Helping Gauleiter88

[ttruscott]

Hello. I am new to the forum and don't know how to use it yet. I am an American male, 85 years old, retired and now living in northern California. I was raised as a Christian, but not very seriously and soon became an agnostic. Now that I am older, I am more open to the idea of some kind of life after death. I have looked at several religions, but found nothing satisfactory. I have many questions. I don't want preaching, just personal answers.

This post was stuck into another topic so I rescued the thought to give it its own weight. Good luck, Gauleiter88... ask your questions here.

[onewithhim]

6. In the Bible, the creation took six days. Why do you say that it was jut in "the beginning"? Didn't the "beginning" take 6 days?

Here is the description of the original creation in the Bible:

In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

That is the end of the initial original creation.

Since man was not involved or created during the original creation, there is no reason for any further explanation required.

It did not involve us!

And there is no mention of how long the original creation required.

Scientists use 15.7 billion years of age for the universe. I'm good with that as an estimate.

But we are not told what "heaven" consisted of in the beginning. It could consist of more than simply our known universe.

Thus 15.7 billion could be a very low estimate.

I'm totally with you, on what you said here. The Bible doesn't say how long it took God to create the heavens and the earth! There is a big time span between verse one of Genesis 1, and verse two. And there's no reason to believe it took a measely 6 thousand years. Now, preparing the earth for life & creating that life is what took six creative "days." And these "days" need not have been 24 hours each. It doesn't matter if it says "Morning and evening." That merely means a beginning and an ending. Each creative day was undoubtedly several thousand years, possibly millions.

[myth-one.com]

But any second in time is the same second in time for God and any human living at that time.

Not sure I follow that one.

Time is meaningless to God, has no meaning, for all intents and purposes, time does not really exist to God.

And yet, you say that time is the same for God as for us humans.

This is the tricky bit.

The lifetime of any one man or woman is likewise equal to the same amount of time which God existed during their lifetime.

How much time the original creation of "the heaven and the earth" in Genesis 1:1 is little discussed in the Bible!

It was simply created "In the beginning."

The Bible does mention six days, my friend.

Yes, the recreation is what required six days.

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  1. Is it your opinion that when the Bible says that a day is like a thousand years that it meant time is meaningless to God?

No. Time is endless to God.

2.Is time completely meaningless to God?

No.

3. How can time be the same for God as for humans?

The measurement of time is the same for everything existing during that time measured.

4. Time, by Einstein's calculations, is relative to the observer. What is a "day" to God?

Time flies when your having fun, and time crawls when you're having a root canal. That's looking at time relative to the observer's situation.

During it all -- real time remains constant.

A "day" to God is man's definition of one revolution of the planet earth.

5. Humans measure time by the rotation of the Earth. How does God measure a "day"?

The same way.

6. In the Bible, the creation took six days. Why do you say that it was just in "the beginning"? Didn't the "beginning" take 6 days?

A beginning is a start. The beginning is noted, but the ending is not.

In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

Therefore, no one knows how much time the original creation required.

7. You seem to contradict yourself: When you say that to God, time is meaningless, and that to humans, time has meaning, and then, you say that time is the SAME for both God and humans. What is completely different cannot be the same. Can you clear that up?

A dog's lifetime is reportedly a seventh of man's. So people incorrectly state that a three year old dog is 21 many years old.

God lives forever and all mankind perishes quickly. Finite versus infinity. There is no valid comparison.

I think 1000 years is used to indicate that mankind from Adam & Eve's creation have six thousand years until the millennium 1000 years of rest.

8. If an eternal being who has ... unlimited TIME enters somewhere like the universe that might have LIMITED time, what happens to that space? Does the universe which may or may not have been eternal BECOME eternal to fit this eternal being? In other words, does the universe have to STRETCH in time to fit this God?

Defining space as finite is simply another way of saying mankind cannot understand infinity.

9. I'm having a fair bit of trouble as to how some Christians measure the time of creation. Some say six literal days. Some say more like 6 to 10 thousand years. You seem to think that it was instantaneous and that it TOOK NO TIME... I might be wrong about your opinion. Could you clear that up? How long, in your opinion did creation take?

In the recreation, God restored the earth from a state of formless, void, and dark to its original "good" state in six days.

Whatever was created and included as "heaven" in the beginning must be much more complicated.

I do not know how long that creation required.

10. Do you know what it would be like to have no real human concept of time?

Actually, I think I do.

