Why do the catholics preach a false gospel?

[Composer]

Even a trinitarian scholar admits what the trinitarian catholic church now preaches was NOT what the earliest and original believers taught or believed!

The late Dr. W R Matthews, Dean of St Paul's Cathedral, wrote:

"It must be admitted by everyone who has the rudiments of an historical sense that the doctrine of the Trinity, as a doctrine, formed no part of the original message. St Paul knew it not, and would have been unable to understand the meaning of the terms used in the theological formula on which the Church ultimately agreed". (27)

Or more recently:

"In order to understand the doctrine of the Trinity it is necessary to understand that the doctrine is a development, and why it developed. ... It is a waste of time to attempt to read Trinitarian doctrine directly off the pages of the New Testament". (28)

27. "God in Christian Thought and Experience", p.180
28. A & R Hanson: "Reasonable Belief, A survey of the Christian Faith, p.171-173,1980

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CARDINAL NEWMAN, the most remarkable English ecclesiastic of the 19th century:

"It may startle those who are but acquainted with the popular writing of this day, yet, I believe, the most accurate consideration of the subject will lead us to acquiesce in the statement as a general truth, that the doctrines in question (viz., the Trinity and the Incarnation) have never been learned merely from Scripture. Surely the sacred volume was never intended, and is not adapted to teach us our creed; however certain it is that we can prove our creed from it, when it has once been taught us. . . . From the very first, the rule has been, as a matter of fact, for the Church to teach the truth, and then appeal to Scripture in vindication of its own teaching." -Arians of the Fourth Century, pp. 55-56.

i.e. the trinity formulation is a ' johnny come lately corruption of the original beliefs! '.

[jedicri]

[jedicri wrote]…… the Bible was not even around when the Apostles started to orally preach the Good News?

[S-word’s response]…… The Bible was around for almost 1,500 years before the disciples began to write their epistles, in their attempts to prove that Jesus was the Messiah, who had been prophesied to come in the Bible, which the people in those days would check, to make sure that the words of the disciples were in accordance to the word of God as recorded in the Bible..

Tradition has it that about the year 100 AD, Clement of Rome was martyred by being cast into the sea tied to an anchor. Not much detail is known about Clement of Rome. The second Epistle of Clement to the Corinthians is admittedly a forgery, together with everything else in his name but the alleged First Epistle.

Knowing this, I must assume that the Clement that you refer to in your post is Clement of Alexandria.

In Alexandria, by the second century, Docetism, the concept that Jesus had existed as a spirit rather than a human being, had all but theoretically been stamped out.

But still, there persisted the belief that their false Jesus, although seen as a sort of human being, did not have our normal bodily needs, such as eating, drinking and having to go to the toilet, and Clement the bishop of Alexandria, wrote: “It would be ridiculous to imagine that the redeemer, in order to exist, had the usual needs of man. He only took food and ate it in order that we should not teach about him in a Docetic fashion.� Satan must have had some trouble trying to tempt this false Jesus of theirs into turning stones into bread.

Their Jesus was not the Jesus as taught by the apostles, but that other Jesus, taught by the Anti-Christ, who unlike we mere HUMAN BEINGS, did not need to eat, drink, or go to the toilet, as was taught by one of the great teachers that the members of the universal church, love to use as one of their authorities when trying to defend one of their false doctrines.

Saint Clement of Alexandria, who was a saint in the Martyrology of the Roman universal church, in support of the great lie, speaks of the time that some imaginary midwife, who was supposed to be at the birth of Jesus, told some woman by the name Salome, that the mother was still a virgin after the birth and that her hymen was still intact, and that this supposed Salome, stuck her finger into the mother’s vagina to check, and her hand immediately withered up, but the baby Jesus reached out and touched her hand and healed it.

Down to the 17th century Clement was venerated as a saint. His name was to be found in the Martyrologies, and his feast fell on December 4. But when the Roman Martyrology was revised by Clement VIII (Pope from 1592 to 1605), his name was dropped from the calendar on the advice of his confessor, Cardinal Baronius. Pope Benedict XIV in 1748 maintained his predecessor's decision on the grounds that Clement's life was little-known; that he had never obtained public cultus in the Church; and that some of his doctrines were, if not erroneous, at least highly suspect.

"ERRONEOUS--HIGHLY SUSPECT," Yes, you can say that again----. But by then the falsehood was firmly established and its seeds had taken root in all the nations of the world. The Lord now has need of some good gardeners, to help root out those noxious weeds.

Did you happen to watch TV on Christmas Eve, and see the broom smacking brawl between the two religious factions in the church of the Nativity?

The Church of the Nativity is the oldest Church in the Holy Land still in use. The first Church was built over the Grotto of the Nativity in the 4th century A.D under the patronage of the Roman Emperor Constantine’s mother Helena. As the tradition of the church of Constantine teaches as biblical truth, the Milk Grotto, a short distance from the church of the nativity, is where Mary was supposed to have hid while Herod’s solders were slaughtering the innocents in the streets of Bethlehem of Judaea, and suckled the baby Jesus to keep it quite, before her escape to Egypt.

According to the doctrines of the church of Constantine, Mary spilt some milk while feeding the baby Jesus and that milk turned the stones in that area white, and today, women who have nursing problems, or couples who are infertile, can go there and pray to their heavenly goddess, who is the mother of their eternal and immortal god, who was the co-creator of the cosmos and who came to earth as their immortal and eternal god, where he entered the womb of some supposed human virgin, where there, he created a human like body for himself, which was not of the seed of Adam from who every human being who has ever, or will ever walk this earth originated; in which body, the alien hybrid walked the earth disguised as a human being.

It is believed by those poor deceived souls of the church of Constantine and other denominations who have been sucked in by her lies, that if those people care to purchase a small bag of the white powder from those rocks, which had magically turned white by the mother’s milk of Mary, that white powder has the magical power to heal their problems.

