What proves Jesus is the Messiah? Did he fulfill prophecies

[Avoice]

What proof can anyone give that Jesus is the Messiah? Did he fulfull prophecies? If so, what orophecy and how did he fulfill it? Riding into into Jeusalem on an ass proves nothing. Many rode into Jerusalem on an ass. I too could ride in to Jerusalem on an ass. What else ya' got?

Needless to say any evidence MUST be supported by the Hebrew Scriptures

[Eloi]

[Replying to post 67 by Avoice]

Modern jews are still waiting for the Messiah. They don't think he already came once, since they think he will appear only once, and it will be definitive, giving the jews the total control of the world. Since all those they took as Messiah died, they had have to accept that they were not the one they are waiting for.

For a christian, Jesus is the Messiah, he already appeared once and he will appear again in another way to fulfill the part that has to do with his kingdom.

Heb. 9:28 so also the Christ was offered once for all time to bear the sins of many; and the second time that he appears it will be apart from sin and to those earnestly looking for him for [their] salvation.

[Avoice]

[Replying to post 70 by Eloi]

He had his second coming.

He failed then too.

Yeah, his second coming came and went. When he came out if the cave. He died and came back. So it says. Second coming

[brianbbs67]

[Replying to post 70 by Eloi]

He had his second coming.

He failed then too.

Yeah, his second coming came and went. When he came out if the cave. He died and came back. So it says. Second coming

I have pointed out that very thing. That his next coming, in the terrible day of our Lord, will be the third. People think I am crazy for this but I can count to 3 very easily....

[Avoice]

[Replying to post 72 by brianbbs67]

Second coming...third coming...fourth

Wake up Christians! If you want to believe in Jesus then believe what he says.

He said his work was FINISHED. The work he had to do was FINISHED.
FINISHED, OVER, DONE, FINITO. NO MORE..

I tell ya..I swear..Jesus could come down right now and say I'm not the Messiah and people would tell him he's wrong.

[JehovahsWitness]

[Replying to post 73 by Avoice]

WHAT DID JESUS MEAN WHEN HE CRIED OUT "TETELESTAI!"*?

• Amongst Jesus last words he is reported to have said, is the exclamation translated in many bible's "It is finished" in Greek "tetelestai"*. What was he refering to and what did he mean?
  
  *Whether Jesus actually spoke in his native Aremaic or Hebrew, the Greek writers presumably used the closest Greek term to reflect the original sentiment
  

  STRONGS # 5056
  
  "" tetelestai" from telos; to end, i.e. complete, execute, conclude, discharge (a debt):--accomplish, make an end, expire, fill up, finish, go over, pay, perform.

  Derivation: from G5056 telos
  

  VINES
  
  "to finish, to bring to an end" (telos, "an end"), frequently signifies, not merely to terminate a thing, but to carry out a thing to the full. It is used especially in the Apocalypse, where it occurs eight times, and is rendered "finish" in Revelation 10:7; Revelation 11:7, and in the RV of Revelation 15:1, which rightly translates it "(in them) is finished (the wrath of God)." So in Revelation 10:8; in Revelation 17:17, RV, "accomplish," and "finish" in Revelation 20:3, Revelation 20:5, Revelation 20:7; in Luke 2:39, RV, "accomplish," for AV, "performed."

  THAYER
  
  1) to bring to a close, to finish, to end
  1a) passed, finished
  2) to perform, execute, complete, fulfil, (so that the thing done corresponds to what has been said, the order, command etc.)
  2a) with special reference to the subject matter, to carry out the contents of a command
  2b) with reference also to the form, to do just as commanded, and generally involving the notion of time, to perform the last act which completes a process, to accomplish, fulfil
  3) to pay
  3a) of tribute

  So rather than simply signal "an end" as someone might say at the end of a film or show, tetelestai signals the accomplishment of a given task.

WHAT TASK?

• Earlier during his last recorded prayer with his disciples Jesus spoke about {quote} "the work [God] gave me to do' (17:4)" so arguably hours later at his death Jesus was referring to his mandated mission on earth as a human.

Would this not negate Jesus "return"?

• Some have argued that since Jesus voiced his belief that he had accomplished his work on earth, he could no longer return. Firstly it seems logical that fulfilling one task doesn't negate being given another, indeed depending on the circumstances on might well be asked to repeat the same task or be given a different task at the same location. Further, whatever was achieved by Jesus during his earthly ministry was within the parameters of him being a human. Arguably any return mission would be on an entirely different level, namely as a mighty SPIRIT being. (YHWH).
  
