The Mark of the Beast

[Ben Masada]

The Mark of the Beast

Christians, especially Protestants, and among them, the Seventh-Day Adventists in particular, enjoy to talk about the mark of the Beast; and with fantastic definitions, that only make a ridiculous picture of themselves. Then, they charge each other with the potential to get the mark of the Beast. They think of almost everything but the real thing, which is given by the NT itself.

The mark of the Beast appears in conjunction with the Antichrist. Morphologically, the term Antichrist is composed of two words: Anti and Christ. Anti means to stand against or to contradict. Christ means what Christians believe Jesus was. So, what stands against Christ is only obvious that it means the Antichrist.

According to Matthew 5:17, Jesus declared that he had not come to abolish the Jewish laws. Then, 30 years later, Paul came and said that what Jesus said was not true, but rather that the Jewish laws were abolished on the cross. (Ephe. 2:15)

As we can see, Paul stood against what Jesus said by contradicting his words about his purpose regarding the Jewish laws. If Jesus was indeed Christ, as Christians believe he was, it's only obvious that Paul acted as the Antichrist.

Now, where did Paul say the Jewish laws were abolished? On the cross. And what did the cross mean to him? "God forbid," he said, "that I should glory in anything save in the cross." The cross meant the glory of Paul. (Gal. 6:14)

Now, we have the mark of the Beast: The cross, a symbol of shame and a curse to the Anointed of the Lord, who, in the words of Habakkuk 3:13, is the People of Israel, the Jewish People.

Now, your comments are welcome.

Ben.

[beloved57]

Hi beloved57, I don't find much fairness in this statement

So, truth is not based upon what you think is fair..

[kayky]

So, truth is not based upon what you think is fair..

This is a debate site. You cannot come here simply declaring the "truth" without providing evidence to support what you say. Otherwise, you are breaking the rules of this site.

[beloved57]

Does this mean that "God" did not "give you this wisdom or understanding" to be able to offer an explanation ?

That means i percieve your not spirtually capacitated to understand Truth, else what i have said would suffuce..

[beloved57]

This is a debate site. You cannot come here simply declaring the "truth" without providing evidence to support what you say.

Shut up you IDIOT..

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[I AM ALL I AM]

Does this mean that "God" did not "give you this wisdom or understanding" to be able to offer an explanation ?

That means i percieve your not spirtually capacitated to understand Truth, else what i have said would suffuce..

G'day Beloved57.

Okay, lets sort this out for the sake of clarification.

I posted this ...

G'day.

"Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six."

The number of the beast is the number of a man.

In numerology, 9 is the number representing man (humanity).

6 + 6 + 6 = 18 >>> 1 + 8 = 9

If you understand numerology, you can count the number of the beast, for in numerology each number is added together until there is one digit (except for 11 & 22).

Taking this a step further, the number 6 represents the creative aspect (among others).

LIES < 6 > TRUTH
PAIN < 6 > JOY
FEAR < 6 > LOVE

When lived positively, the 6 is very creative (TRUTH, JOY, LOVE).

When lived negatively, the 6 is very destructive (LIES, PAIN, FEAR).

With this understanding, the 'Mark of the Beast' can be seen within man by what is created. LIES, PAIN, FEAR would be seen through the destructive 'Mark', or 'Mark of the Beast', while TRUTH, JOY, LOVE would leave a creative 'Mark'.

... to which you responded with this ...

666 is basically the way man is born spiritually, with his darkened understanding of things of God..His way of life, His thinking outside of the special revealation of the Gospel..

Man thinks and trys to get right with God, the best way he can, but unless he is elect, he has no hope..

... I then posted this ...

666 is basically the way man is born spiritually, with his darkened understanding of things of God..His way of life, His thinking outside of the special revealation of the Gospel..

Man thinks and trys to get right with God, the best way he can, but unless he is elect, he has no hope..

G'day Beloved57.

Would you please explain why you believe that man is born spiritually, not spirit being born into a physical structure, and what that has to do with 666 ?

Also, would you please explain what it is that you mean by "elect" ?

... which you then responded to with this post ...

