So is the resurrected Jesus flesh or spirit?

[Red Wolf]

In Luke's gospel Jesus tells his disciples after his resurrection.....
Luke 24:39(King James Version)
39Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.

I think that this verse is quite definite in saying that the risen Jesus was flesh.
But the Scriptures by the Apostle Paul in 1Corinthians 15 are quite definite that the risen Jesus is spirit.
1 Corinthians 15:45(King James Version)
And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
1 Corinthians 15:50(King James Version)
Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
So is the resurrected Jesus flesh or spirit?
Or is this just more evidence that the Bible is fiction?

[onewithhim]

[Replying to post 65 by brunumb]

Both Irenaeus and Tertullian[3] record that Polycarp had been a disciple of John the Apostle.[4] In Illustrious Men.17, Jerome writes that Polycarp was a disciple of John and that John had ordained him bishop of Smyrna.[5]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polycarp

Two witnesses of Apostle John

"Bishop" meaning, in our parlance today, "elder."

[tam]

Peace to you dear onewithhim,

[Replying to post 64 by tam]

No. All other scripture indicates that Jesus will be seen no more with the literal eye. Many times when Jesus spoke about "seeing" he was referring to understanding and then acting on that understanding.

But this is not the same way in which the disciples saw Him go.


"...This same [Jesus], who has been taken from you into heaven, will come back in the same way you have seen him go into heaven.�



I understand that 'see' can refer to understanding, and does refer to that in other places. But that (eyes of understanding)is not how the disciples saw Him go, here. Since the angels said that He would return in the same way that they (the disciples) saw Him go, then it does not make sense to use an alternate meaning to the word 'see' for His return.


I'm not trying to argue with you. Just something (for anyone who wishes) to bring to Jaheshua Himself, to ask Him so as to know truth on the matter from Him (the Truth).



Peace again to you,
- a slave of Christ,
tammy

[Yahwehismywitness]

[Replying to post 70 by onewithhim]

Because he says so he will come back in the same manner he left and all eyes will see him, 3 times he said so.

Behold, He is coming with clouds, and every eye will see Him, even they who pierced Him. And all the tribes of the earth will mourn because of Him. Even so, Amen. Revelation 1:7

And said, “Men of Galilee, why do you stand looking into heaven? This Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven, will come in the same way as you saw him go into heaven.� Acts 1:11

Then will appear in heaven the sign of the Son of Man, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. Matthew 24:30

[Yahwehismywitness]

'You will indeed hear but by no means get the sense of it, and you will indeed look but by no means SEE. For the heart of this people has grown unreceptive, and with their ears they have heard without response, and they have shut their eyes, so that they might never see with their eyes and get the sense of it with their hearts and turn back and I heal them.'" (Matthew 13:14,15)
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Great multitudes were gathered together he was teaching Matthew 13 about
Spirit of truth heart is where evil comes from - Matthew 15:19 Turn back means out of sin. Disobedience some fell among the thorns.

He is not talking about return here

[onewithhim]

[Replying to post 70 by onewithhim]

Because he says so he will come back in the same manner he left and all eyes will see him, 3 times he said so.

Behold, He is coming with clouds, and every eye will see Him, even they who pierced Him. And all the tribes of the earth will mourn because of Him. Even so, Amen. Revelation 1:7

And said, “Men of Galilee, why do you stand looking into heaven? This Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven, will come in the same way as you saw him go into heaven.� Acts 1:11

Then will appear in heaven the sign of the Son of Man, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. Matthew 24:30

I have explained, ad nauseum what is meant by "every eye shall see him." It would help our discussions if you would read people's posts. The world will "see" him with "eyes of understanding." "OH---I SEE!" I understand!

I can't believe that you and Tam and others can't see that Jesus went out of sight when he began ascending to heaven, as the clouds obscured people's vision. He will come back the same way---obscured from literal vision.

"While they were looking on, he was lifted up and a cloud caught him up from their vision." (Acts 1:9) They couldn't see him any more.



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[onewithhim]

'You will indeed hear but by no means get the sense of it, and you will indeed look but by no means SEE. For the heart of this people has grown unreceptive, and with their ears they have heard without response, and they have shut their eyes, so that they might never see with their eyes and get the sense of it with their hearts and turn back and I heal them.'" (Matthew 13:14,15)

Great multitudes were gathered together he was teaching Matthew 13 about
Spirit of truth heart is where evil comes from - Matthew 15:19 Turn back means out of sin. Disobedience some fell among the thorns.

He is not talking about return here[/quote]
No, but he is speaking about the fact that when someone says that they "see," it usually means that they understand. Jesus referred to that line of thinking there in the gospel of Matthew.


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[earl]

Back to the OP.
Jesus said,Jo.20.29,Because you have seen me you believe.
Every one misses this alternate verse.In this verse Thomas did not put his hands on Jesus.This will also flow with the verse where Jesus told Mary,Touch me not for I have not risen to the Father.Flesh and blood cannot appear ,disappear ,go through walls ,etc.But a spiritual body can.

[brianbbs67]

Back to the OP.
Jesus said,Jo.20.29,Because you have seen me you believe.
Every one misses this alternate verse.In this verse Thomas did not put his hands on Jesus.This will also flow with the verse where Jesus told Mary,Touch me not for I have not risen to the Father.Flesh and blood cannot appear ,disappear ,go through walls ,etc.But a spiritual body can.

You are right. There is no evidence Thomas actually touched Christ. But, why would Jesus ask him to do so after telling Mary not to do so?

[Checkpoint]

Back to the OP.
Jesus said,Jo.20.29,Because you have seen me you believe.
Every one misses this alternate verse.In this verse Thomas did not put his hands on Jesus.This will also flow with the verse where Jesus told Mary,Touch me not for I have not risen to the Father.Flesh and blood cannot appear ,disappear ,go through walls ,etc.But a spiritual body can.

You are right. There is no evidence Thomas actually touched Christ. But, why would Jesus ask him to do so after telling Mary not to do so?

Yes indeed - good question!

Does anyone have a viable answer?

[tam]

Peace to you!

Back to the OP.
Jesus said,Jo.20.29,Because you have seen me you believe.
Every one misses this alternate verse.In this verse Thomas did not put his hands on Jesus.This will also flow with the verse where Jesus told Mary,Touch me not for I have not risen to the Father.Flesh and blood cannot appear ,disappear ,go through walls ,etc.But a spiritual body can.

You are right. There is no evidence Thomas actually touched Christ. But, why would Jesus ask him to do so after telling Mary not to do so?

Yes indeed - good question!

Does anyone have a viable answer?

Christ does.


(That might seem like an obvious answer, I realize, but sometimes we forget that we can come to Him and ask questions. Might not get an answer right away, for various reasons: the answer might not something one can yet bear/understand - there may be other things a person must learn first; or it might not be time for something to be revealed. But He has promised to lead His sheep into all truth. So His sheep know that we can trust Him to do just that.)



Peace again to you,
your servant and a slave of Christ,
tammy