This is in total contradiction to the truth as revealed in God’s word. But if they, who are so gullible as to believe the unbiblical teaching of the bride of the anti-christ, that a mortal virgin conceived in her womb the son of an alien life form that pre-dated the creation of the cosmos, and the human like body of the son of that alien, which was forming in the womb of their so-called virgin, was actually an eternal and immortal god, who himself was the co-creator of the cosmos, then they will believe any rubbish that she is prepared to dish out for them.

Matthew is not concerned as to where the holy family actually lived, only that the child was born in Bethlehem of Judaea, he then skips forward in time, to speak of the wise men, who are believed to have been Astronomer/Astrologers from Mesopotamia, who had seen the star in the east, that they believed had heralded the birth of the promised Messianic King of Israel, and even if they had left their own country that very day, to travel to Jerusalem, we know from biblical records that it would have taken them some four months to reach there, and by then, the family, according to Luke, had returned to their home in Nazareth.

Ezra 7: 8-9; “They left Babylonia on the first day of the first month, and with God’s help they arrived in Jerusalem on the first day of the fifth month.�

Luke is more concerned with the approximate 2 month period that the family was in Bethlehem of Judaea. He speaks of the birth of the child in the stable of an Inn, and the visit of the shepherds, who were out in the fields, where they would not have been in the middle of winter of late December, where they saw the baby in the manger wrapped in swaddling cloth etc.

Luke 2: 21; A week after Jesus was born he was circumcised according to the law of Moses. Then came the Time, for Mary to perform the ceremony of purification
as the law of Moses commanded.

(Leviticus 12: 3-4; “On the eighth day the male child shall be circumcised. Then it will be thirty three days more until she is ritually clean from her loss of blood and then can she enter the tent/temple and perform the ceremony of purification.)

After she had performed everything “According to the law of Moses� some 33 days after the baby was circumcised, they returned to the home of Mary in Nazareth, to where the wise would later travel some months later, and shower the young child with gifts, which included Gold. Leviticus 12: 8; poor families who cannot afford a lamb shall bring two doves or two pigeons one of which, would be used as the burnt offering etc.

As it has already been stated, even if the wise men had left their country in the east on the day that they had first sighted the star that had heralded the birth of Jesus, which is more that highly unlikely, they would not have reached Jerusalem until at least two month after Mary had returned to Nazareth.

There is no mention of the star guiding the wise men from their country of origin to Jerusalem, but after they had left Herod, who had told them that they might find the child in Bethlehem of Judaea, the star that they believed was the same star that they had seen while in the east, appeared once again, And O, what Joy was theirs, then the star guides them, not to the manger in Bethlehem of Judaea, but to the “HOUSE� in which the child and his parent lived, in the town of Nazareth, which is only about 2 miles from Bethlehem of Galilee.

According to the teachings of the universal church of the non-christian and theoretically illiterate king Constantine, which was established in 325 AD, some 300 years after the Apostolic Church of Jesus Christ was established in Jerusalem, Mary who was supposedly given these gifts which included gold, Frankincense and the very expensive myrrh, while still in Bethlehem of Judea, before she presented her offering in the temple at Jerusalem, must have pretended to be too poor to buy a lamb for a burnt offering, which was the offering required from those who could afford it. How deceptive would that have been, but then, that’s what the church of Constantine would have you believe, about the mother of Jesus.

In Luke, you will find no mention of Jesus the "young child", or of the wise men, who came to Israel near on a year after his birth. As Luke is concerned only with the time period when Jesus was still a "baby"; then he jumps to the period when he was about 12 years old, where he confounded his parents at that tine, who were Mary, and Cleophas/Alpheaus, the carpenter, who is the father of James the younger, who is the brother of Jesus, who said to his parents, who knew who his biological father was, “Why did you have to search for me, surely you knew that I had to be in My Father’s house?" That statement gobsmacked his parents. It went right over the head of Mary, who couldn’t understand what her son was on about, but she stored the memory of that moment in her mind.

Matthew 2: 7; So Herod called the wise men to a secret meeting and found out from them the exact time the star had appeared. Matthew 2: 16; When Herod realised that the wise men from the East had tricked him, he was furious. He gave orders to kill all the boys in (Northern) Bethlehem and its neighbourhood who were two years old and younger—this was done in accordance with what he had learned from the visitors about the time when the star first appeared.

If the age of the children who were to be slaughtered was two years and below, which age was determined in accordance with what he had learned from the visitors about the time when the star that had heralded the birth of Jesus, first appeared. How long before Herod gave the command to kill the innocents, had the wise men seen the star that had heralded the birth of Jesus?

You do realise that they was another town called Bethlehem in those days, which town today is called “Beitlahm� and it was situated in the district around Nazareth and the beautiful Hellenistic city of Sepphorus, that suffered so much damage in the great riots of the peasants in 4 BC, shortly before Herod died after a failed suicide attempt, which I believe was an option given to him by Caesar Augustus.

When one of Herod the Greats heirs, Herod Antipas returned from Rome in the spring of 3 B.C., after the "Will" of his father had been ratified by Augustus, he rebuilt Sepphorus as his chosen city for ruling over Galilee. I very much doubt that the true reason for the uprising of the peasants in the district of Bethlehem of Galilee would have been recorded by the Roman historians of that day.

You may continue to believe the world wide teaching of the Anti-christ, or you can fight to win the victory over this world, and be invited to sit beside of Brother Jesus, in the throne of Godhead to the most High in the creation, the throne of our Father, who is the Father of Jesus, the throne of our God who is the God of our brother Jesus. See John 20: 17.

