Is my statement blasphemy to you?

[Wootah]

'Wootah is one with God and is in God and is equal to God.'

Is my statement blasphemy to you?

[onewithhim]

[Replying to onewithhim in post #36]

Could Jesus have grasped equality?

If he could that means he could be equal. If he could not grasp it then the sentence is meaningless.

What does it mean to you that he could grasp equality but didn't?

The verse is important because it shows that he wouldn't even think about it. It wouldn't cross his mind. He wasn't equal and he had no problem with that.

[Wootah]

[Replying to onewithhim in post #36]

Could Jesus have grasped equality?

If he could that means he could be equal. If he could not grasp it then the sentence is meaningless.

What does it mean to you that he could grasp equality but didn't?

The verse is important because it shows that he wouldn't even think about it. It wouldn't cross his mind. He wasn't equal and he had no problem with that.

Hebrews 4:14-16 New Century Version (NCV)
He was tempted in every way that we are, but he did not sin

The root sin since Adam and Eve was grasping equality. Jesus was tempted in every way. This had to be one of them.

So given that Jesus was tempted in every way we are could He grasp equality or not?

[kjw47]

Jesus only spoke the things from his God and Father-John 5:19,30.--SEE verse 30--He can do 0 of his own.

Now Jesus has no agency.

Is Jesus a robot from God for you?

Jesus did Gods work he was sent to do. John 17:4-- By use of his free will. He only did his God and Fathers will. John 5:30--by use of his free will.

[Wootah]

Jesus only spoke the things from his God and Father-John 5:19,30.--SEE verse 30--He can do 0 of his own.

Now Jesus has no agency.

Is Jesus a robot from God for you?

Jesus did Gods work he was sent to do. John 17:4-- By use of his free will. He only did his God and Fathers will. John 5:30--by use of his free will.

OK Jesus has free will. Could he have grasped equality with God or not?

[1213]

Back then, how do you know they weren't?

For example Paul says in the Bible "I am" the same way Jesus did.

Then why would the Pharisees try to stone Jesus to death for blasphemy?

It was not because of the word "I am", but allegedly because they thought Jesus was making himself God. But, anyone who listens Jesus, knows he told there is only one true God that is greater than him, meaning he is not claiming to be the God, or even as good as good. Certain people just wanted to get rid of Jesus, that is why they made false accusations.

[onewithhim]

[Replying to onewithhim in post #36]

Could Jesus have grasped equality?

If he could that means he could be equal. If he could not grasp it then the sentence is meaningless.

What does it mean to you that he could grasp equality but didn't?

The verse is important because it shows that he wouldn't even think about it. It wouldn't cross his mind. He wasn't equal and he had no problem with that.

Hebrews 4:14-16 New Century Version (NCV)
He was tempted in every way that we are, but he did not sin

The root sin since Adam and Eve was grasping equality. Jesus was tempted in every way. This had to be one of them.

So given that Jesus was tempted in every way we are could He grasp equality or not?

Adam and Eve thought they could be like God, but they were wrong. Actually it was Eve who really believed the serpent. Adam knew he could not equal God. Jesus knew also that he could not be equal to Jehovah and he wouldn't give it any serious thought. "He did not REGARD equality something to be grasped." (Philippians 2:6, NASB; NAB, NIV)

[Wootah]

[Replying to onewithhim in post #76]

The trouble here is that if Jesus never had the thought then, Jesus was not tempted in every way we are. This makes hebrews 4 false.

[Miles]

Back then, how do you know they weren't?

For example Paul says in the Bible "I am" the same way Jesus did.

If you can't cite the book, chapter, and verse why should I believe you? I shouldn't, and don't.

Then why would the Pharisees try to stone Jesus to death for blasphemy?

It was not because of the word "I am", but allegedly because they thought Jesus was making himself God.

And just what was it that Jesus said that made the Pharisees think "Jesus was making himself God"? How about "“Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I AM.” in John 8:58? The very same title god gave himself in Exodus 3:14, "where "God said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM”; and He said, “Thus you shall say to the sons of Israel, ‘I AM has sent me to you.’ ”

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[kjw47]

Jesus only spoke the things from his God and Father-John 5:19,30.--SEE verse 30--He can do 0 of his own.

Now Jesus has no agency.

Is Jesus a robot from God for you?

Jesus did Gods work he was sent to do. John 17:4-- By use of his free will. He only did his God and Fathers will. John 5:30--by use of his free will.

OK Jesus has free will. Could he have grasped equality with God or not?

No--God did all the powerful works through Jesus( Acts 2:22, 1Cor 8:5-6) and God created all the other things THROUGH Jesus ( Coll 1:15-16) God gave Jesus all authority in heaven and on earth. God appointed Jesus to a kingship. God taught Jesus all he knows.

[1213]

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And just what was it that Jesus said that made the Pharisees think "Jesus was making himself God"? How about "“Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I AM.” in John 8:58? The very same title god gave himself in Exodus 3:14, "where "God said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM”; and He said, “Thus you shall say to the sons of Israel, ‘I AM has sent me to you.’ ”

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Jesus doesn't say "I am I am", therefore the scripture doesn't mean he is calling himself God.