JESUS IS NOT YHWH

[onewithhim]

Jesus prayed to YHWH, the Father, not to himself. (E.g., Matthew 26:39,42; John 11:41,42; John 17:1-26.) Would he have been praying to himself?

He continually referred to himself as "God's SON," not YHWH Himself. (John 5:19; John 8:28,29; John 10:36; John 17:1.) Even the Jews who hated him recognized that fact (John 19:7). Can he be his own Son?

He applied Isaiah 61:1,2 to himself, at Luke 4:17-21, showing that he was the one anointed BY YHWH, and sent BY YHWH. There are incontrovertibly two Persons mentioned in the passage, and YHWH is the One calling the shots. The anointed one does what YHWH wants. How could they be the same Person?

Psalm 110 is also applied to Jesus at Acts 2:34,35. He is the "Lord," or Messiah, that YHWH speaks to. Was YHWH talking to Himself?


I think that just these few points would show plainly that Jesus is not YHWH. Can anyone explain how THESE REFERENCES, ABOVE, can possibly agree with the premise that Jesus is YHWH? I'm not asking for other Scriptures to be brought in without commenting ON the verses I am asking about. Please give me your reasoning concerning these particular Scriptures. Thank you.

[Falling Light 101]

Remember   the  facts.

1Co 15:24  Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. 

Yahashua is bringing the kingdom the God and Father  -  he is submitting  and  delivering the kingdoms of the earth  -  the worldly kingdoms  and  submitting all he has accomplished in putting away  /  putting  down the devil  and  putting away death.

HE  IS  DELIVERING   AND   SUBMITTING  THIS  ACCOMPLISHED  WORK  TO   GOD   .....

1Co 15:24  Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God,

BUT
The Trinitarian Translation alters  and changes the passage in  -   1Co 15:27

Here,  Yahashua has put all things in the earth   -  beneath  his  feet  -   all the worldly kingdoms and even death and Satan   -   have been subdued and put down.

*      1Co 15:27      -     THIS  IS THE  VERSE  THAT  SAYS  THAT  THE  GOD  THE  FATHER  IS   EXEMPTED  AND  NOT  INCLUDED  /  EXCLUDED   -  GOD   THE  FATHER   IS   EXCLUDED  and    excepted  and GOD  is  not a part of the  worldly kingdoms  and  putting away the devil and death.

these are the things that are put beneath  Yahashua's   feet   -    Yahashua  is  delivering  up  the  worldly kingdom to God.

But the Trinitarians change  1Co 15:27    -  to  say
1Co 15:26  The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death. 

1Co 15:27  For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him. 
Here is what the manuscripts say...................      word   for  word   exactly

1Co 15:27  παντα  ALL  -   γαρ  FOR   -   υπεταξεν   SUBUCATE  -      υπο  UNDER    - τους  THE   -    ποδας  FEET    -   αυτου    HIM    -    οταν  WHEN   -   δε  ALSO   ειπη  SAID  -   οτι  THAT  -    παντα  ALL    -    υποτετακται   IS  SUBUCATED -            δηλον   MANIFESTS     -       οτι   THAT   -        εκτος  EXCEPT   -      του  FOR    -           υποταξαντος    SUBUCATING      -   αυτω  HIMSELF    -  τα   THE             -     παντα   ALL.

Verse 27:  explains   -     WHEN HE SAID  -   ALL  THINGS   ARE  SUBMITTED,  IT  IS  MANIFEST  THAT  THE  SON  -    IS  EXEMPTED,   :”  NOT  INCLUDED  “   The Son  -      -         does  not  submit  himself.
 
The Greek says   exactly   
     ALL     FOR       SUBUCATE  -         UNDER       THE      FEET    -        HIM       WHEN      ALSO      SAID     THAT     ALL        IS      SUBUCATED -                MANIFESTS     -      THAT      EXCEPT      FOR       SUBUCATING     HIMSELF    THE     ALL.

this is very different  from  your  Trinitarian  Translation.

