What was the gospel/good news that Jesus taught the Apostles to share door to door and is the same currently shared??

[konagold3]

Aloha

Is it possible that Christians have Jesus' Gospel [good news] message incorrect or very incomplete??

Jesus sent the Apostles out door to door two by two sharing the Gospel of the Kingdom of Heaven.

Reportedly the people, the folks, heard them gladly.

The current Christian version of the gospel message is too premature to be the good news the Apostles of Jesus shared door to door since Jesus was yet to be put to death.

The current gospel runs along the lines [in part and a condensed version for purpose of this question], that God's only begotten Son, Jesus, died for the sins of mankind; it is only through Jesus sacrifice that mankind, humanity, is forgiven; and one must be saved, redeemed by the blood sacrifice of Jesus and then born again taking Jesus into ones heart and soul to enter eternal life in the kingdom of Heaven.

Given that the Apostles could not accept it when Jesus told them he would die and rise, it would not make sense for the Apostles to have said door to door in folks homes, words to the effect that : "Rabbi Jesus, Teacher, our master, is going to die for your sins to mortify "Our Father,[who, Jesus taught IS love,by the way] to appease a angry God who couldn't get over the default of Adam and Eve in the Garden to not live up to God's command to not partake of the fruit of the tree of knowledge"

Wouldn't it then make more sense if the Apostles door to door message were along the more appealing lines about the love of God that Jesus taught, something like the loving core of Jesus teachings perhaps that God is our Father and we are all members of the family of humanity each of us a child of God; that we are all family because we all have a Creator Parent in common; we should love God; we should love our neighbor as we love ourselves and do unto them as we would have done unto us; that the spirit of God resides in all of us we only need to listen and wholoves each one of us; and by belief in this we have life eternal

So is it possible in the aftermath of the resurrection and in reacting to the resurrection, did Peter and the Apostles and later Paul substitute the Big News for the Good News, thus creating a religion about Jesus rather than teaching folks how to live the religion OF Jesus and diluting His message of love??

Aloha

[Capbook]

Aloha

Is it possible that Christians have Jesus' Gospel [good news] message incorrect or very incomplete??

Jesus sent the Apostles out door to door two by two sharing the Gospel of the Kingdom of Heaven.

Reportedly the people, the folks, heard them gladly.

The current Christian version of the gospel message is too premature to be the good news the Apostles of Jesus shared door to door since Jesus was yet to be put to death.

The current gospel runs along the lines [in part and a condensed version for purpose of this question], that God's only begotten Son, Jesus, died for the sins of mankind; it is only through Jesus sacrifice that mankind, humanity, is forgiven; and one must be saved, redeemed by the blood sacrifice of Jesus and then born again taking Jesus into ones heart and soul to enter eternal life in the kingdom of Heaven.

Given that the Apostles could not accept it when Jesus told them he would die and rise, it would not make sense for the Apostles to have said door to door in folks homes, words to the effect that : "Rabbi Jesus, Teacher, our master, is going to die for your sins to mortify "Our Father,[who, Jesus taught IS love,by the way] to appease a angry God who couldn't get over the default of Adam and Eve in the Garden to not live up to God's command to not partake of the fruit of the tree of knowledge"

Wouldn't it then make more sense if the Apostles door to door message were along the more appealing lines about the love of God that Jesus taught, something like the loving core of Jesus teachings perhaps that God is our Father and we are all members of the family of humanity each of us a child of God; that we are all family because we all have a Creator Parent in common; we should love God; we should love our neighbor as we love ourselves and do unto them as we would have done unto us; that the spirit of God resides in all of us we only need to listen and wholoves each one of us; and by belief in this we have life eternal

So is it possible in the aftermath of the resurrection and in reacting to the resurrection, did Peter and the Apostles and later Paul substitute the Big News for the Good News, thus creating a religion about Jesus rather than teaching folks how to live the religion OF Jesus and diluting His message of love??