There are sedatives today that are really good.

I had a procedure once, when a nurse started an IV to "relax me."

I was still in the prep room where she started the IV as she came back in.

I asked when were we going to get started -- and she informed me that the procedure was over and the doctor would be in to discuss the results with me soon.

I had no dreams nor any sense of consciousness or any time passage for over two hours. Nothing existed to my knowledge for that period time.

[myth-one.com]

Adam was created perfect, sinless, with the prospect of living on the earth forever. All he had to do was leave the one tree alone.

Now, if Adam had remained obedient to God, and he never received the consequence of disobedience---death---then when would he have gone to heaven?

Adam could never go to heaven because he was born as a flesh and blood man, and flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of God:

And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly. Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God;... (I Corinthians 15:49-50)

If he could live forever on the earth as you say, why be tempted by the prospect of heaven -- as Satan was?

OK, tell me if I'm way off on this.....I think maybe I asked that question because you had said everyone is supposed to go to heaven. (?) That is why I wondered what you thought about what people would have done if Adam and Eve had never sinned. Do you think they would have eventually gone to heaven (I guess you don't, because you just said flesh and blood doesn't go to heaven).....and if not, why do you think that all people NOW will end up in heaven?

I don't think Adam was ever tempted by the prospect of going to heaven. I don't think that was ever a thought. Satan was already in heaven, so I don't understand your reference to him being tempted by heaven.

[Blastcat]

[Replying to post 52 by myth-one.com]



[center]
How does God measure a day?
Part Six: Re-creation[/center]

It was simply created "In the beginning."

The Bible does mention six days, my friend.

Yes, the recreation is what required six days.

When I first read "recreation" I just thought it was a typo. Usually, the word "recreation" means the same as "fun".


So, it seems that you are talking about two kinds of creation:

1. Creation which I think you say.. don't know how long that took.
2. Recreation which took 6 days.

I've never heard of a "recreation".

You might want to explain those two kinds of creations and support the hypothesis with Biblical quotes.

[Blastcat]

[Replying to post 52 by myth-one.com]




[center]
How does God measure a day?
Part Seven: What is time to God?[/center]

1. Is it your opinion that when the Bible says that a day is like a thousand years that it meant time is meaningless to God?

No. Time is endless to God.

I wont even ask you how you could possibly know what time is to a god.. or to this God. If a day is a thousand years, a thousand years is about as close to infinity as we humans can imagine. If infinite time makes sense to God.. it sure doesn't make much sense to humans. People have actually gone insane worrying about the nature of infinities.

I am not convinced that you have solved all of those INCREDIBLY difficult math and physics problems that all the scientists in the world haven't.

If God created the universe, he also created time at the same time... Time did not exist before the universe did. What does time mean to a being who "exists" in a timeless dimension?

If there is no time for God UNTIL the creation ( and maybe the RE-creation ) what does TIME mean to this being? Time wasn't THERE....There wasn't any.

Then God made some.

So, how about I change my question a bit and ask BEFORE time, what did TIME mean to a TIMELESS God?

A thousand years?
A day?

There weren't any.

Ok, you might be saying that TO God, time isn't MEANINGLESS, but it's endless.
God would have a different view of time.. and that would not be the same as a human's perspective. Einstein demonstrated that time is relative to the observer.

Are you talking about the so called "A" theory of time, or the "B" theory?
I think that some apologists need the B theory to be true, whereas modern physicists seem to favor the A theory.

What theory , A or B do you think that God favors?


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Questions:

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  1. What do you know about infinities?
  
  2. What do you know about infinite time?
  
  3. What is time?
  
  4. Do you think that time is relative, as Einstein demonstrated, or fixed.. ?
  
  5. Is time fixed for God, as in the B theory of time, or is time relative for God, as in the A theory of time?
  
  6. Before the creation, was there time?
  
  7. How can there be ANY time, if there is no universe?
  
  8. Does God experience time the same way as humans do?
  
  9. To humans, a day is a day. To God, a day is a thousand years. How is this the same as humans?
  
  10. BEFORE time was created, what did TIME mean to a TIMELESS God?
  
  

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[Blastcat]

[Replying to post 52 by myth-one.com]


[center]How does God measure a day?
Part Eight: Blind leading the blind[/center]

10. Do you know what it would be like to have no real human concept of time?

Actually, I think I do.

There are sedatives today that are really good. [ ... ]

I had no dreams nor any sense of consciousness or any time passage for over two hours. Nothing existed to my knowledge for that period time.