First, "MAN" (man (�נוש� : 'enosh') in English, mortal human beings) was created a little lower than the angels, then he is crowned with glory and all creation is placed beneath his feet. All creation is placed beneath the feet of MAN (man (�נוש� : 'enosh) in English, mortal human beings) WHO IS CROWNED WITH GLORY, we have not yet seen this happen. But we have seen Jesus, the first born from the dead, who has won the victory and was given divine glory by our heavenly Father and saviour, and now sits in His heavenly throne of Godhead: and who, in Revelation 3: 21; invites those, who win the victory also, to sit with him in our Father’s throne of Godhead within the creation. And all creation Visible and invisible, which, according to Paul, includes even the angels, will bow at their feet.

Did the church of Constantine deceive you into believing that the wise men, who are believed to have been Astronomer/Astrologers from Mesopotamia, got from Mesopotamia to Bethlehem in a couple of days, to see the baby Jesus in the manger wrapped in swaddling cloth, (And not in the HOUSE, where the Bible says they found the Young Child) where, immediatly after they (The wise men) had been warned to return home, Herods men began to slaughter all the innocents in Bethlehem of Judaea, while Mary remained hidden in the milk grotto turning the rocks white with her spilt milk? Or so Helena, the mother of Constantine would have you believe.

I see you have changed your tactics in attacking the teachings of the Catholic Church, or lack thereof. What does your post above have anything to do with faith and morals, the Good News preached by the Apostles and their successors in the centuries following? How does this in any way refute or rebut Catholic belief and theology?

I have already shown you how erroneous it is for you to use the Bible to challenge Catholic teaching and theology since it was the Catholic Church that canonized Scripture --- as such, all Her teachings are biblically based and are also drawn from tradition as St. Paul teaches: "[14] Therefore, brethren, stand fast; and hold the traditions which you have learned, whether by word, or by our epistle" (2 Thess 2:14).

Again, I reiterate:

I will continue using the Bible as the authoritative source whereby to challenge the false theology of the catholic church and her daughter bodies that were spawned by her false teachings.

The Catholic Church did indeed canonize the Bible from Her authority given to Her by Christ (Mt 16: 18-19).

How does it follow that by using the Bible, you can challenge and claim Catholicism's teachings and theology are false when it is also written that the Church, not the Bible, is the "pillar and ground of the truth" (1 Tim 3: 15). How can you use the Bible to challenge the Catholic Church's teachings when as matter-of-fact, the Bible was not even around when the Apostles started to orally preach the Good News?

You claim the Bible is an authoritative source. Who has given this Bible its authoritativeness? Where and from whom do you draw this conclusion or fact that the Bible is authoritative and the reason for it? You?

[S-word]

Luke who had never met Jesus, compiled his gospel from the many people who had done their best to write their reports of the things that had taken place during the days of Jesus, See Luke 1: 1; and unlike the other three gospels, Luke is not set out in chronological order as to the events that occurred. But John, Mark and Matthew, with a few variations to their stories, all have the triumphant entry of Jesus into Jerusalem at the time that he overturned the tables of the dishonest thieves in the temple, as occurring in the week of his crucifixion .

But this is from the Catholic Encyclopaedia: Passover, A.U.C. 779 - about Pentecost, 780. (Cf. John 2-5; Mark 1-3; Luke 4-7; Matthew 4-9) Jesus goes from Capharnaum to Jerusalem for the Feast of the Passover; here he expels the buyers and sellers from the Temple, and is questioned by the Jewish authorities. Many believed in Jesus, and Nicodemus came to converse with Him during the night. “After the festival days He remained in Judea till about the following December, etc.�

They just wouldn’t have a clue as to the truth that is revealed in God’s word.

[Jedicri wrote]…… I see you have changed your tactics in attacking the teachings of the Catholic Church, or lack thereof. What does your post above have anything to do with faith and morals, the Good News preached by the Apostles and their successors in the centuries following? How does this in any way refute or rebut Catholic belief and theology?

Zechariah 13: 7, The Lord Almighty says, “Wake up Sword, and attack the shepherd who works for me! Kill him, etc.

Zechahiah 11: 12; “If you are willing, give me my wages. But if not, keep them.� So they paid me thirty pieces of silver as my wages.

The Lord said to me, “cast it unto the potter: that goodly price that I was priced at by them.� So I took the thirty pieces of silver---and cast it to the potter in the house of the Lord. -------------------

And the Lord said to me, “Now take the instruments of a foolish shepherd. For I will now raise up a shepherd in the world, which shall not visit those that are cut off, neither shall he seek the little ones, nor heal them that are broken, nor feed them that standeth still: but he shall eat the flesh of the fat, and tear their claws to pieces.

Woe to that idol shepherd that leaves the flock! The sword shall be on his arm, and upon his right eye: His arm shall be clean dried, and his right eye shall be utterly darkened.�

O! You shepherd of the darkness who claim God sent You out
And even though we know that’s true, that fact I wouldn’t flout
For God commanded Zechariah, “Throw my wages ‘cross the floor,
Those thirty bits of silver, for I’ll guide this flock no more
A worthless shepherd now I’ll raise to guide this stubborn flock
And he will be a useless one, of him I’ll take no stock
For he’ll not feed my little ones, nor search for them that’s lost
But he eats the meat of the fattest sheep. And their hoofs? He tears them off
That worthless shepherd, he is doomed for abandoning my flock
His power, will I destroy by war, his arm will wither dry, then drop
And his right eye will I turn Blind, that’s why he’s never seen
The passage where I speak of him, Zechariah eleven—twelve to seventeen.

Nope I’m still attacking in the same way, the worthless shepherd that the God of the church of Moses rose up in the world, after he was paid his majestic wage of thirty pieces of silver, who he has now determined to Kill off.

