Judas' Death

[JBlack]

5So Judas threw the money into the temple and left. Then he went away and hanged himself.

6The chief priests picked up the coins and said, "It is against the law to put this into the treasury, since it is blood money." 7So they decided to use the money to buy the potter's field as a burial place for foreigners. 8That is why it has been called the Field of Blood to this day. 9Then what was spoken by Jeremiah the prophet was fulfilled: "They took the thirty silver coins, the price set on him by the people of Israel, 10and they used them to buy the potter's field, as the Lord commanded me."

18(With the reward he got for his wickedness, Judas bought a field; there he fell headlong, his body burst open and all his intestines spilled out. 19Everyone in Jerusalem heard about this, so they called that field in their language Akeldama, that is, Field of Blood.)

1. How do Christians explain this clear contradiction between Matthew and Acts concerning the manner of Judas' death?

2. How did Judas die?

[Miles]

Am I the only one here who finds 6-pages on Judas a bit silly? Why the enthusiasm over a textual discrepancy or, for that matter, over the unwillingness by some to recognize it as such?

6 pages on Judas, silly? nah.

What's silly is that some people claim the bible to be inerrant. What's silly is they hold to these claims even in the face of clear biblical errors.

Silly things need to be addressed. Especially when a number of people take these silly things dead seriously.

Yup. It's amazing to see the contortions people put themselves through in order to maintain statements such as

• • Matthew 27:5
    So Judas threw the money into the temple and left.
    
    Acts 1:18
    With the reward he got for his wickedness, Judas bought a field;

are concordant and logically valid just to uphold their faith.

[Jayhawker Soule]

Am I the only one here who finds 6-pages on Judas a bit silly? Why the enthusiasm over a textual discrepancy or, for that matter, over the unwillingness by some to recognize it as such?

6 pages on Judas, silly? nah.

What's silly is that some people claim the bible to be inerrant. What's silly is they hold to these claims even in the face of clear biblical errors.

Silly things need to be addressed. Especially when a number of people take these silly things dead seriously.

Yup. It's amazing to see the contortions people put themselves through in order to maintain statements such as

• • Matthew 27:5
    So Judas threw the money into the temple and left.
    
    Acts 1:18
    With the reward he got for his wickedness, Judas bought a field;

are concordant and logically valid just to uphold their faith.

Yes, it is, but what is the value in ridiculing the extremes? Let me ask you a question: what percentage of Christian theologians do you suspect maintain that the NT is inerrant?

[Miles]

Yes, it is, but what is the value in ridiculing the extremes? Let me ask you a question: what percentage of Christian theologians do you suspect maintain that the NT is inerrant?

Haven't the faintest, just as I have no idea how many philosophers champion free will, or how many creation "scientists" favor a literal six days, but I don't feel my lack of knowledge of them should hold me back from discussing any aspect of these fields with others, do you? If I can "ridicule" free will or a six day creation why should it be silly to ridicule Biblical inerrancy? Is it that you find it a no-brainer and not worth the effort, and therefore boring? Then I suggest you find some other topic to visit and save yourself the evident pain of reading posts such as mine. Personally, I find most defenses of inerrancy to be interesting if not amusing, and because I like to indulge myself in my interests and enjoy being amused I deem it worthwhile to discuss. I assume you do the same with subjects that interest you. No?

As for the more practical aspect of Biblical inerrancy, it operates as a tool of those who seek to establish the indestructibility of Christianity's foundation; something I feel is unjustifiable and deserves to be quashed (I don't feel delusion should be part of living one's life). Hence my interest and continued discussion of inerrancy's more ludicrous conclusions. Not that I see myself as any kind of savior or champion of the deluded, but I think it's incumbent on everyone to speak up when they feel they can improve the life of others--just my opinion of course.

[Jayhawker Soule]

Yes, it is, but what is the value in ridiculing the extremes? Let me ask you a question: what percentage of Christian theologians do you suspect maintain that the NT is inerrant?

Haven't the faintest, just as I have no idea how many philosophers champion free will, or how many creation "scientists" favor a literal six days, but I don't feel my lack of knowledge of them should hold me back ...

I'm not suggesting that you hold back. I simply find your fixation interesting. It reminds me a bit of the adolescent bully who sustains a sense of self worth by ridiculing the those most susceptible to ridicule.

[JBlack]

I'm not suggesting that you hold back. I simply find your fixation interesting. It reminds me a bit of the adolescent bully who sustains a sense of self worth by ridiculing the those most susceptible to ridicule.

Way to contradict yourself: "I'm not saying you shouldn't question the bible's inerrancy, I'm just saying that it's childish to do so"

So questioning the bible's inerrancy is equivalent to being an adolescent bully?

If anybody is being silly and ridiculous, it's definantly you.

Do you have anything productive to add to this debate, or do you just enjoy ranting a bunch of nonsense?

This topic is so ridiculous, but yet you just won't leave.

[McCulloch]

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I'm not suggesting that you hold back. I simply find your fixation interesting. It reminds me a bit of the adolescent bully who sustains a sense of self worth by ridiculing the those most susceptible to ridicule.

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