My question was

Why WOULD  THE  SON  -  WHO   "   BRINGING   THE  KINGDOM   "   THE GOD  AND  FATHER   AND  IS SUBMITING     THE  SUBUCATED  KINGDOMS  OF THE EARTH  TO  GOD  -
  HE  IS  SUBMITTING   DEATH  AND  THE  RESURECTED  BODY  OF  BELIEVERS  WHOM  HE HAS  REDEEMED   
WHY WOULD HE BE SAID TO  BE  EXEMPTING AND  EXCLUDING  GOD  THE  FATHER   -  FROM   AND  LEAVING  THE FATHER   OUT  OF THE  SUBJECTED GROUP  OF  THE WORLD  KINGDOMS  -   THAT  THE  SON  HAS  SUBDUED  AND  PUT  BENEATH  HIS  FEET    -  and  is  here  submitting  and  bringing  these  subdued kingdoms and subdued death  and  Satan   -  he is  submitting all of this to  God.

WHY  would  God  the Father  need to be  EXEMPTED  AND  EXCLUDED  -  FROM   AND  LEFT  OUT  AND   SEPERATED  FROM  THE  SUBJECTED  SUBDUED  GROUP  OF  THE WORLD  KINGDOMS  -   THAT  THE  SON  HAS  SUBDUED  AND  PUT  BENEATH  HIS  FEET .

To the  point  that  we need a verse to tell us that  the Father  /  God  is not  a part of  the  devil  and  death  and the worldly kingdoms put beneath  Yahashua's  feet
we need a reminder to tell us that the  Father is not a part of the Devil  and of death  that have been put down and  put beneath  Yahashua's  feet

This is ridiculously mistranslated. and also  Verse   -   :28

Verse   -   :28    οταν   When   -   δε   also   -    υποταγη    -    submitting    -       αυτω  him     -      τα G3588  this   -    παντα   all    -     τοτε   then        -        και  also    -     αυτος    he   -    ο   the    -                 υιος   Son        -         υποταγησεται  submits     -   τω    the      -       υποταξαντι    submission      -         αυτω    to himself,    -      τα    this    -      παντα    all   -       ινα   for        -        η    is -       ο    the    -     θεος    God    -           τα   this     -          παντα   all    -    εν   in    -       πασιν    all.

What  Verse :28  -  is saying in the original manuscripts is     -  that the  Son
υποταγησεται     submits   -    τω    the      -  υποταξαντι 
  submission     -    αυτω         to himself, 

   When  also submitting  him  this  all,  then the  Son  submits  the  submission  to himself,  this  all  for  is  the  God  this  all  in  all.

Take a look at the Greek   ,  notice the  two  words  side by side   -      submits  and  the  submission

 υποταγησεται     submits                     -    τω    the                     -  υποταξαντι    submission 
 αυτω         to himself, 

The Trinitarian Translation  even  changed  verse  : 28   to  say

             "   subject unto him that put all things under him  "

But the Greek word    -   αὐτός   is  a  reflexive pronoun self, HIMSELF   - her, it (-self), one,  ([self-], the) same,       -      [your-] selves, she, that, their (-s), them ([-selves])

  τοτε   then        -        και  also    -     αυτος    he   -    ο   the    -                 υιος   Son        -         υποταγησεται  submits     -   τω    the      -       υποταξαντι    submission      -         αυτω    to himself,    -   

Yahashua   has already    ALREADY   HAS  JUST    submitted  all of these things to God in the previous sentence   -    this is done  -    but ending  in  verse  : 28

he is now  submitting  the  submission  he has made  "     to  himself "       as  God  -  as he  is  God  - that he   {  Yahashua   } should be all in all. 

  Yahashua is here returning to and takings his spiritual place, returning upon the throne of the Father  -  returning back to the Father from where he originated.

but 
The Trinitarian teaches that son  -  He  must     -  he must be a part of  the subdued    in order that God may be all in all.  In other words, unless the son submits himself to the father  -  as part of  the subdued beneath his very feet

unless   -   the  Son  accepts that he is a part of  the subdued   -  part of the Devil, a part of death  and a part of the worldly  kingdoms that are to be submitted and delivered to God 

 -    then God  is incapable of  maybe,  possibly  becoming  all  in  all. 