In all, my Lord God and saviour, dictated 366 books, which were written by his earthly scribes who recorded his words, as spoken through his faithful servants. The old Testament books were in existence for almost 2,000 year before Constantine decided to gather together the quarrelsome rag-tag group of those bodies that called themselves Christians, which had long, long since fallen away from the truth as taught by the apostles, and who were teaching a Jesus that was not even remotely associated with the man Jesus who the Lord God our saviour had chosen from among the Israelites to speak in his name, a prophet just like Moses.

The gospels and epistles which were inspired by the Lord our God, of which the book that is called the New Testament is comprised, were also in existence for over two hundred years, before Constantine’s group of ignorant men, who believed the earth was flat and was the centre around which the entire universe revolved, which universe they believed was only created some ten thousand years ago, and was created in 6 literal twenty four hour days, collected some of those inspired records of God’s word, which collection proves beyond a shadow of a doubt, that practically none of her teachings originated from the words of God, but they also rejected many other inspired books, especially the Books of Enoch, the only man in the holy scriptures to be carried to God and inherit eternal life, having been anointed by God and translated, from a corruptible body of mortal flesh, into a glorious incorruptible body of brilliant and blinding Light, so as to never experience death.

The words of righteous Enoch, were the foundation upon which the church of Moses was established, and upon which the true apostolic church of Jesus Christ was founded. The apostles learned from them and taught from them, and they were cherished by the early Christians up until the fourth century, when, under the ban of such authorities as. jerome, Hilary and augustine, of the church of Constantine, they gradually passed out of circulation and were thought to have been lost for millennia, which was the best thing that could have happened, as it kept them out of the hands of ignorant men who would have tried to interpret them according to the little information about the universe through which god manifests his divine nature and his eternal power.

Because you refuse to accept God’s words as the final authority of the truth, and instead accept the teachings of the worthless shepherd above the truth that is proclaimed by God, you are restricted to those few books that were inspired by God, which you are allowed to read and which books have been severely polluted by the yeast that has been added by the authorities of that body.

But I, on the other hand, who know the church of Constantine for what it is, am not restricted to those few inspired books that she selected for you to read,

I am free to eat from the tables that have been prepared by all of God’s children, no matter what body of belief they belong to.

[jedicri wrote]….. I have already shown you how erroneous it is for you to use the Bible to challenge Catholic teaching and theology since it was the Catholic Church that canonized Scripture --- as such, all Her teachings are biblically based and are also drawn from tradition as St. Paul teaches: "[14] Therefore, brethren, stand fast; and hold the traditions which you have learned, whether by word, or by our epistle" (2 Thess 2:14).

You, who are under the deceptive spell of the worthless shepherd that the God of the church of Moses rose up after he had been paid his majestic wage of thirty pieces of silver, have simply repeated the lying and deceptive words of that worthless shepherd.

That Roman body of belief, who held fast to her ancient traditions and refused to let them go, and who merely stripped Isis and her Godchild Horus of their old garment, and reclothed them with the robes of Mary and her child.

It would be impossible for you to distinguish any difference between the last of the Icon of Isis and her godchild on her lap, and the first of the Roman churches icons of Mary and her child. You say that all her teachings are biblically based, then here's you chance to reveal where the immaculate conception of Mary can be found in the Bible, or where can any scriptural evidence be found in God's word to support the lie that Jesus was born of a virgin, or that their supposed virgin mother, remained a perpetual virgin. where can it be found in scripture that Mary was bodily carried to heaven where she is now worshiped as the the co-redeemer of man, and the mother of God, which Jesus is not and never made claim to be such?

John 20: 17; "Go, tell my brothers that I ascend to my Father, who is their Father, to my God, who is their God."

Where did she receive her teaching that the wise men were able to get from the country of their origin to Jerusalem within a few days of seeing the star that had heralded the birth of Jesus, where is the biblical evidence to support the lie that Mary hid in the milk grotto with the baby Jesus while Herods men were slaughtering the innocents in the streets of Bethlehem of Judaea, or where the rocks in that area were magically turned white by the spilt mother's milk of Mary? we could go on and on for ages, but those questions will do for starters.

[jedicri wrote]….. The Catholic Church did indeed canonize the Bible from Her authority given to Her by Christ

The church of the non-christian king Constantine, did indeed compile a few of books that were inspired by God, and which had been in circulation for some three hudred years, and all should read those books, as well as the many, many books that were inspired by God, which most important books she has rejected.

[jedicri wrote]..... How can you use the Bible to challenge the Catholic Church's teachings when as matter-of-fact, the Bible was not even around when the Apostles started to orally preach the Good News?

The bible from which the Apostles taught and proved that Jesus was the promised Messianic king who is still to come, was around for some 1,500 years before the Apostles, whose epistles and Gospels were in circulation for 300 years before God rose up the worthless shepherd whose day of judgment has now come.

[jedicri wrote]….. How does it follow that by using the Bible, you can challenge and claim Catholicism's teachings and theology are false when it is also written that the Church, not the Bible, is the "pillar and ground of the truth"

And you believe that the worthless shepherd, the universal church of the non-christian king Constantine, which was established in 325 AD, some three hundred years after the true Apostolic Church of Jesus Christ was established in Jerusalem, and not the Bible, is the "pillar and ground of the truth"

Well then, all I can say is, if you can believe that the worthless shepherd that God rose up after he had been paid his majestic wage of 30 pieces of silver, which is soon to be eliminated by God, is the "pillar and ground of the truth," then I pity you.

[jedicri wrote]….. You claim the Bible is an authoritative source.

I do indeed claim that the word of God as recorded in the bible is the only authoritative source.

[jedicri wrote]….. Who has given this Bible its authoritativeness?

