The Children is a Christian, international, non-profit relief organization with headquarters in Oklahoma City, Okla., that delivers food, medicine, clothing and other necessities to individuals, children and families who lack these essentials due to famine, war, poverty or natural disaster.

What We Do

During our 26-year history, Feed The Children has created and developed one of the world's largest private organizations dedicated to feeding hungry people. Last year, Feed The Children shipped 61 million pounds of food and 22 million pounds of other essentials to children and families in all 50 states and in 62 foreign countries. Feed The Children supplemented 509,133 meals a day, worldwide.

U.S. Programs

The heart of Feed The Children's U.S. program is distributing food to needy families. To do this, we work closely with caring corporate partners that donate surplus food and other supplies, as well as with individual donors who help defray the cost of transporting the product donations.

Feed The Children's wholly-owned subsidiary, FTC Transportation, picks up in-kind contributions from corporate warehouses and then brings them back to one of five Feed The Children regional distribution centers. Some of the donations are then distributed in bulk and others are processed into individual relief boxes.


The supplies and boxes are then delivered to pre-approved, independent partner agencies that, in turn, distribute the supplies through over 50,000 feeding centers, homeless shelters, churches and various other organizations located in communities across the U.S. Individuals and groups can also sponsor a food distribution, during which boxes are given directly to families in need.

Through the generosity of committed partners, Feed The Children delivers much needed necessities to children and their families every day. As always, Feed The Children provides help to those in need absolutely free of charge. Find out how you can take a stand against hunger in the U.S.

International Outreach

Feed The Children's international programs focus on providing food, medical assistance, emergency relief and creating sustainable development.

Since 1979, we have provided food, clothing, medical assistance and educational opportunities to those in need in more than 100 nations around the world. Through schools, orphanages and church-related programs, Feed The Children touches the lives of thousands of children overseas every day. We also provide financial assistance to orphanages, schools and other charitable groups in these regions.

A key goal is to help needy families move past needing help and into becoming self-sufficient members of their community. Through long-term, self-help development programs funded by grants and by our Child Sponsorship partners, tens of thousands of families in countries around the world have increased their ability to be self-sufficient by learning and applying new, marketable skills. Find out how you can be a part of the solution to the problem of child hunger around the world.

[Cephus]

That white guy behind those beautiful black children, where does he come from? How come the country where those children live doesn't do anything about them?

It's ususally one of those guys from Christian Children's Charities going "Don't feed them yet! People won't send us money unless they look hungry!"

I wonder how much money the average rapper sends to Feed the Children?

Not much, I'm sure, but he's sure hitting the late-night TV circuit hawking pimple cream. Then again, I'm sure he's more generous than your average liberal who is happy to just point fingers and demand that everyone ELSE fund their ridiculous social schemes.

[The Persnickety Platypus]

Senate says NO to state sanctioned discrimination

It's defiantly a start. Maybe I won't give up on humanity just yet. Although, I'm sure the corporate lobbyists played some sort of factor in this decision.

Now the only question is, can it make it past the House?

Then again, I'm sure he's more generous than your average liberal who is happy to just point fingers and demand that everyone ELSE fund their ridiculous social schemes.

Speak for yourself. Africa got about 30% of my money last year..... which is, unfortunately, next to nothing. Mr. Sean Combs' money on the other hand could certainly make a significant dent in my "ridiculous" social schemes.

You see, I don't find it particularly meaningful to allocate giant sums of the world's resources in million dollar limos. But maybe that's just me.

What if the photo of the yacht has Doctors Without Borders (an independent humanitarian organization) on board on their way to doing some good works somewhere?

Then they are shamefully wasting perfectly good donation funds on petty eccentricies and should lose all their tax exemptions.

Mr Platypus, just awhile back you posted a thread detailing the atrocities of Christian missionaries. Those children in your photos do not look traumatized by Christian missionaries.

They do look a little grim, actually.

Maybe they are just a little photo-shy.