Aloha

No, Paul nor anyone else diluted Christ's message of love. If you read the Gospels and the letters of Paul, James, Peter, etc., you can see that they were very keen on preaching the message of love.

Can love save us?

According to Jesus, if you love Jehovah with all your heart, soul and mind, and your neighbor, you will be saved, (Matthew 22:37-39) because if you truly love Jehovah you will obey Him and do His will. Jesus said that he who does the will of his Father will be on the road to everlasting life, to be saved. (Matthew 7:21-23) Joel 2:32 says: "It must occur that everyone who calls on the name of Jehovah will get away safe."

So love does save people, as long as they love the true God and do His will. (Part of that will is to accept Jesus' sacrifice for sins.)

We are saved by grace through faith, not of works (do we do works because of love? Yes or no?)
That is to say, we do good works because we are already saved. (Eph 2:10)
I believe those whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord, have faith on the Lord. (Joel 2:32)
As faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. (Rom 10:17)

Eph 2:8-10
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

Matt 22:37-39
37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38 This is the first and great commandment.
39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Matt 7:21-22
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

Joel 2:32
32 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the Lord hath said, and in the remnant whom the Lord shall call.
KJV

You picked some good verses, some that I have referred people to. Now, you quoted Joel 2:32 from a version that leaves out Jehovah's name. Do you remember that wherever you see "LORD" in all capital letters, that is where men have substituted "LORD" for "Jehovah." The name is there in the original Hebrew text. Did you know that?

Yes I know, you mentioned "the name in the original Hebrew text", is it Jehovah or YHWH?
Then what's the point?

The name in the original Hebrew text is the Tetragrammaton (the Hebrew letters for YHWH) commonly translated as "Jehovah" in English language Bibles.
What was your point in quoting Joel 2:32?

The point is by grace of God we are saved by faith. I believe that is good news/gospel for mankind's salvation.

[onewithhim]

Aloha

Is it possible that Christians have Jesus' Gospel [good news] message incorrect or very incomplete??

Jesus sent the Apostles out door to door two by two sharing the Gospel of the Kingdom of Heaven.

Reportedly the people, the folks, heard them gladly.

The current Christian version of the gospel message is too premature to be the good news the Apostles of Jesus shared door to door since Jesus was yet to be put to death.

The current gospel runs along the lines [in part and a condensed version for purpose of this question], that God's only begotten Son, Jesus, died for the sins of mankind; it is only through Jesus sacrifice that mankind, humanity, is forgiven; and one must be saved, redeemed by the blood sacrifice of Jesus and then born again taking Jesus into ones heart and soul to enter eternal life in the kingdom of Heaven.

Given that the Apostles could not accept it when Jesus told them he would die and rise, it would not make sense for the Apostles to have said door to door in folks homes, words to the effect that : "Rabbi Jesus, Teacher, our master, is going to die for your sins to mortify "Our Father,[who, Jesus taught IS love,by the way] to appease a angry God who couldn't get over the default of Adam and Eve in the Garden to not live up to God's command to not partake of the fruit of the tree of knowledge"

Wouldn't it then make more sense if the Apostles door to door message were along the more appealing lines about the love of God that Jesus taught, something like the loving core of Jesus teachings perhaps that God is our Father and we are all members of the family of humanity each of us a child of God; that we are all family because we all have a Creator Parent in common; we should love God; we should love our neighbor as we love ourselves and do unto them as we would have done unto us; that the spirit of God resides in all of us we only need to listen and wholoves each one of us; and by belief in this we have life eternal

So is it possible in the aftermath of the resurrection and in reacting to the resurrection, did Peter and the Apostles and later Paul substitute the Big News for the Good News, thus creating a religion about Jesus rather than teaching folks how to live the religion OF Jesus and diluting His message of love??

Aloha

No, Paul nor anyone else diluted Christ's message of love. If you read the Gospels and the letters of Paul, James, Peter, etc., you can see that they were very keen on preaching the message of love.