[onewithhim]

[Replying to Falling Light 101 in post #561]

"A man of war" is a metaphor....our great God is not a man that can fit onto a tiny planet in our universe. He cannot take on puny flesh and subject himself to the indignities of life on this pin-prick of a planet. As King Solomon said to Jehovah: "Will God truly dwell upon the earth? Look! The heavens, yes, the heavens of the heavens cannot contain you." (1 Kings 8:27)

Jesus was born a perfect man on this earth. He came to represent his Father, Jehovah. He acted and spoke just the way Jehovah told him to, and he was good with that. "No man has seen God at any time; the only-begotten Son who is in the bosom with the Father is the one that has explained Him." (John 1:18)

[Falling Light 101]

I do understand and respect your insight and perspective - that the mentioning of YAAHAWHA as a man of war - is simply a metaphor.

Exo 15:3 YAAHAWHA is a man of war: YAAHAWHA is his name. - However, there are other mentions referring to YAAHAWHA appearing or manifesting himself on earth as a man. - There is also the passage in Isa 42:13 

:13  - YAAHAWHA shall go forth a mighty man, he shall stir up jealousy a man of war: he shall cry, yea, roar; he shall prevail against his enemies. 


in Gen - 18 three men appeared to Abraham - one of the men was YAAHAWHA and the other two men were angels


Gen - 18:1  YAAHAWHA appeared unto him " Abraham " in the plains of Mamre: and he sat in the tent door in the heat of the day; 

:2  ........ three men stood by him: and when he saw them, he ran to meet them from the tent door, and bowed himself toward the ground, 

:4  Let a little water, I pray you, be fetched, and wash your feet, and rest yourselves under the tree: 

:5  And I will fetch a morsel of bread, and comfort ye your hearts; ..........................  :8  And he took butter, and milk, and the calf which he had dressed, and set it before them; and he stood by them under the tree, and they did eat. 

:16  And the men rose up from thence, and looked toward Sodom: and Abraham went with them to bring them on the way. 

:17  YAAHAWHA said, Shall I hide from Abraham that thing which I do;  ...... :20  YAAHAWHA said, Because the cry of Sodom and Gomorrah is great, and because their sin is very grievous; 

:22  And the men turned their faces from thence, and went toward Sodom: but Abraham stood yet before YAAHAWHA .
 
:33  YAAHAWHA went his way, as soon as he had left communing with Abraham: and Abraham returned unto his place. 

WE FIND THAT AFTER YAAHAWHA who appeared to Abraham AS A MAN - AFTER YAAHAWHA left and departed, the other two men who were angels went to Sodom.

Gen 19:1  And there came two angels to Sodom at even; and Lot sat in the gate of Sodom: and Lot seeing them rose up to meet them; and he bowed himself with his face toward the ground; 

There are other examples of YAAHAWHA appearing on earth - as a man - Exo 15:3 YAAHAWHA is a man of war: YAAHAWHA is his name. -

and Isa 42:13  - YAAHAWHA shall go forth a mighty man, he shall stir up jealousy a man of war: he shall cry, yea, roar; he shall prevail against his enemies.  -

Does not these descriptions make it abundantly clear that Gods spirit has manifested / MORPHED as a man and taken on the form of a man ?
and that is more than just a metaphor ?
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[onewithhim]

I do understand and respect your insight and perspective - that the mentioning of YAAHAWHA as a man of war - is simply a metaphor.

Exo 15:3 YAAHAWHA is a man of war: YAAHAWHA is his name. - However, there are other mentions referring to YAAHAWHA appearing or manifesting himself on earth as a man. - There is also the passage in Isa 42:13 

:13  - YAAHAWHA shall go forth a mighty man, he shall stir up jealousy a man of war: he shall cry, yea, roar; he shall prevail against his enemies. 


in Gen - 18 three men appeared to Abraham - one of the men was YAAHAWHA and the other two men were angels

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Jehovah is no more a mere man than he actually literally roars.