So, are you saying that God is unconscious about time? I was asking you if you know what it would be like for a CONSCIOUS being to not have a human CONSCIOUS concept of time.

There are quite a few questions about time that I asked you that you don't seem to understand. If you need some help with them, just ask.

But when it comes to explaining what a day is like a thousand years to God, you didn't. Your explanation is a right mess.

It always surprises me that people will explain something to others that they do NOT understand themselves, OR WORSE, understand much less.

Thanks for your efforts.
I give up trying to understand what you mean about time for now.

Perhaps you might want to create a thread about the meaning of time... in the philosophy section or the science one. There might be people who know a little about the subjects you valiantly attempted to explain.

Thanks again.

[myth-one.com]

1. What do you know about infinities?

I'm as certain as I can be, that I will never be able to imagine the concept of infinity.

If one could travel in a straight line for x**y light years, where y is the number of all electrons in every atom of all matter in the universe, I believe there is something at that point at this very moment.

But on the other hand, I cannot imagine that the straight line can go forever without some end.

So I cannot imagine that something exists infinitely in all directions, nor can I imagine that there is never any "end."

I don't see me every reaching any consensus on that point -- and I'm OK with that.

2. What do you know about infinite time?

I know it's infinite.

3. What is time?

A measurable period during which an action, process, or condition exists or continues to exist. And I include the existence of "nothing" as a condition. So that time has always existed, and will always continue to exist, even if there is no one to measure it.

4. Do you think that time is relative, as Einstein demonstrated, or fixed.. ?

Fixed.

5. Is time fixed for God, as in the B theory of time, or is time relative for God, as in the A theory of time?

Time is fixed for everyone and everything.

6. Before the creation, was there time?

Sure.

7. How can there be ANY time, if there is no universe?

The universe is not mentioned in the definition of time.

8. Does God experience time the same way as humans do?

Passage of time probably worries humans at some point in their lives -- whereas it probably does not bother God.

Yet on the other hand, I can imagine that those other that God who live forever (angels) can have fears -- exactly because they cannot die. An exit out of life could be a blessing for those who are immortal.

Take Satan, for example. Since God cannot kill Satan, Satan will be imprisoned for all eternity. Death not being an option, life imprisoned for eternity becomes the max sentence for sinning immortals.

9. To humans, a day is a day. To God, a day is a thousand years. How is this the same as humans?

To humans and God a human defined day is 24 hours. To man it seems like a 24 hour day. To God it can seem like any fraction of time.

10. BEFORE time was created, what did TIME mean to a TIMELESS God?

Time was created?

Why do you say that?

Isn't forever a period of time?

[Blastcat]

[Replying to post 56 by myth-one.com]


[center]How does God measure a day?
Part Nine: To infinity and back[/center]

1. What do you know about infinities?

I'm as certain as I can be, that I will never be able to imagine the concept of infinity.

I'm like that too.. I don't have a clue.
So, I don't try to pretend that I do.

If one could travel in a straight line for x**y light years, where y is the number of all electrons in every atom of all matter in the universe, I believe there is something at that point at this very moment.

But on the other hand, I cannot imagine that the straight line can go forever without some end.

So I cannot imagine that something exists infinitely in all directions, nor can I imagine that there is never any "end."

I don't see me every reaching any consensus on that point -- and I'm OK with that.

You seem ( and I might be wrong ) to have no problem conceiving of an infinite GOD, though. Is that right? No problem imagining infinite time, even though, you just said that you can't imagine it?

You lost me.

2. What do you know about infinite time?

I know it's infinite.

Well, we both know the word, don't we?
But you just conceded that you really can't imagine what the word "infinity" means exactly.

But ( and again, please correct me if I'm wrong ) you seem quite ready to say that: "GOD IS THAT", even though, you don't know what "THAT" is.

How do you know it's that, if you don't know where it's at?
For all you know, it might NOT be that.

How would you know?
How DO you know?

3. What is time?

A measurable period during which an action, process, or condition exists or continues to exist. And I include the existence of "nothing" as a condition. So that time has always existed, and will always continue to exist, even if there is no one to measure it.

Even before the creation of time?

4. Do you think that time is relative, as Einstein demonstrated, or fixed.. ?

Fixed.

Oh, you are an Einstein skeptic, I see.
Puts you out of line with most modern physicists and cosmologists.

May I ask where you got your information on the refutation of Einstein's Theory of Relativity ?