God, the highest authority that exists, and certainly not the Roman church of the non-christian king Constantine, which was established in 325 AD, some three hundred years after the true Apostolic Church of Jesus Christ was established in Jerusalem. Which worthless shepherd compiled a few of the books that had been inspired by God, which books were in circulation for thee hundred years, before Jerome finished translating those inspired books into Latin in 405 AD.

[jedicri wrote]….. Where and from whom do you draw this conclusion or fact that the Bible is authoritative and the reason for it? You?

No my dear friend, not from me, but from the prophets and apostles, who lived hundreds and thousands of years, before those quarrelling rag-tag groups of bodies that had broken away from the truth of God’s word, were gathered together, by the non-christian and theoretically illiterate king Constantine in 325 AD, to form the body that is under the control of the anti-christ, the worthless shepherd, who refuses to acknowledge that Jesus came as a human being.

It is he, the Lord of the univeral church of Constantine, who attempts to disprove that God can, and does give eternal life to those human beings of the seed of Adam that he raises from the dead past of his son, who dies for the human body of mankind, in which He, “The Son of Man" develops, and that the man Jesus was the first fruits to be harvested from the body of mankind, the first of many brother to be raised from the dead past of his only begotten son, who dies in the process of involution in order to be the saviour of we in evolution.

According to your "pillar and ground of the truth" you would have to have been an eternal and immortal God, whose human like body was created in the womb of some virgin, in order that you could not have inherited the sin of Adam, other wise, the god of the worthless shepherd can't raise you from the dead.

[AquinasD]

Assumption: Development of doctrine is bad.

Problem with assumption: The doctrine that development of doctrine is bad is itself a development.

Ergo: There can be some sort of genuine and authentic development of doctrine.

Ramifications: What the Apostles taught can be improved upon; they provide the axioms from which theorems may be proved. Later formulations can provide an organic explanation of the implications found in the Apostolic doctrines, viz. the Trinity doctrine. While the Apostles may not have taught it in word, they taught it in spirit.

Answer to the title question: Because it's fun.

[S-word]

Assumption: Development of doctrine is bad.

Problem with assumption: The doctrine that development of doctrine is bad is itself a development.

Ergo: There can be some sort of genuine and authentic development of doctrine.

Ramifications: What the Apostles taught can be improved upon; they provide the axioms from which theorems may be proved. Later formulations can provide an organic explanation of the implications found in the Apostolic doctrines, viz. the Trinity doctrine. While the Apostles may not have taught it in word, they taught it in spirit.

Answer to the title question: Because it's fun.

I am not a son of any particular body of belief, whether it be religious, philosophical, scientific, or any other. I am a son of MAN, and a brother to all the sons of God, for you are all gods, said the Lord in psalms 82: 6; all of you are the sons of the Most High.

I refuse to be forced to eat from just one table of the children of my God, I feed on the produce harvested from fields I didn’t sow and in which I have never laboured. All the spiritual produce that is prepared by all the bodies of my God's servants, are set out on the table before the curtain to his temporary tabernacle, which is the body of mankind, wherein the innermost sanctuary of his tabernacle, dwells our ancestral Father, (For the kingdom of God is within you) and from that table, I eat whatever titillates the taste buds of my mind.

At this stage in the evolution of my mind/spirit, I beleive in an eternal cyclic universe, which begins with a Big Bang and expands in space and time, and closes with a Big Crunch as it descends in space and time.

Universe after universe is like an interminable succession of wheels forever coming into view, forever rolling onwards, disappearing and reappearing; forever passing from being to non-being, and again from non-being to being. In short, the constant revolving of the wheel of life in one eternal cycle, according to fixed and immutable laws, is perhaps after all the sum and philosophy of Buddhism. And the eternal wheel has so to speak, six spokes representing six forms of existence.� Mon. Williams, Buddhism, pp. 229, 122.

The days and nights of Brahma are called Manvantara or the cycle of manifestation, “The Great Day,� which is a period of universal activity, that is preceded, and also followed by ‘Pralaya,’ a dark period, which to our finite minds seems as an eternity. Manvantara , is a creative day as seen in the six days of creation in genesis, ‘Prayala,’ is the evening that preceeds the next creative day. The six days of Creation and the seventh day of rest are referred to in Genesis 2: 4; as the generations of the universe.

The English word “Generation,� is translated from the Hebrew “toledoth� which is used in the Old Testament in every instance as births, or descendants, such as, “These are the generations of Adam,� or “These are the generations of Abraham,� and these are the generations of the heavens and earth/universe. And the great day in which the seven generations of the universe are eternally repeated, is the eternal Cosmic period, or the eighth eternal day in which there is neither hours, days, weeks, months, or years, where all time is stuck together in one aeon, and all who are not cast back into the refining fires of the eternal revolving seven cycles, will enter into the eighth eternal generation of Light.

A series of worlds following one upon the other, each world rising a step higher than the previous world, so that every later world brings to ripeness the seeds that were imbedded in the former, and itself then prepares the Cosmic seed for the universe that will follow it.

God calls all creation back to himself in the very “BEGINNING,� before the space and time of this three dimensional world had ever existed: before creating a new heavens and a new earth. Each generation ascends in time, and descends through time.

Every universe from the first to the last, from the smallest to the greatest, that have been made manifest throughout the aeons of eternity, still exist in their independent Space-Time positions within the eternal and boundless Cosmos.

The first day, or rather the first generation of the universe as we know it today, was only Light. Massive first generation stars, and evening descended when those stars imploded in upon themselves and the gravitational holes that remained, eventually swallowed each other and all that had existed, was condensed back into the infinitely dense, infinitely hot, infinitesimally small singularity of origin, which singularity, would later be spatially separated once again and the second generation of the universe would come into existence etc.