And Jehovah never has, himself, come down to this planet. He had his Son represent him, and Jesus did, as a close Son who has observed his Father over billions of years and learned to imitate his Father. He has said this himself. (John 5:19)

The three "men" that visited Abraham were Jesus and two other angels. Jesus is referred to as "Jehovah" because he represents Jehovah.

[Revelations won]

Onewithhim said:

“6) Yes, there are two names under heaven whereby we must be saved. .”

My response is: The fact is that you are clearly denying what is taught in the New Testament as quoted below in Acts 4:11-12.

Acts 4:11This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner. 12Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved. “

I have made it very clear that Jehovah (Christ) is the creator of the world under the direction of God the Father and is the Redeemer and Savior of the world.

I have two important questions for you.


Do you hereby declare Acts 4:11-12 to be false scripture?

2. If Jesus Christ had failed in his mission to accomplish the “Atonement” could there have been salvation and exaltation and any atonement for sins without Christ?


Faber in post #23 quoted:

From https://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/worship-jesus.php
Jehovah's Witnesses worshipped Jesus until 1954, after which they were told such worship was idolatrous. This made them a polytheistic religion for most of their history. The core to religion is God, and to change the God you worship is to change the very essence and basis of the religion.
So originally JWs worshiped two gods.


JW said:

PROSKYNEO

Prior to January 1st 1954 Jehovah's Witness did not fully understand that the word Greek word “pros·ky·ne′o" is properly rendered - according to the context (“do obeisance†pay homage, bow down). As a result, it was systematically rendered "worship" in the society's publications regardless of whether it was applied to Jesus or Jehovah. A fuller understanding lead to a revision in rendition, clarifying their historic position that worship belonged exclusively to Jehovah and "obeisance" to Jesus (see (John 9: 38; Philipians 2: 10).

PROSKYNEO Ï€Ïοσκυνέω -
"To express in attitude or gesture one’s complete dependence on or submission to a high authority figure, (fall down and) worship, do obeisance to, prostrate oneself before, do reverence to, welcome respectfully" - Arndt, William ; Danker, Frederick W. Bauer, Walter BDAG: A Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament and Other Early Christian Literature.

Onewithhim said:

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by onewithhim » Tue May 25, 2021 7:02 pm
[Replying to Falling Light 101 in post #561]

"A man of war" is a metaphor....our great God is not a man that can fit onto a tiny planet in our universe. He cannot take on puny flesh and subject himself to the indignities of life on this pin-prick of a planet. As King Solomon said to Jehovah: "Will God truly dwell upon the earth? Look! The heavens, yes, the heavens of the heavens cannot contain you." (1 Kings 8:27)

Jesus was born a perfect man on this earth. He came to represent his Father, Jehovah. He acted and spoke just the way Jehovah told him to, and he was good with that. "No man has seen God at any time; the only-begotten Son who is in the bosom with the Father is the one that has explained Him." (John 1:18)


My response:

I disagree with your interpretation of the above paragraph, for the scriptures testify to the following:

Hebrews 4:
15
For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.

Hebrews5:
8
Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;
9
And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;

Onewithhim said:

“And Jehovah never has, himself, come down to this planet. He had his Son represent him, and Jesus did, as a close Son who has observed his Father over billions of years and learned to imitate his Father. He has said this himself. (John 5:19)

My responses:

John 5:
17
But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work.
18
Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.
19
Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.
20
For the Father loveth the Son, and sheweth him all things that himself doeth: and he will shew him greater works than these, that ye may marvel.
21
For as the Father raiseth up the dead, and quickeneth them; even so the Son quickeneth whom he will.
22
For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:
23
That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.

According to your above claim you deny that the "word of God" never created the earth, that he never planted the "garden of Eden", that he never appeared to Moses on the Holy Mount, that he never spake to Moses face to face or appeared to anyone else upon this earth.???


“The three "men" that visited Abraham were Jesus and two other angels. Jesus is referred to as "Jehovah" because he represents Jehovah.”