5. Is time fixed for God, as in the B theory of time, or is time relative for God, as in the A theory of time?

Time is fixed for everyone and everything.

So, if we were to say that for God, a day is like a thousand years.. God is just bored up there? God is speeding along, and all this human stuff slogs really really really slow?

Time is fixed you say.
Einstein was wrong, all along the way.

That's an impressive hypothesis.
I'd be interested in that stunning new development in physics and cosmology. Maybe you should let all the scientists know.

6. Before the creation, was there time?

Sure.

You seem so certain about that.
Where did you get your info?

7. How can there be ANY time, if there is no universe?

The universe is not mentioned in the definition of time.

Modern physics and modern cosmology has it that time "began" ( if a tensed word like that makes sense ) with the universe. No universe, no time.

Maybe you are a skeptic of Hawking, too, but here goes anyway:

"Since events before the Big Bang have no observational consequences, one may as well cut them out of the theory, and say that time began at the Big Bang. Events before the Big Bang, are simply not defined, because there's no way one could measure what happened at them. This kind of beginning to the universe, and of time itself, is very different to the beginnings that had been considered earlier. "

http://www.hawking.org.uk/the-beginning-of-time.html

Are you also skeptical of the theory of evolution, global warming and continent drift?

8. Does God experience time the same way as humans do?

Passage of time probably worries humans at some point in their lives -- whereas it probably does not bother God.

So, psychologically... God may be different than humans.
You don't seem to know.

That's ok, I don't know either.

Yet on the other hand, I can imagine that those other that God who live forever (angels) can have fears -- exactly because they cannot die. An exit out of life could be a blessing for those who are immortal.

So, eternal life could be a curse?
You know, a lot of atheists seem to think so.

A few million years.. and then, boredom, right?

Take Satan, for example. Since God cannot kill Satan, Satan will be imprisoned for all eternity. Death not being an option, life imprisoned for eternity becomes the max sentence for sinning immortals.

I wonder how long it would take for even a gilded cage to become oppressive?
Maybe death would be quite the commodity in heaven, too.

There are lots of speculative fiction concerning the problems with living eternally. They are all the rage.

If living ETERNALLY is a problem, heaven or hell would both have it.

9. To humans, a day is a day. To God, a day is a thousand years. How is this the same as humans?

To humans and God a human defined day is 24 hours. To man it seems like a 24 hour day. To God it can seem like any fraction of time.

Alright, I won't ask AGAIN how you know God's impression of time or how he measures it.

Let's just say .............. that you "know", and leave it at that.


To God, a day can seem like a fraction of a second or a thousand years.
Or a billion, or almost no time at all.. to God, you seem to be saying.. Time is ... well... anything at all. Even though, you say, that a day is a day is a day.

You don't seem to know.
I don't know either.

We are the same that way.

10. BEFORE time was created, what did TIME mean to a TIMELESS God?

Time was created?

Why do you say that?

Isn't forever a period of time?

How about I define some terms first, before I reply:

_________________

Period:

A length or portion of time:

‘he had long periods of depression’
‘the period 1977–85’
‘the training period is between 16 and 18 months’
https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/period

Forever:

For all future time; for always:

‘she would love him forever’
https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/forever

Infinite:

Limitless or endless in space, extent, or size; impossible to measure or calculate:

‘the infinite mercy of God’
‘the infinite number of stars in the universe’
https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/infinite

According to Oxford a "period" of time can't be "forever".
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I think that you and I both admit to not know what infinite time means. I don't know if "forever" is a "period of time".. Periods usually have BEGINNINGS and ENDS.

But if you read the link above, Professor Hawking does a great job explaining what the current thinking about time is. He would know. He thinks it up.

He's kindof the "go to" guy about time, these days.

But, I would like to quote here someone whom I consider to be very wise, who also talked about infinity, that I think you might find yourself in agreement with:


"I'm as certain as I can be, that I will never be able to imagine the concept of infinity."
- myth-one.com, circa 2016

[myth-one.com]

You seem ( and I might be wrong ) to have no problem conceiving of an infinite GOD, though. Is that right? No problem imagining infinite time, even though, you just said that you can't imagine it?

You lost me.

Actually, I have trouble understanding anything that's infinite.

Time: A measurable period during which an action, process, or condition exists or continues to exist.

7. How can there be ANY time, if there is no universe?

The universe is not mentioned in the definition of time.

