Questions about Jesus and JW’s

[MissKate13]

1. Jehovah’s Witnesses say Jesus was “a god.” This is how the NWT reads (John 1:1).

Do JW’s believe Jesus was a true or false god?

2. JW’s say Jesus is a created being.

When was Jesus (capital or lower case g) created?

I look forward to your responses to one or both questions.

MissKate13

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G3956 (Thayer)
πᾶς pas
Thayer Definition:
1) individually
1a) each, every, any, all, the whole, everyone, all things, everything.

G3956 (Mounce)
πᾶς pas
1,243x: all; in the sg. the whole, entire,

NT:3956
pas: a totality of kinds or sorts - 'every kind of, all sorts of.'
(from Greek-English Lexicon Based on Semantic Domain. Copyright © 1988 United Bible Societies, New York. Used by permission.)

So? Onewithim is right, you copy paste from Lexicon but you still havent said what that means for our discusdion. What do you think that means ? (and don't bother with your percentages because there are no percentages in scripture).

I think nothing is left when it speaks of all.

Do you have a scripture which says Jehovah had "nothing left" after he gave Jesus "all" or did you just make that bit up?

With the definition of "all" specially from Louw and Nida Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament, said, as a totality of kinds or sorts - 'every kind of, all sorts of.'
Now, I think the point is clear, all is all. I just noticed JWs are not keen of consulting Bible lexicons, you will not know Bible words meaning at the time of its usage, especially when we based our belief to paraphrase translation that change Bible original wordings.
Bible text still the same John 16:15, I did not just make it up, it is based from the Bible text and Bible lexicon.

[JehovahsWitness]

With the definition of "all" specially from Louw and Nida Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament, said, as a totality of kinds or sorts - 'every kind of, all sorts of.'
Now, I think the point is clear, all is all.

The lexical point is clear but YOUR point is not clear to me... (Saying "all is all" is circular when we are trying to understand what "all" means ) What do you think "a kind" or "a sort " is? Can you explain in your own words how the above relates to your position? Do you understand what I am asking ?

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With the definition of "all" specially from Louw and Nida Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament, said, as a totality of kinds or sorts - 'every kind of, all sorts of.'
Now, I think the point is clear, all is all.

The lexical point is clear but YOUR point is not clear to me... (Saying "all is all" is circular when we are trying to understand what "all" means ) What do you think "a kind" or "a sort " is? Can you explain in your own words how the above relates to your position? Do you understand what I am asking ?

Ok, I'll just connect the word "all" to its lexical definition.
"All" is whole, entire, everything, all things, totality of the whole sort or kind of things.
Now, we can understand what the verse would have said if we used the Bible definition of the text.
"Whole, entire, everything what the Father has are mine."

[JehovahsWitness]

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"All" is ..., totality of the whole sort or kind of things.

"Kind" "sort" can you see those two words ... What do you think "a kind" or "a sort " is?

Do you understand the words in the lexicon that you copied?

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"All" is ..., totality of the whole sort or kind of things.

"Kind" "sort" can you see those two words ... What do you think "a kind" or "a sort " is?

Do you understand the words in the lexicon that you copied?

What do you understand about whole, entire, everything, all things? Isn't enough to understand the text?
All kind of things, all sort of things, whole, entire, everything what the Father had are mine. I believe that's what it mean.
Before I forget you haven't presented any verse of your counter text of John 16:15. Can you post it or it's just unBiblical?

[JehovahsWitness]

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"All" is ..., totality of the whole sort or kind of things.
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So you provide the lexical definition, YOU copy it out, you say that helps understand the correct meaning of "all" and yet ... you want to ignore some of the words in that definition? Is that about it?

The bible definition was the entire "of a kind" the whole "of a sort" . Let's just finish what you started and tell me what "a kind" or "a sort" means.

What would it mean to sort out these Jellybeans by colour ? If I wanted all the red ones, would I have the absolutely all the jelly beans or would I get the entirety of a sort of jellybean?

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...
"All" is ..., totality of the whole sort or kind of things.
...

So you provide the lexical definition, YOU copy it out, you say that helps understand the correct meaning of "all" and yet ... you want to ignore some of the words in that definition? Is that about it?

The bible definition was the entire "of a kind" the whole "of a sort" . Let's just finish what you started and tell me what "a kind" or "a sort" means.

What would it mean to sort out these Jellybeans by colour ? If I wanted all the red ones, would I have the absolutely all the jelly beans or would I get the entirety of a sort of jellybean?

By not addressing my request to post your counter text that prove your point would mean it's unBiblical?
I think I've already answered that, the verse said "all things", means all kind or sort of things what the Father has Jesus had it. No one could have said that text who was not equal with the Father. If Jesus had not been equal to God, could He have said this without blasphemy?

[JehovahsWitness]

...
"All" is ..., totality of the whole sort or kind of things.
...

So you provide the lexical definition, YOU copy it out, you say that helps understand the correct meaning of "all" and yet ... you want to ignore some of the words in that definition? Is that about it?

The bible definition was the entire "of a kind" the whole "of a sort" . Let's just finish what you started and tell me what "a kind" or "a sort" means.

What would it mean to sort out these Jellybeans by colour ? If I wanted all the red ones, would I have the absolutely all the jelly beans or would I get the entirety of a sort of jellybean?

...I think I've already answered that, the verse said "all things", means all kind or sort of things what the Father has Jesus had it.

You may sincerely believe you have answered but the reality is you have not. I cannot address your point until I understand what your point is. And I cannot understand your point unless you explain your understanding of the definition provided. The definition is "all of a sort" and yet you seem extremely reluctant to explain what you understand "a sort" or "a kind" to be. Yes, you keep copying the words but you have yet to demonstrate what you understand "a sort" or "a kind" to be. You have therefore not completed your answer.

I know you can copy into your post a definition from the lexicon (and this is not to humiliate you in any way), but if you are going to make a point from a definition, should it not include all the words in the definition. Do you understand what I am asking you ?

[Capbook]

...
"All" is ..., totality of the whole sort or kind of things.
...

So you provide the lexical definition, YOU copy it out, you say that helps understand the correct meaning of "all" and yet ... you want to ignore some of the words in that definition? Is that about it?

The bible definition was the entire "of a kind" the whole "of a sort" . Let's just finish what you started and tell me what "a kind" or "a sort" means.

What would it mean to sort out these Jellybeans by colour ? If I wanted all the red ones, would I have the absolutely all the jelly beans or would I get the entirety of a sort of jellybean?

...I think I've already answered that, the verse said "all things", means all kind or sort of things what the Father has Jesus had it.

You may sincerely believe you have answered but the reality is you have not. I cannot address your point until I understand what your point is. And I cannot understand your point unless you explain your understanding of the definition provided. The definition is "all of a sort" and yet you seem extremely reluctant to explain what you understand "a sort" or "a kind" to be. Yes, you keep copying the words but you have yet to demonstrate what you understand "a sort" or "a kind" to be. You have therefore not completed your answer.

I know you can copy into your post a definition from the lexicon (and this is not to humiliate you in any way), but if you are going to make a point from a definition, should it not include all the words in the definition. Do you understand what I am asking you ?

I think you just gaslight me. If you have the complete definition of what I posted, post it here so we can compare.

[JehovahsWitness]

If you have the complete definition of what I posted, post it here so we can compare.

Here is what you posted ...

With the definition of "all" specially from Louw and Nida Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament, said, as a totality of kinds or sorts - 'every kind of, all sorts of.'
Now, I think the point is clear, all is all.

Is there something above that you regret writing ?