My response:

Can you clearly provide scriptures that prove that it was Jesus and two angels who visited Abraham???

Kind regards,
RW

[Falling Light 101]

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These are all such good insightful and perceptive posts / comments and I really enjoy reading what everyone has to say.

But when we are using a Trinitarian One Step Theology entirely based upon a Trinitarian Translation - our scope and contact and the lens we are looking through is always going to be warped, skewed and perverted.

From looking at the original Greek manuscripts in Act 4:12 - there is a difference in the way the Trinitarian Translators have altered this passage.

KJV - Act 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

Greek Manuscripts

:12 - και AND - ουκ NOT - εστιν IS THERE - εν IN - αλλω ANOTHER - ουδενι ANYTHING
- η THAT IS - σωτηρια SALVATION - ουτε NEITHER - γαρ THEN - ονομα A NAME
- εστιν IS THERE - ετερον - ANY OTHER - υπο BY - τον THE - ουρανον HEAVEN
- το THAT - δεδομενον IS GIVEN - εν IN - ανθρωποις MANKIND - εν IN - ω THAT
- δει MUST - σωθηναι SAVE - ημας US



The truth is - Trinitarians wholly affirm that God is Three Different, Distinct, Separated Divine Persons who are “ ALL THREE “ Eternally -

ETERNALLY - CO- Equal and Eternally CO – Eternal and Eternally Co - Omnipresent - yet - Eternally ONE SINGLE GOD. - As 3 separate / distinct persons.

The real question is

But the Truth is - “ 'If Yahashua was always “ AT “ the right HAND of God , where did he exist before he was located / or placed to be there ? “

Because that the Trinitarian Bible Translation clearly states says concerning Jesus

Mat 22:44 -------- Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool?
Mar 12:36 -------- Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool.
Act 2:34 -------- Sit thou on my right hand, Until I make thy foes thy footstool.

HERE WE SEE that Jesus, the son is not previously or formerly sitting / dwelling on the right hand of God…

God is saying of Jesus - SIT HERE UNTIL THIS TIME COMES

If God is commanding Jesus to sit on his right hand - this means that Jesus was not formally or previously sitting there - or God would not have cause or reason to command Jesus to relocate himself and then place himself there - ON HIS RIGHT HAND.
JESUS IS BEING ASKED TO BE RE - POSITIONED - TO SIT IN ANOTHER LOCATION

- and - this place, “ at the right hand of God “ is not where God intends Jesus to sit for eternity or as a permanent location.

Jesus is only to be there UNTIL a certain time passes. AFTER THIS TIME EXPIRES -
Mar 12:36 -------- Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool.

The idea that ------ Jesus-Holy Spirit is omnipresent, or that - He is everywhere.

This is not what the TRINITARIAN Bible TRANSLATION is saying..

Jesus is relocated to a different seat or place and he is told that he will be seated or present there - O N L Y - until a specific duration of time - until a specific action is completed.

This already proves that Jesus here - was not omnipresent … … … … … …

This means that Jesus was not always there and that he will not always be there / Jesus is being relocated, passing from one location and moving to another location - a location where he was not previously - and not omnipresent he will be REMOVED and TAKEN OUT, AWAY from the RIGHT HAND OF GOD - once the time has expired… … … … … … ..

Jesus is told - Sit thou here - on my right hand, until - this time has come.

I simply cannot obtain an answer from the Trinitarian believer… ..
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The reason Trinitarians have no answers for their many contradictions is because their Translation is perverted.

In fact - never , ever , NEVER is the Greek word " ON " or " AT " used in the Greek manuscripts to describe Jesus sitting ON OR AT the right of the father.

The Greek words are always IN and OUT OF THE RIGHT OF GOD.

The trinitarian translators deleted and removed the word " IN " the right of power, " IN " throne of the father - and deleted the Greek word " IN " from Rom 8:34 Christ in G1722 - ἐν - en - en in in the right of God, who also maketh intercession for us.

