Spiritual Israel, or 144,000 Jews?

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Spiritual Israel, or 144,000 Jews?

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My question is, “Who are the 144,000?
Following is Jehovah’s promise to his people, Israel:

Ezekiel 37:21-28, "Thus saith the LORD God; Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen (Gentile nations) whither they are gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land: (May 14, 1948) I will make them (12 Tribes) one nation --- they all shall have one shepherd (Jesus), they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, -----I (the LORD) will make a covenant of peace with them; it shall be an everlasting covenant --- And the nations shall know that I the LORD do sanctify Israel, when my sanctuary shall be in the midst of them for evermore."

A 7-year covenant of peace with Israel fulfills Daniel 9:27, Jesus is the covenant, and the messenger of the covenant.

Scriptures contain 29 lists of the 12 tribes of Israel in both the Old and New Testaments. Never are more than 12 tribes mentioned. When one tribe is left out, another is inserted, usually the tribe of Levi. From Levi came the priest.

Revelation 7 mentions 12 tribes numbering 144,000. Is there any justification for spiritualizing the number or the names of the tribes in these passages? Never in scripture are the 12 tribes represented as the church.
In Genesis 32:28, the Lord changes Jacob’s name to Israel. Jacob his earthly name, Israel his heavenly name. The 12 sons of Jacob were born of four mothers, Jacob being the common father. Leah and Rachel were Jacob’s wives, and Bilhah and Zilpah were his concubines.

In Exodus 28:21-29, 39:14, the 12 tribes were on the breastplate of the high priest, twelve precious stones arranged in four rows, each name engraved on a stone.

Raëlism, states that the chosen people, 144,000 will continue humanity in case of a disaster.
Jehovah’s Witnesses claim to be spiritual Israel.
Mormons believe they are the 144,000

So, what is the truth?

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Re: Spiritual Israel, or 144,000 Jews?

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Capbook wrote: Sat Jun 14, 2025 2:00 am
onewithhim wrote: Fri Jun 06, 2025 8:48 pm
JehovahsWitness wrote: Sun Jun 01, 2025 4:57 am
lifelongseeker wrote: Fri Mar 07, 2025 8:26 pm [Replying to placebofactor in post #1]

IdK who the 144,000 could be. I'm still trying to figure out this.
The 144,000 are all of Christ's anointed followers that will join him in ruling over the earth.
Yes, they are spiritual Israel, as Jesus and his Apostles made clear. Note Peter's letter to Christians in Asia: "You are a 'chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for special possession, that you should declare abroad the excellencies' of the one that called you out of darkness into his wonderful light. For you were once not a people, but are now God's people." (I Peter 2:9,10)

James said: "Peter has related thoroughly how God for the first time turned his attention to the nations, to take out of them a people for his name." (Acts 15:14)
Yes, one verse also mentioned who were the people of God. (Heb 4:9)
Good point.

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