A series of worlds following one upon the other,-- each world rising a step higher than the previous world, so that every later world brings to ripeness the seeds that were imbedded in the former, and itself then prepares the seed for the universe that will follow it. Every universe from the first to the last, from the smallest to the greatest, which have been created throughout the aeons of eternity, still exist in their independent Space-Time positions within the eternal and boundless cosmos.

The New international Version, the Scofield Referrence Bible, and the Companion Bible, all note that the phase in Genesis 1: 2; The earth was formless and void (Having neither shape or mass) should be correctly translated, “The earth became without form and void.� The Hebrew word “Hayah� translated “was,� means “To become, occur, come to pass, Be.� (Vines Complete Expository of Old and New Testament Words, 1985. “To Be.�)

A Black Hole is a massive system so centrally condensed that the force of gravity prevents everything within it, even light from escaping. But how many Black Holes are out there in the boundlessness of the eternal cosmos? How much dark matter is hidden within those Black Holes? Nobody knows, science is still coming to grips with Black Holes, which are believed to be at the centre of all galaxies, and Black Holes devour everything of lesser mass that comes in contact with them.

Our Milky Way galaxy is said to be anchored in space by a super Black hole, which has a mass of over three million suns, and around the Super Black Hole at the centre of our Galaxy, orbits many other black holes, which were once at the centre of other galactic bodies that have merged with ours. The larger Magellanic Cloud (Nebecula Major) and the smaller Magellanic Cloud (Nebecula Minor) are two galaxies that are orbiting our Milky Way galaxy that orbits the central Super Black Hole to which those Magellanic Clouds are being gathered and will one day merge with our galaxy. The Super Black Hole at the centre of our being, will continue to grow as it devours the other lesser black Holes and dying stars and planets within this galaxy. And yet our galaxy is but one of billions of galaxies that are falling in toward one of the many massive super gatherers scattered throughout the boundlessness of the eternal cosmos.

If the evolution of this three dimensional world that began with an infinitely dense, infinitely hot, infinitesimally small singularity which was enclosed within the fourth dimension, and our three dimensional world, had its beginnings with a Big Bang, then the cause of this three dimensional world would had to have been an entity which operates in a different time dimension than this three dimensional world and would have pre-existed the Big Bang.

Within this visible three dimensional world of matter, there co-exists the invisible dimension of anti-matter, which is the kingdom of the God's, into which world, enters the Most High who develops within this cycle of universal activity, the invisible Mind of the Supreme Personality of Godhead to have evolved within this universal body.

[S-word]

The God of the Indonesian Hindus, who are the descendants of Shem the ancestor of Abraham, is the same as the God of Noah.

Their God "Brahman," the root to which name, originally meant "speach," is much the same as the name of the western God, “The Logos,� which is erroneously translated to mean "The Word," but in reality means, all the invisible information/spirit, (My word by which I express my gathered informaton is spirit) that has been gathered through the countless universal bodies that have been in the process of evolution throughout the aeons of eternity, and that gathered universal genetic information, cannot be expressed as the spoken word, (God does not “SPEAK� the universe into existence) but as another universal body, in the image and likeness of the body that had preceded it.

The God of the Hindu, is called Brahman, and He like the Logos, is the essential divine reality of the universe; the eternal spirit (Gathered information) from which all being originates and to which all must return. And the Hindu believes that at the close of this particular cycle of universal activity, "Krishna," who is the eighth manifestation of the first saviour Vishnu, who was the first intellectual mind to have evolved within the generations of the universe, enters into Brahman as the Supreme Personality of Godhead.

According to the Bible, and it’s related books, Enoch was the Last mind/spirit to have evolved to the ends of all things, where he witnessed the universal elements burn up and fall as massive columns of fire beyond all height and depth, into the Great Abyss/Black Hole, which Enoch describes as the prison of all the stars and the host of heaven, which included himself the most High in the creation, the supreme personality of Godhead to have evolved in that period of universal activity.

It was He, the mind within the Logos, which is the creative force of the universe, all the gathered information of all the generations of all the universal bodies that had preceded the universal body in which Enoch had evolved as the supreme personality of Godhead to that body, and He was the Life and the “LIGHT OF MAN� (all the wisdom, knowledge and insight gained from the body of the most high in the previous universal body that had descended into the seemingly bottomless pit,) who was in the Logos, who is God at the beginning.

And it was he, the only Observer, who cried out, “Let there be light,� as he witnessed the invisible Spirit/genetic information, transform itself into a physical universal body, which was the resurrection of the universal body in which, He had developed as the supreme Personality of Godhead.

His chosen successor who was reborn as Noah after his cruel death on the cross which was in obedience to our Lord God and Saviour, who, while dead in the flesh, but alive in spirit descended to the days when the ark was being built, and through the mouth of Noah, he preached the Good News also, to those who were disobedient in those days, and within the body of all Noah’s descendants, the chosen heir to the throne of Godhead, ascends to the ends of all time, where he, in the BEGINNING, before space and Time came into existence, will observe this universal body, in which he will have developed as the supreme personality of Godhead and heir to the Godhead that had developed in the previous world where all the observers were destroyed by water, as it is resurrected to life in this three dimensional world.

From the ‘Book of Enoch the Prophet’ CVI: 1-6, “Methuselah took a wife for his son Lamech, and she became pregnant by him and bore a son And his body was as white as snow and as red as the blooming of a rose, and the hair on his head and his long locks were white as wool, and his eyes beautiful. And when he opened his eyes, he lighted up the whole house like the sun, and the whole house was very bright. And thereupon he (Jesus) arose in the hands of the midwife, opened his mouth, and conversed with the Lord of righteousness (Enoch). And his father Lamech was afraid of him, (Just as Eve was terrified when she first saw Cain the shinning one and thought to kill him) and Lamech fled and ran to his father Methuselah. And he said to him: “I have begotten a strange son, diverse from and unlike man, and resembling the sons of the God of heaven; and his nature is different, and he is not like us, and his eyes are as the rays of the sun, and his countenance is glorious. And it seems that he is not sprung from me, but from the angels. And I fear that in his days, a wonder may be wrought on the earth.