Eph 1:20 Christ in ἐν - en - en in his own G848 αὑτοῦ / hautou " OWN "
how-too' - right ἐν - en - en in the heavenly place.

Heb 12:2 Christ is set ἐν - en - en in the right of the throne of God.
Heb 1:3 Christ is..... the express image of The Fathers confidence, .... sat down ἐν - en - en in in the right of the Majesty ἐν - en - en in the high.
Heb 8:1 Christ is set ἐν - en - en in the right of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens;
Heb 10:12 Jesus is forever sat down ἐν - en - en in the right of God;
1Pe 3:22 Who is gone into heaven, and is ἐν - en - en in the right of God;

and they replaced Jesus to exist and dwell and sit simply " AT / OR or NEAR " the physical right right " HAND " of the Throne, Of God and Of Power

In fact - never , ever , NEVER is the Greek word " ON " or " AT " used in the Greek manuscripts to describe Jesus sitting ON OR AT the right of the father.

The Greek words are always IN and OUT OF THE RIGHT OF GOD.

this is just one of the thousands of altered passages - where Trinitarians have altered and changed and modified the passages of the manuscript. All you can do - using the Trinitarian Translation is simply orbit around and around solving one contradiction by jumping to another contradiction/

[JehovahsWitness]

This means that Jesus was not always there and that he will not always be there / Jesus is being relocated, passing from one location and moving to another location - a location where he was not previously - and not omnipresent...

Hello Light, good to see you.

I would agree that Psalms 110 is indicating a change as well as that Jesus had been asked to "wait" for a period until added authority is given him (I dont think right hand is speaking about literal location so much as position of privilege and favor) . Trinitarians certainly would have a problem saying that both are equal YHWH and Jesus (The Word) are actually equal given this passage.




JW

[Falling Light 101]

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Hello - JehovahsWitness Savant
Thank you kindly for responding to my post, it was so very inspiring to read what you had to say, I enjoy reading what you have to say.

Please remember, that every single last one of these multiple passages that repeat the phrase, as we see in - Mat 22:44 

Saying :44  - Sit thou “ EX / ἐξ “ OUT OF / FROM - exit my right.

Every single last one of these repeated passages, always use the same exact Greek word “ EX = ἐξ “
Meaning = - OUT OF / FROM. _ exit


In the Greek manuscripts, there is no such a verse that says “ SIT ON or AT MY RIGHT “
The Greek word is always - “ EX / ἐξ “ exit / from or out or of

But your Jehovah Witness faith and translation - is in just as much error and just as mistranslated as the Trinitarian mistranslation.

The fact is - both translations, portray a change in either position or favor and a change or alteration of privilege

But

THE WORD MADE FLESH - Yahashua - IS NOT BEING RELOCATED OR REPOSITIONED in the manuscripts - by simply being seated IN or OUT OF or ON or AT the Right or Right Hand Of God

and

THE WORD MADE FLESH - Yahashua - IS NOT BEING GRANTED PRIVILEGES AND FAVOR in the manuscripts. by simply being seated IN or OUT OF or ON or AT the Right or Right Hand Of God.

Because the Greek word is not “ ON or AT “ - the Right Of God- Yahashua is never seated AT or ON the right of God.

The Greek manuscripts always use the word IN and OUT of the right of God.

Yahashua, THE WORD / GOD - MADE FLESH / THE SON OF GOD - he is already IN the Right Of God - eternally. But God creates a MORPH OF HIMSELF that he places OUT OF his right - but yet is IN the Right at the same time

HE EXISTS FROM GOD - EXITING OUT OF GOD - to sit IN the right of God

I understand your perspective where you explain that - Jesus being seated at or on the right hand of God
You do not ( think right hand is speaking about literal location so much as position of privilege and favor).

However, Savant, however - that you will imagine or visualize the passage
the fact remains, - that in your translation, Jesus is not positioned or privileged nor favored to “Sit AT or ON the right of God.
The Greek manuscripts always use the word IN and OUT of the right of God.

The J.W. translation has the same mistranslation as the Trinitarian translation …….
J.W. - 44   Jehovah said to my Lord: “Sit AT my right hand until I put your enemies beneath your feet.