Modern physics and modern cosmology has it that time "began" ( if a tensed word like that makes sense ) with the universe. No universe, no time.

Maybe you are a skeptic of Hawking, too, but here goes anyway:

"Since events before the Big Bang have no observational consequences, one may as well cut them out of the theory, and say that time began at the Big Bang. Events before the Big Bang, are simply not defined, because there's no way one could measure what happened at them. This kind of beginning to the universe, and of time itself, is very different to the beginnings that had been considered earlier. "

I have always admired Dr. Hawking, but I do not always agree with him.

But let me point out that he does not say that time began at the big bang in the quote above! He states that man should say that time began with the big bang regardless of when time started, because we cannot measure anything about events prior to the big bang.

Why should not knowing or being able to measure something be a valid proof that something never happened?

According to Oxford a "period" of time can't be "forever".
_________________


I think that you and I both admit to not know what infinite time means. I don't know if "forever" is a "period of time".. Periods usually have BEGINNINGS and ENDS.

But if you read the link above, Professor Hawking does a great job explaining what the current thinking about time is. He would know. He thinks it up.

He's kind of the "go to" guy about time, these days.

----------------------------- Here is one example disagreement I have with Dr. Hawking ---------------------------------------------------

I believe Dr. Hawking reached the wrong conclusion in the following experiment on the TV series "Genius by Stephen Hawking Episode 1: Can We Time Travel."

The experiment was conducted to prove that time travel into the future is possible:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_tSVA4N2hNc

1) Two cesium atomic clocks are synchronized to time zero.

2) One is then transported to the top of Mount Lemmon in Arizona -- so that it is 5222 feet higher than the other clock.

3) After 24 hours, the clocks are brought together and their times compared.

4) The clock 5222 feet higher than the other has gained 20 nanoseconds over the lower clock.

Dr. Hawking concludes that everyone located on Mount Lemmon thus travelled into the future as they have existed for a longer period of time than those 5222 feet lower.

Here's why I question that conclusion:

Units of measure must be repeatable, or they are worthless. Twelve inches is the same here as twelve inches on the planet Mars (for example).

But time is not as easy as lengths. At present, a Universal second of time is defined as follows:

Under the International System of Units (via the International Committee for Weights and Measures, or CIPM), since 1967 the second has been defined as the duration of 9,192,631,770 periods of the radiation corresponding to the transition between the two hyperfine levels of the ground state of the caesium 133 atom.[1] In 1997 CIPM added that the periods would be defined for a caesium atom at rest, and approaching the theoretical temperature of absolute zero (0 K), and in 1999, it included corrections from ambient radiation.[1] Absolute zero implies no movement, and therefore zero external radiation effects (i.e., zero local electric and magnetic fields).

Both Caesium (or cesium) clocks in the experiment were synchronized and ran over the entire time of the experiment. Thus, the expectation is that both should have recorded the same exact amount of time.

Since that was not the case, and since both did run the same amount of time over the experiment (start to finish), my first conclusion would be that one or both clock readings were erroneous -- not that both correctly recorded different amounts of time experienced over the course of an experiment conducted over one finite equal time period.

How can that be explained? Here's how:

The periods of the radiation of the cesium atom apparently varies due to external influences as indicated by the Committee for Weights and Measures in the definition of the international second above. Temperature, electrical, and magnetic fields for example, causes variations. That's what caused the clocks to be different. The obvious cause of the different times in this case was the distance from the center of the earth. The cesium atom electrons in the higher clock had less gravitational forces to overcome, so the electrons completed the number of periods faster than the cesium atoms in the lower clock. Thus the higher clock "jumped" 20 nanoseconds into the future.

http://www.circlon.com/living-universe/ ... ation.html
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But, I would like to quote here someone whom I consider to be very wise, who also talked about infinity, that I think you might find yourself in agreement with:


"I'm as certain as I can be, that I will never be able to imagine the concept of infinity."
- myth-one.com, circa 2016

I don't know about my agreeing with that. I've been wrong many, many, many times in my life. Too many to itemize.

Not that there's anything wrong with being wrong. It's a method of learning -- homing in on what's right.

God Bless & Merry Christmas

[Blastcat]

[Replying to post 58 by myth-one.com]




[center]
How does God measure a day?
Part Ten: Einstein and Hawking are probably wrong[/center]

You seem ( and I might be wrong ) to have no problem conceiving of an infinite GOD, though. Is that right? No problem imagining infinite time, even though, you just said that you can't imagine it?