Can love save us?

According to Jesus, if you love Jehovah with all your heart, soul and mind, and your neighbor, you will be saved, (Matthew 22:37-39) because if you truly love Jehovah you will obey Him and do His will. Jesus said that he who does the will of his Father will be on the road to everlasting life, to be saved. (Matthew 7:21-23) Joel 2:32 says: "It must occur that everyone who calls on the name of Jehovah will get away safe."

So love does save people, as long as they love the true God and do His will. (Part of that will is to accept Jesus' sacrifice for sins.)

We are saved by grace through faith, not of works (do we do works because of love? Yes or no?)
That is to say, we do good works because we are already saved. (Eph 2:10)
I believe those whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord, have faith on the Lord. (Joel 2:32)
As faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. (Rom 10:17)

Eph 2:8-10
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

Matt 22:37-39
37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38 This is the first and great commandment.
39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Matt 7:21-22
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

Joel 2:32
32 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the Lord hath said, and in the remnant whom the Lord shall call.
KJV

You picked some good verses, some that I have referred people to. Now, you quoted Joel 2:32 from a version that leaves out Jehovah's name. Do you remember that wherever you see "LORD" in all capital letters, that is where men have substituted "LORD" for "Jehovah." The name is there in the original Hebrew text. Did you know that?

Yes I know, you mentioned "the name in the original Hebrew text", is it Jehovah or YHWH?
Then what's the point?

The name in the original Hebrew text is the Tetragrammaton (the Hebrew letters for YHWH) commonly translated as "Jehovah" in English language Bibles.
What was your point in quoting Joel 2:32?

The point is by grace of God we are saved by faith. I believe that is good news/gospel for mankind's salvation.

That is true, but there is more. Jesus said that we must do the will of his Father (Matthew 7:21). We must also "call on the name of YHWH (Jehovah)" to be saved, according to Joel 2:32. He can't be ignored.

[Capbook]

Aloha

Is it possible that Christians have Jesus' Gospel [good news] message incorrect or very incomplete??

Jesus sent the Apostles out door to door two by two sharing the Gospel of the Kingdom of Heaven.

Reportedly the people, the folks, heard them gladly.

The current Christian version of the gospel message is too premature to be the good news the Apostles of Jesus shared door to door since Jesus was yet to be put to death.

The current gospel runs along the lines [in part and a condensed version for purpose of this question], that God's only begotten Son, Jesus, died for the sins of mankind; it is only through Jesus sacrifice that mankind, humanity, is forgiven; and one must be saved, redeemed by the blood sacrifice of Jesus and then born again taking Jesus into ones heart and soul to enter eternal life in the kingdom of Heaven.

Given that the Apostles could not accept it when Jesus told them he would die and rise, it would not make sense for the Apostles to have said door to door in folks homes, words to the effect that : "Rabbi Jesus, Teacher, our master, is going to die for your sins to mortify "Our Father,[who, Jesus taught IS love,by the way] to appease a angry God who couldn't get over the default of Adam and Eve in the Garden to not live up to God's command to not partake of the fruit of the tree of knowledge"

Wouldn't it then make more sense if the Apostles door to door message were along the more appealing lines about the love of God that Jesus taught, something like the loving core of Jesus teachings perhaps that God is our Father and we are all members of the family of humanity each of us a child of God; that we are all family because we all have a Creator Parent in common; we should love God; we should love our neighbor as we love ourselves and do unto them as we would have done unto us; that the spirit of God resides in all of us we only need to listen and wholoves each one of us; and by belief in this we have life eternal

So is it possible in the aftermath of the resurrection and in reacting to the resurrection, did Peter and the Apostles and later Paul substitute the Big News for the Good News, thus creating a religion about Jesus rather than teaching folks how to live the religion OF Jesus and diluting His message of love??

Aloha

No, Paul nor anyone else diluted Christ's message of love. If you read the Gospels and the letters of Paul, James, Peter, etc., you can see that they were very keen on preaching the message of love.