The fact is - Yahashua is ONLY and ALWAYS / ONLY denoted to be either IN or OUT of the Right of God.

Act 7:55  Steven looked upward into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Yahoshua standing { ε ̓κ / - ek / ex - FROM - exiting - Out  of } the right of God

Mat 22:44  + Mar 12:36  THE LORD SAID - LORD, SIT { ε ̓κ / - ek / ex - FROM - exiting - Out  of } MY RIGHT.

Mat 26:64 + Mar 16:19   shall ye see the Son of man sitting { ε ̓κ / - ek / ex - FROM - exiting - Out  of } the right of power.

Mar 16:19  + Luk 22:69   Yahashua - …. was received up into heaven, and sat { ε ̓κ / - ek / ex - FROM - exiting - Out  of } the right of God. 

We see that - In John Chapter 8: - The bible clearly explains exactly who Yahoshua is …

Yahoshua says three things here about his identity.

i COME OUT FROM THE GOD -
i COME NOT ALSO FROM - OF MYSELF -
i COME NEITHER MYSELF I - SENT -

John 8:42
i COME OUT FROM THE GOD -
i COME NOT ALSO FROM - OF MYSELF -
i COME NEITHER MYSELF I - SENT -

- ε γ ω I AM - γ α ρ FOR - ε κ FROM - τ ο υ THE - θ ε ο υ GOD - ε ξ η λ θ ο ν CAME OUT -

κ α ι ALSO - η κ ω COME - ο υ δ ε NOT - γ α ρ ALSO - α π OF - ε μ α υ τ ο υ MYSELF - ε λ η λ υ θ α I COME -

α λ λ NEITHER - ε κ ε ι ν ο ς MYSELF - μ ε I - α π ε σ τ ε ι λ ε ν SENT.

We see the Greek word “ EX = ἐξ “
- - EX - Meaning = A primary preposition denoting origin ( the point whence motion or action proceeds) , From, Out Of Place, : - After, among / from... By (the means of) Of, Off ( From), Out Among - ( From, Of ) - Out Of .

This Greek word " “ EX = ἐξ “ " - is used 917 total times in the manuscripts.

This is the exact word used in Heb 1:13

:13 Sit -- “ EX = ἐξ “ - OUT FROM " my right, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?

The Trinitarian Translators changed this word - " - “ EX = ἐξ “ - Meaning = OF - OUT FROM " and they deleted the original word and replaced it with the word " ON "
This exact Greek word is used - 917 total times in the Bible and here are only 20 examples.

Mat 1:3 Phares and Zara " - ex - OF - OUT - FROM " Thamar
Mat 1:5 Boaz " - ex - OF - OUT - FROM " Rachab and Obed " - ex - OF - OUT - FROM " Ruth
Mat 1:6 Solomon " - ex - ex - OF - OUT - FROM " her that had been the wife of Urias;
Mat 1:18 he was found with child " - ex - OF - OUT - FROM " the Holy Ghost.
Mat 3:17 And lo a voice " - ex - OF - OUT - FROM " heaven
Mat 2:6 for " - ex - OF - OUT - FROM " thee shall come a Governor
Mat 5:37 for whatsoever is more than these cometh " - ex - OF - OUT - FROM " evil.
Mar 14:25 I will drink no more " - ex - OF - OUT - FROM " the fruit of the vine,
Luk 1:61 There is none " - ex - OF - OUT - FROM " thy kindred
Luk 4:22 the gracious words which proceeded " - ex - OF - OUT - FROM " his mouth.
Luk 6:45 A good man out of the good treasure " - ex - OF - OUT FROM " his heart
Luk 9:35 A voice out " - ex - OF - OUT - FROM " the cloud
Luk 20:35 the resurrection " - ex - OF - OUT - FROM " the dead,
Joh 1:44 Now Philip was " - ex - OF - OUT - FROM " Bethsaida
Joh 12:32 if I be lifted up " - ex - OF - OUT - FROM " the earth
Joh 19:2 And the soldiers platted a crown " - ex - OF - OUT - FROM " thorns,