G'day Beloved57.

Would you please explain why you believe that man is born spiritually, not spirit being born into a physical structure, and what that has to do with 666 ?

666 is the number of man :

rev 13:

Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.


These are things that cannot be explained, God must give you this wisdom or understanding..

... which shows a few things. One of those being that you do not answer questions asked of you.

Do you have any form of evidence that "666 is basically the way man is born spiritually, with his darkened understanding of things of God" ?

For at the moment, your posturing and abuse of another member posting on this thread points at you not only having no evidence, but also that you do not understand what you have posted.

Genesis clearly states:

"And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul."

Which does not equate with what you have posted.

[Carico]

The Mark of the Beast

Christians, especially Protestants, and among them, the Seventh-Day Adventists in particular, enjoy to talk about the mark of the Beast; and with fantastic definitions, that only make a ridiculous picture of themselves. Then, they charge each other with the potential to get the mark of the Beast. They think of almost everything but the real thing, which is given by the NT itself.

The mark of the Beast appears in conjunction with the Antichrist. Morphologically, the term Antichrist is composed of two words: Anti and Christ. Anti means to stand against or to contradict. Christ means what Christians believe Jesus was. So, what stands against Christ is only obvious that it means the Antichrist.

According to Matthew 5:17, Jesus declared that he had not come to abolish the Jewish laws. Then, 30 years later, Paul came and said that what Jesus said was not true, but rather that the Jewish laws were abolished on the cross. (Ephe. 2:15)

As we can see, Paul stood against what Jesus said by contradicting his words about his purpose regarding the Jewish laws. If Jesus was indeed Christ, as Christians believe he was, it's only obvious that Paul acted as the Antichrist.

Now, where did Paul say the Jewish laws were abolished? On the cross. And what did the cross mean to him? "God forbid," he said, "that I should glory in anything save in the cross." The cross meant the glory of Paul. (Gal. 6:14)

Now, we have the mark of the Beast: The cross, a symbol of shame and a curse to the Anointed of the Lord, who, in the words of Habakkuk 3:13, is the People of Israel, the Jewish People.

Now, your comments are welcome.

Ben.

It's funny to see people try to think they know better than God does. Paul's explanations in Ephesians and Galatians mean that we are not bound by the law any more because Jesus fulfilled them for us. The law still exists but it exists to tell us what sin is. so you need to put the whole bible together, not take verses out of context with the rest of the bible.

[Cathar1950]

It's funny to see people try to think they know better than God does. Paul's explanations in Ephesians and Galatians mean that we are not bound by the law any more because Jesus fulfilled them for us. The law still exists but it exists to tell us what sin is. so you need to put the whole bible together, not take verses out of context with the rest of the bible.

It is funny that people think Paul knows more then God or that Paul's idea is upside-down and yet he advocates obeying Romans and Roman law.
Pul as yourself have reinterpreted the Hebrew writings and seem to misunderstand the whole Bible.

[I AM ALL I AM]

The law still exists but it exists to tell us what sin is.

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Often depicted as a wise old man with a long beard, the moon god Sin was one of the most important Babylonian gods. His main temples were situated at Ur and Harran. This relief from about 2300 bc shows Ur-Nammu, the first king of the third dynasty of Ur, making a sacrifice before Sin.

G'day Carico.

Sin is the Babylonian Moon God.

[Ben Masada]

The Mark of the Beast


It's funny to see people try to think they know better than God does. Paul's explanations in Ephesians and Galatians mean that we are not bound by the law any more because Jesus fulfilled them for us. The law still exists but it exists to tell us what sin is. so you need to put the whole bible together, not take verses out of context with the rest of the bible.

Why don't you enlighten us? Okay, you say that Jesus fulfilled the Law for us. Now, as you say above, the function of the Law is just to tell us what sin is. Does it mean we don't have to observe it?

Let's take a look at Matthew 5:19. It says in there that everyone of us must do exactly as Jesus did by observing and teaching down to the letter of the Law, or lose our right in the Kingdom of God. Now, tell me what you mean by putting the whole Bible together. Or perhaps you have changed your mind about what you said above?