Can love save us?

According to Jesus, if you love Jehovah with all your heart, soul and mind, and your neighbor, you will be saved, (Matthew 22:37-39) because if you truly love Jehovah you will obey Him and do His will. Jesus said that he who does the will of his Father will be on the road to everlasting life, to be saved. (Matthew 7:21-23) Joel 2:32 says: "It must occur that everyone who calls on the name of Jehovah will get away safe."

So love does save people, as long as they love the true God and do His will. (Part of that will is to accept Jesus' sacrifice for sins.)

We are saved by grace through faith, not of works (do we do works because of love? Yes or no?)
That is to say, we do good works because we are already saved. (Eph 2:10)
I believe those whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord, have faith on the Lord. (Joel 2:32)
As faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. (Rom 10:17)

Eph 2:8-10
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

Matt 22:37-39
37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38 This is the first and great commandment.
39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Matt 7:21-22
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

Joel 2:32
32 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the Lord hath said, and in the remnant whom the Lord shall call.
KJV

You picked some good verses, some that I have referred people to. Now, you quoted Joel 2:32 from a version that leaves out Jehovah's name. Do you remember that wherever you see "LORD" in all capital letters, that is where men have substituted "LORD" for "Jehovah." The name is there in the original Hebrew text. Did you know that?

Yes I know, you mentioned "the name in the original Hebrew text", is it Jehovah or YHWH?
Then what's the point?

The name in the original Hebrew text is the Tetragrammaton (the Hebrew letters for YHWH) commonly translated as "Jehovah" in English language Bibles.
What was your point in quoting Joel 2:32?

The point is by grace of God we are saved by faith. I believe that is good news/gospel for mankind's salvation.

That is true, but there is more. Jesus said that we must do the will of his Father (Matthew 7:21). We must also "call on the name of YHWH (Jehovah)" to be saved, according to Joel 2:32. He can't be ignored.

If you have faith will you not call God? God said, pray without ceasing, and by praying that is faith in Him.(Eph 2:8)
Mat 7:21 that is Eph 2:10.

[onewithhim]

[Replying to Capbook in post #63]

To reply again to the OP---Jesus himself said that the "good news" was about the Kingdom of God, and his followers were to preach about it. This Kingdom is an actual government that will replace all human governments, with Christ as the King.

"He [Jesus] said to them, 'I must preach the kingdom of God to other cities also, for I was sent for this purpose.'" (Luke 4:43, NASB)

"This gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all the nations, and then the end will come." (Matthew 24:14, NASB)

That is the gospel, according to Jesus' own words.

[Capbook]

[Replying to Capbook in post #63]

To reply again to the OP---Jesus himself said that the "good news" was about the Kingdom of God, and his followers were to preach about it. This Kingdom is an actual government that will replace all human governments, with Christ as the King.

"He [Jesus] said to them, 'I must preach the kingdom of God to other cities also, for I was sent for this purpose.'" (Luke 4:43, NASB)

"This gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all the nations, and then the end will come." (Matthew 24:14, NASB)

That is the gospel, according to Jesus' own words.

The good news (gospel) for me is to have everlasting life by believing in Jesus and not to perish.

Jhn 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life

[onewithhim]

[Replying to Capbook in post #63]

To reply again to the OP---Jesus himself said that the "good news" was about the Kingdom of God, and his followers were to preach about it. This Kingdom is an actual government that will replace all human governments, with Christ as the King.

"He [Jesus] said to them, 'I must preach the kingdom of God to other cities also, for I was sent for this purpose.'" (Luke 4:43, NASB)

"This gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all the nations, and then the end will come." (Matthew 24:14, NASB)

That is the gospel, according to Jesus' own words.

The good news (gospel) for me is to have everlasting life by believing in Jesus and not to perish.

Jhn 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life

What is your opinion about what Jesus said about the good news?