The word = “ EX = ἐξ “ - ex - OF - OUT - FROM " does not mean the word " ON or AT “

the Trinitarians and Jehovah Witnesses - go throughout the entire Bible changing the word “ IN ε ν " “ into the words “ AT and ON “ all of the verses where it applies to Yahoshua’ s identity as being “ IN ε ν “ the RIGHT of power - being “ IN ε ν “ the right of God

“ IN ε ν “ is own right
“ IN ε ν “ in the heavenly place
“ IN ε ν “ the right of the throne of God
“ IN ε ν “ the right of the Majesty - “ IN ε ν “ the high. –

Yahashua exits out / EX OUT FROM the right of God and dwells IN / ε ν the right of God until his enemies are defeated and made his footstool - he then returns back up to the throne of God - to sit IN the throne of the Father - from where he originated EXITING OUT from - before the word was made flesh.

So - God is a Father and is now - also, God is also a Son -

The God and Father was not always a Father - but became a Father when he created SONS and DAUGHTERS.
- and the God and Son was not always a Son - but a Son - when he MORPHED / MANIFESTED and CONCEIVED himself “ The HOLY SPIRIT - MORPHED and manifested - as CHRIST / The Anointing in Yahashua.


John 8:42

i COME OUT FROM THE GOD -
i COME NOT ALSO FROM - OF MYSELF -
i COME NEITHER MYSELF I - SENT -
This already proves that Jesus here - was not CO omnipresent

… … … … … … not Co Equal and not
Co Eternal -

he is the same God manifesting and morphing himself in the flesh. Exiting OUT OF God - IN the right of God, the throne and power - as the same person, same deity, same God MORPHED from Spirit, changed, altered and modified / morphed into a physical manifestation.

Transformed changed, altered - in the morph of God taking on a morph of God but made empty, vain, and void of being equally and fully God - as a man, whose Holy Spirit originated from heaven and not earth.

The Son of God - a Son of Man - whose literal spirit, is the identity of self same Holy Spirit - The Anointing. / Christ.
Yahashua is Eternal, is Omnipresent, and is God - BUT God did not manifest himself as a man by morphing himself physically or spiritually equal. God changed, LOWERED and altered and LOWERED himself - God became a servant and a man with a physical human body.

but not as another seperate CO SEPARATE PERSON. But a manifestation or morph of the same person. Same Eternal Spirit.

He is the same person - same God making himself lower and empty , vain , vacant and EMPTY - existing as a man from heaven.
1Jn 5:20  And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Yahashua, The Anointing
This is the true God, and eternal life.

Trinitarianism seeks to destroy the originating manuscript message throughout the entire Bible - while conforming and transforming and altering the originating message into an image that Trinitarians have preconceived in their doctrines and imagination.

[onewithhim]

[Replying to Falling Light 101 in post #568]
Did anyone comment on Isaiah 61:1,2 yet? Sorry if I missed it. YHWH and Jesus are obviously two different, separate individuals. The Young's Literal Translation renders this scripture as follows, showing that to be true:

"The Spirit of the Lord Jehovah is upon me, because Jehovah did anoint me to proclaim tidings to the humble...[etc.]" Jesus said that he was fulfilling this scripture himself---he is the one that Jehovah anointed and sent. (Luke 4:16-21)

Comments?

[Bobcat]

Jesus was the Father portraying the son, God’s servant.

Jesus said the Father would send the Holy Spirit to those who keep His commandments but later He says that He would send the spirit of truth Himself thus indicating He was the Father. That is why He said He was going back to the Father. He didn’t say He was going back to be with the Father. He was the Father portraying the son to show us how to do what He wanted.

John 14
15 "If you love me, you will keep my commandments. 16 And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Advocate, to be with you forever.

26 But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you everything, and remind you of all that I have said to you.

John 15

26 "When the Advocate comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth who comes from the Father, he will testify on my behalf. 27 You also are to testify because you have been with me from the beginning.