Jesus now sits in the Throne of our ancestral Father within the inner most sanctuary of the body of all the descendants of Noah.

[AquinasD]

What does any of that have to do with development of doctrine?

[S-word]

What does any of that have to do with development of doctrine?

This was meant to be the prelude to post #54, somehow it was missed in my introduction to that post.

[AquinasD wrote]…… There can be some sort of genuine and authentic development of doctrine.


The accumulation of Data, helps us to understand more fully what the Lord had inspired the ancient prophets to record in simple terms, in order that his word might evolve with the evolution of the mind of man.

For the word of God can be likened
To a star that’s being ever brightened
By the mind of man reaching ever higher
But those who deviate, they’re liars
In God’s word man’s mind can grow
But those outside, they’re like the snow
That settles on the desert sand
And they’ll melt away, before “I AM.�……By S-word.

The word of God can evolve, to greater heights and to greater brightness as he reveals himself to us through the creation by which he is made manifest. But we must begin with the seed from the word of God and watch it grow into the greater light, which will reveal all truth.

For if we begin with rubbish and take our seed from the myths of immortal alien life forms siring hybrid hero’s from mortal mothers, If we merely strrp the cloths from Isis and her godchild Horus, and clothe them with the garbs of Mary and her child Jesus, we will witness the seed of that lie, shrivel up and die in the blazing light of the evolving truth of God’s word.

If we are confined to the few books which the universal church of Constantine advises all her poor deceived children to remain in, and not go beyond the boundary that she has set, we remain trapped in the dungeons of darkness that her lies have created, and the growing light cannot penetrate that darkness, because of the walls that she has built around her children.

Now close your eyes slightly and hold your pen tightly
Then call for the spirit within to awake
For it’s He who I walk with, who, in you I would talk with
And here’s the request that to him I would make.
Arise! Let your light shine for now is the right time
To scatter the darkness and shine forth you’re Light
Release all your children held fast in the prison
Of those teachers of darkness, those Sons of the night…. By S-word.

Each stage of the growth of her false doctrines, is but another lie in her attempt to support her original lie. it has now come to the point where, the foundation of her belief can no longer support the increasing weight of the rubbish that she has had to add to her false foundation.

The growing Knowledge of God (The Macro universal body) in whose image we, (the Micro universes) are created, will seal her fate.

Romans 1: 18; God’s anger is revealed from heaven against all the sin and evil of the people whose evil ways prevent the truth of God from being known. God punishes them, because what can be known about God is plain to them, for God himself has made it plain.

Ever since the creation of the world, his invisible qualities, both his eternal power and his divine nature have been clearly seen for he has made himself manifest in the universe itself. So those people have no excuse at all! They know God, but they do not give him the honour that belongs to him, nor do they thank him. Instead, their thoughts have become complete nonsense, and their empty minds are filled with darkness. They say they are wise, but they are fools, instead of worshiping the immortal God, they worship images made to look like mortal man, etc

[AquinasD]

Yeah... I can't make head nor tail of what you're saying. Sorry S-word.

[S-word]

Yeah... I can't make head nor tail of what you're saying. Sorry S-word.

Perhaps your young age may be a contributing factor for your inability to comprehend that which you read.

1st letter of John 4:1-3; “My dear friends, do not believe all who claim to have the spirit, (My words are spirit) but test them to find out if the spirit they have comes from God. For many false prophets have gone out everywhere. This is how you will be able to know if it is Gods spirit/word: anyone who acknowledges that Jesus came as a human being has the spirit who comes from God. But anyone who denies this about Jesus does not have the spirit from God. The spirit that he has is from the enemy of the anointed one, the Anti-christ etc.�

2nd letter of John verses 7-10;.“Many deceivers have gone out all over the world, people who do not acknowledge that Jesus came as a human being. Such a person is a deceiver and an enemy of Christ.�

Where do you suppose that we might find a teahing that has been spread throughout the earth that refuses to acknowledge that Jesus came as a human being?

Where do you suppose we can find the worthless shepherd that God said through his prophet Zechariah, that he was going to raise up in the world to guide his stubborn flock (Israel) after they had paid him his majestic wage of thirty peices of silver?

The Baal worshipers in the days of Elijah, were much the same as the Baal worshipers of today, those of the Jesuite order. who worship the immortal God in the image of a mortal man, and the male members who are known as Servite Friars or Servants of Mary, their heavenly queen, who herself was supposed to have been born of immaculate conception and was carried to heaven and is now worshiped as the “Mother of god,� who they claim is co-redeemer of the body of Man, and the mediator between man an her son who is the god of all creation as far as they are concerned, these are all Baal worshipers and will be brought to nothing by the fiery spirit of Elijah the Messenger of God.

One of the most important Holy days of their heavenly queen, is the Feast of the Assumption, celebrated every year on August 15, it’s a very old feast of the Church, celebrated universally by the sixth century, and it commemorates the death of Mary and her bodily assumption into Heaven, before her body could begin to decay. Like those servants of Mary, the servants of Asherah, would pray to thei heavenly mother to intercede with their God “Baal� for them.

So too, the prophets of Asherah, who, according to ancient mythology, Asherah, the mother goddess, was the wife of El and mother of seventy gods, of whom Baal was the most famous, and through their heavenly mother of the Gods, they worshiped also, Baal the most important of her sons before the image of a man.

King James Translation: When Ahab returned, without the prophets of Baal from the grove,, and told Jezebel everything that Elijah had done, and how he had put ALL the prophets of Baal to death by the sword. She sent a message to Elijah, saying, may the Lord strike her dead, if she had not done to him by the same time tomorrow, that which he had done to one of them.