You lost me.

Actually, I have trouble understanding anything that's infinite.

Time: A measurable period during which an action, process, or condition exists or continues to exist.

Right, infinite time isn't measurable.
Nor is an infinite kind of "being" like your god.

Not measurable, not comprehensible.
Until someone figures out "infinity".

Now.. do you believe or not believe in an INFINITE god?
You didn't say.

Modern physics and modern cosmology has it that time "began" ( if a tensed word like that makes sense ) with the universe. No universe, no time.

Maybe you are a skeptic of Hawking, too, but here goes anyway:

"Since events before the Big Bang have no observational consequences, one may as well cut them out of the theory, and say that time began at the Big Bang. Events before the Big Bang, are simply not defined, because there's no way one could measure what happened at them. This kind of beginning to the universe, and of time itself, is very different to the beginnings that had been considered earlier. "

I have always admired Dr. Hawking, but I do not always agree with him.

Yep, you are an Einstein and Hawking skeptic.
That's what I though.

Newton too?

How far does your skepticism of physics go?

I would love to witness a debate on time between you and Hawking. Maybe you would end up learning about the physics of time. It's quite possible that you don't QUITE understand the physics involved. It's a bit "complex". That's why professor Hawking writes so many books about it for the lay persons like ourselves. To "dumb the incredibly complicated math, physics and cosmological observations down", as it were.

But let me point out that he does not say that time began at the big bang in the quote above! He states that man should say that time began with the big bang regardless of when time started, because we cannot measure anything about events prior to the big bang.

He doesn't?
I thought so.

So if we are somehow postulating a GOD who somehow exists before "TIME".. Hawking says... "no observational consequences", and that we might as well "say that time began at the Big Bang". Those are his words right there.

And if time didn't exist BEFORE the universe was "created", there was NO TIME to exist IN. Sorry, God could not have existed BEFORE when there was NO BEFORE or AFTER or any other kind of TIME to measure.

Why should not knowing or being able to measure something be a valid proof that something never happened?

That would be the argument from ignorance, so of course the conclusion that we would have PROOF by way of not knowing is just wrong.

No reputable scientist is saying that.

Nobody is pretending to KNOW what happened "before" the Big Bang BUT some theists, who do seem to know..... for some reason.

Or, at least, that's what they tell us.

Here is one example disagreement I have with Dr. Hawking ---------------------------------------------------

I believe Dr. Hawking reached the wrong conclusion in the following experiment on the TV series "Genius by Stephen Hawking Episode 1: Can We Time Travel."

The experiment was conducted to prove that time travel into the future is possible:

[...]

Dr. Hawking concludes that everyone located on Mount Lemmon thus travelled into the future as they have existed for a longer period of time than those 5222 feet lower.

Here's why I question that conclusion:

[...]

The periods of the radiation of the cesium atom apparently varies due to external influences as indicated by the Committee for Weights and Measures in the definition of the international second above. Temperature, electrical, and magnetic fields for example, causes variations. That's what caused the clocks to be different.

You are skeptical of all physicists who are convinced the theory or relativity is true.
That's what I thought.

But, I would like to quote here someone whom I consider to be very wise, who also talked about infinity, that I think you might find yourself in agreement with:

"I'm as certain as I can be, that I will never be able to imagine the concept of infinity."
- myth-one.com, circa 2016

I don't know about my agreeing with that.

You don't agree with your own statement?
How weird.

Maybe you should amend it.

I've been wrong many, many, many times in my life. Too many to itemize.

Me too.
Whatarewegonnado?

Not that there's anything wrong with being wrong. It's a method of learning -- homing in on what's right.

Yep.

I also try to learn by my mistakes.. WHEN I catch them and admit to them and go find OUT the truth... My methodology is called "skepticism". But of course, skepticism doesn't mean disbelieving EVERYTHING..... Otherwise, we'd be banging into walls... that we would not BELIEVE are there.

Radical skepticism is ... to me, dangerous.

So, Einstein and all the physicists being convinced by way of science = not good enough for your skepticism. What about nuclear physics and quantum fields.. the age of the universe, evolution, genetics, geology, global warming.... and on and on... you don't believe any of it?

You don't believe in any science?
Or do you reserve your skepticism for the theory of relativity alone?

You DO know that the theory of relativity is being demonstrated true all the time in science, right?

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2 ... 145055.htm

How long has this bogus theory of relativity been fooling scientists for do you think?