What proves Jesus is the Messiah? Did he fulfill prophecies

[Avoice]

What proof can anyone give that Jesus is the Messiah? Did he fulfull prophecies? If so, what orophecy and how did he fulfill it? Riding into into Jeusalem on an ass proves nothing. Many rode into Jerusalem on an ass. I too could ride in to Jerusalem on an ass. What else ya' got?

Needless to say any evidence MUST be supported by the Hebrew Scriptures

[Avoice]

[Replying to post 46 by JehovahsWitness]

I am saying that the Christian testament says Jesus fulfilled prophecies that are written in the Hebrew scriptures .

I'm asking YOU to show me how (two examples below) the following are a fulfillment of prophecies.

The Christian testament claims that Heroes killing of babies was foretold. Then it quotes the Hebrew Scriptures about Rachel weeping for her children etc.
-----Explain how what is quoted in the Hebrew Bible is about Herod?

The Christian testament claims that when Mary, Joseph and Jesus returned from Egypt it was a fulfillment of prophecy foretold in the Hebrew Bible. It refers to the passage that reads:
Out Of Egypt I called my son.
--------Explain how the passage in the Hebrew Scriptures is talking about Jesus?
Explain how the passage in the Hebrew scriptures is even a prophecy at all?

THE CHRISTIAN TESTAMENT CLAIMS THE PROPHECIES ABOVE WERE FULFILLED. HOW??

[Avoice]

[Replying to post 46 by JehovahsWitness]

Yes I will accept the words written in the gospels. I will accept reading them. But if they make a claim it needs to be verified. That means checking their claim.
Sure, (for example) the writer of Mathew says Jesus fulfilled prophecy . But did he? If you believe he did then You should be able to prove it.

[JehovahsWitness]

[Replying to post 46 by JehovahsWitness]

Yes I will accept the words written in the gospels. ... But if they make a claim it needs to be verified. That means checking their claim.

Check them against what?

[polonius]

[Replying to post 46 by JehovahsWitness]

Yes I will accept the words written in the gospels. ... But if they make a claim it needs to be verified. That means checking their claim.

Check them against what?

RESPONSE:

Common sense and the facts of history. For example, Jesus wasn't born twice. During the reign of King Herod the Great who died in 4 BC (Matthew) or during the 6 AD Roman census of Judea ((Luke). One or both of these scriptures are thus shown to be fiction.

[Avoice]

[Replying to post 53 by polonius]

Check them against what?

Okay, let's try this again . I'll keep it simple .

The writer of Mathew says Jesus birth was not just some ordinary event
He said it fulfilled what is written in the scriptures . (When the Christian testament mentions scriptures they mean the hebrew scriptures ). The writer of Mathew then quotes from chapter 7 of Isaiah .

Here's the question: How is chapter 7 about Jesus or the Messiah? The writer of Mathew claims it is. EXPLAIN HOW ISAIAH 7 IS ABOUT JESUS. YOUR EXPLAINATION NEEDS TO PROVE THE MESSIAH IS TO BE BORN OF A VIRGIN.

Much like our math teachers used to say "show the work" not just an answer.
In other words saying "it's about the Messiah" requires you show what you draw from Isaiah 7 to support your answer.

I look forward to your response

[JehovahsWitness]

[Replying to post 53 by polonius]

Check them against what?

You didn't answer my question, check against what?!


Even polonius understood my question and managed to provide an answer and I wasn't even talking to him. So check against what?

[Willum]

[Replying to post 55 by JehovahsWitness]

Yes, even Polonius.
He even answered them, hence Avoice’s confusion.
If the assertions that the Bible is false, is true, we would expect the conflicts Polonious invoked to be true.
And they are!

[Avoice]

[Replying to post 56 by Willum]

Explain what you are asserting

Yes, even polonias what? How does this have to do with the topic. You lost me

[brianbbs67]

[Replying to post 53 by polonius]

Check them against what?

You didn't answer my question, check against what?!


Even polonius understood my question and managed to provide an answer and I wasn't even talking to him. So check against what?

He's telling you to check the Hebrew for Isaiah 7. Especially verse 13/14. Don't use a christian bible. Look at the JPS or Stone's Tanakh. JPS says let her be called Immanuel. Stone's says "you will name him Immanuel". For at least 100 years the JPS has un messiahed the Tanakh. Stone's has kept truer to the words originally written.

[Avoice]

[Replying to post 8 by Overcomer]

Yeah, the writer of Mathew (whoever that was - it was written anonymously) yes, he quotes one fulfillment after the next .

BUUUUUT..... Did you ever bother to go back in the Hebrew bible and check to see if what was supposedly was was fulfilled was true? I donnnntttt think you did. Becaaaaause if you bothered to check and see if he was lying to you or not you'd see that he was lying to you.

Virgin birth prophecy ? That's a joke. Go read Isaiah 7

"Out if Egypt I called my son". When Joseph, Mary and Jesus returned from Egypt fullfills what Mathew quotes from the Hebrew scriptures ?? That's a joke. It's about the Exodus from Egypt during the time of the pharoah. And it's not even a prophecy ! Which makes it even more pathetic.

"Rachel weeping for her children because they are no more". That prophecy is about Herod killing the children? That's a joke . It's about the Babylonian exile . And the writer of Mathew only quoted half the passage. Why? Because if he had quoted the whole passage it couldn't be about babies herod killed. Because the passage says the children would return to Israel after the exile.

I could go on

The writer of Mathew is making a fool out of you. He is lying to you. And here is the rub:
These are so easy to prove false but you'll ignore it or won't even bother checking. Instead you'll uphold the lies as truth. Maybe you won't. Very few Christians...very few can speak the truth when push comes to shove

Go...don't take my word for it....read it for yourself.