Elijah, who was carried up to stand by Enoch’s side
Stood by the brook at Kishon where the priests of Baal all died
It was He, who gave the order and the waters all ran red
As fifty and eight hundred more, false prophets all fell dead.
Will you fight the war ‘gainst ignorance, the war that will be won
By those who wield the S-word of God, the sharp two edge-ed tongue…By S-word.

The universal church of Constantine, was allowed by the Lord to be established in order that the world would be blind to God’s word and deaf to the message that is revealed therein, in order that their minds would be so dull as not to turn to God and be healed, while yet in their sin.

Isaiah 6: 8; Then I (The spirit or the heir to God’s throne which develops within the great androgynous expanded and pregnant of Eve, “The Son of man,� who revealed himself through his obedient earthly servant Jesus) heard the Lord say, “Whom shall I send? Who will be our messenger?�

I answered, “I will go! Send me!� So he told me to go and give this people this message: “No matter how much you listen, you will not understand. No matter how much you look, you will never know what is happening.� Then He said to me, Make the minds of these people dull, their ears deaf, and their eyes blind, so that they cannot hear, or see, or understand. If they did, they might turn to me and be healed.�

Jesus the faithful and obedient servant to our Lord God and saviour, through who, the son of Man who IS IN heaven, filled with his spirit and sent him to speak in his name, and to say only that which the spirit of the Son of Man commanded him to say, said in John 12: 40; “He (God)has blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted and I (God) should heal them.

It was the will of God that the universal church of Constantine should be established to rule his stubborn flock (Israel).

Zechariah 13: 7, The Lord Almighty says, “Wake up Sword, and attack the shepherd who works for me! Kill him, etc.

Zechahiah 11: 12; “If you are willing, give me my wages. But if not, keep them.� So they paid me thirty pieces of silver as my wages.

The Lord said to me, “cast it unto the potter: that goodly price that I was priced at by them.� So I took the thirty pieces of silver---and cast it to the potter in the house of the Lord. -------------------

And the Lord said to me, “Now take the instruments of a foolish shepherd. For I will now raise up a shepherd in the world, which shall not visit those that are cut off, neither shall he seek the little ones, nor heal them that are broken, nor feed them that standeth still: but he shall eat the flesh of the fat, and tear their claws to pieces.

Woe to that idol shepherd that leaves the flock! The sword shall be on his arm, and upon his right eye: His arm shall be clean dried, and his right eye shall be utterly darkened.�

O! You shepherd of the darkness who claim God sent You out
And even though we know that’s true, that fact I wouldn’t flout
For God commanded Zechariah, “Throw my wages ‘cross the floor,
Those thirty bits of silver, for I’ll guide this flock no more
A worthless shepherd now I’ll raise to guide this stubborn flock
And he will be a useless one, of him I’ll take no stock
For he’ll not feed my little ones, nor search for them that’s lost
But he eats the meat of the fattest sheep. And their hoofs? He tears them off
That worthless shepherd, he is doomed for abandoning my flock
His power, will I destroy by war, his arm will wither dry, then drop
And his right eye will I turn Blind, that’s why he’s never seen
The passage where I speak of him, Zechariah eleven—twelve to seventeen.

Again, the intent of the Lord is righteous, in raising up the worthless shepherd, and given them over to believe the lie, in order that only those who would endure in the truth of his word, would win the victory, while the intent of the church was to seek out and devour and become bloated on the fat of the lambs of God’s flock.

Zechariah 13: 7, The Lord Almighty says, “Wake up Sword, and attack the shepherd who works for me! Kill him, etc.

All bodies must die then go off into judgment, even the religious bodies that have burned the pagans at the stake, who have murdered, how many thousands of women, who were accused by their husbands as witches, knowing that the church who forbade them to divorce their wives would burn or drown them as witches instead. And how many atrocities were perpetrated during the inquisition? There is not enough room in this entire forum to record the sins of the church of Constantine, which has fulfilled the purpose for which God allowed it to be established.

Acts 2: 23; “In accordance with his own plan God had already decided that Jesus would be handed over to you; and you killed him by letting sinful men crucify him.�

Like the Universal church, Judas Iscariot also fulfilled the will of God.

But now has come the time for her to be judged, and no matter how righteous we become in the twilight of our years, no matter how repentant we are for the sins of our past, and no matter how many tears we shed in the passion of our despair, we must all pay the blood price for the mistakes of our past, even those who are judged while alive and the elements of their physical bodies become so excited they burn up, and disappear. But it is the hope of God, that his children will hear his call and come out of her, and that only the empty shell will be destroyed.

Revelation 18: 4 to 8.

Come out of her my people, do not share in her sin.
You must not share her punishment, her judgment day has come
Her sins are piled to heaven and God recalls her evil ways,
She says I am no widow and I’ll never see the grave
Because of that in just one day disease will strike her down
Plagues and famine she’ll receive until the day she’s burned
You must pay her back two fold for all that she has done
Fill her cup as she filled yours, but make it take as strong
For all the glory she has claimed and all her luxury
Must be repaid this very day with pain and misery.

Once the new has been established, the old can be done away with, so kiss goodbye to the old belief of the virgin birth, which has now served it’s purpose, as truth of our salvation that is based on the foundation stone that was rejected by the builders of Constantines universal church is revealed.

You don't have to be an immortal god clothed in a human like body that is not of the seed of Adam to inherit eternal life and be accepted into the throne of Godhead to the creation, visible and invisible.

[ThatGirlAgain]

Yeah... I can't make head nor tail of what you're saying. Sorry S-word.

I am in the same boat. I have no idea what S-word is talking about. Does anyone else follow what S-Word is saying? If so, can you help in explaining it?