  Jesus made no secret of the fact that he would "return" on a different mission. This time not as the humble carpenter submitted to ill treatment and eventually unjust execution, but as Michael, the chief of God's army, to wage a final war against the wicked and vindicate His Father's name.

JW

Further Readjng
https://www.christianpost.com/news/what ... ss-160101/

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[JehovahsWitness]

[continued from post #74 by JehovahsWitness]

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[Avoice]

[Replying to post 74 by JehovahsWitness]

So, because he said the work God gave him to do was finished doesn't mean finished. Oh my. Oh no that can't mean finished. It must mean something else. If not then you are in trouble. So of course you won't accept this.

Jesus could come right out and say I am not the Messiah and I can't save anyone and no Christian would accept it. Dont blame Jesus for leading you on. Yeah he implied just enough to make you think he was something but for the most part he is a man made savior.

All he has done is made you look foolish to the world. Through him you orive your lack of knowledge of God. You speak of the miracles he performed as if that was evudentbif his greatness . But if you listened to Gid youd know better than to let his miracles impress you.
When Jesus asks have ye not read how he is to suffer and die Christians think Jesus is saying there is a passage that says that. No there isn't. He makes a fool of you

Jesus has told you that you can't count on him to talk to 'the father's for you
"At that day ye shall ask in my name: and I say not unto you, that I will pray the Father for you..."

One thing about Jesus - he has told you the truth. You just can't accept it.

He said I go my way and no one asks me where I am going. You don't know where he is going but you'll follow him into eternity anyway.

Jesus your king? He told you how he felt about that. Remember when they wanted to make him king? What did he do? He ran and hid. Some king. He don't want to be king. Pay attention to what he says and does. I know you want him to save you from the mess you are in but by simply admitting that you need to be saved is an admission that the laws still stand. If they didn't you wouldn't think you needed Jesus.

If you think Jesus replaced the law then okay. Then you are without sin. And if you are without sin you don't need anyone dying to save you from them. How can you be saved from something if you did bo wrong?

By believing in Jesus you hang yourself. Because by believing you need jesus is saying that your are guilty of breaking God's laws. So Jesus DIDNT replace the law. If he did then what are you worried about? You don't need Jesus if there are no laws for which to break.

You need Jesus? You really want to tell God you need Jesus? You might as well say: hey God..I know your laws still stand but we don't want to keep them. We'd rather you kill someone innocent so we can do what we want. Truth be told God we could have saved Jesus by doing what you told us to do. But then we couldn't go shopping on Saturdays. Or have shrimp coctail . Our kids couldn't play in the big game at school Friday night.

[Avoice]

[Replying to post 70 by Eloi]

So saying Jesus will be back makes Jesus the Messiah .

So if they die they aren't the Messiah . That's if you are Jewish

But if you are a Christian and someone dies then they are the Messiah.

Well then maybe one if the ones the Jews thought was the Messiah WAS the Messiah . You say the only reason they weren't the Messiah because the Jews are wrong about the Messiah coming back. That Christian's are right ! There will be a second coming! Then the ones who died qualifies as the Messiah. Just because the Jews don't believe in a second coming wouldn't change what you believe is the truth.

So why is Jesus the Messiah and the other ones who died aren't the Messiah ?

[marco]

So why is Jesus the Messiah and the other ones who died aren't the Messiah ?

Good question. We should always question the identity of those who claim to be divine. I wonder how Yahweh would fare if we questioned his credentials. He too has been built on the say-so of men, just like Jesus. Why throw away one imposter and leave a bigger one?

[Avoice]

Eloi - You believe the truth of the Messiah is that he will die and come back.

You say the Jews thought the Messiah came but they were wrong. And the reason they were wrong us because the person/s died. Therefore they weren't the Messiah .
And you base that on because the Jews don't believe the Messiah will due and come back .

But if the truth if the Messiah us that he will die and come back it wouldn't matter if the Jews didn't believe it. Therefore the ones that they thought were the Messiah could have been the messiah. They just haven't cone back

And as for Jesus dying once for all sins-. WHY DOES IT SAY THAT THE SACRIFICIAL SYSTEM WILL BE REINSTATED IN THE TEMPLE AND THAT THE MESSIAH WILL OFFER A SACRIFICE FOR HIMSELF AND ANOTHER FOR THE PEOPLE? I thought he died for all sins? Why will we the sacrificial system return? And if Jesus was a sinless messiah why should he offer up a sacrifice for himself? I thought he was the sacrifice?