The 'Abomination of Desolation' was the Crucifixion

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The 'Abomination of Desolation' was the Crucifixion...

Mark 13:14
"But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judæa flee to the mountains:"

That is what I believe.

[Capbook]

The Two Witnesses are symbolic for what happened to Jesus' Witnesses in the last days (and has already happened). Jesus' disciples were thrown in jail back in the early years of the 1900s for a baseless reason and then came to life again when they were released. That's all antique history.

If you're talking about Jehovah's Witnesses, and World War 2, they survived because America was free for them to spread their propaganda throughout the war years. I never heard a witness say thank you to the Christian men and women who died for them so they could live. All they can do is criticize those who gave their life so they could survive.

Obviously, the Watchtower history books are as bad as their Bible. What the heck are you talking about? I hope it's not the holocaust when millions of Polish people, Jews, British, French, Christians, and millions of Russian civilians died at the hands of the madman Adolf Hitler?

Gee whiz, I had no idea symbolism (two Witnesses) could hold miraculous power, shut the heavens so it cannot rain, suffer death, be seen lying in the street dead for three days by the population of the earth, who then throw a party because symbolism is lying dead in the street. Then these two symbols are raised to life, grow feet, stand up, breathe, and are then taken into heaven by the Holy Spirit, whom they claim does not exist. Just another Watchtower bag of hot air.

I'm not surprised that you think this is absurd. That account in Revelation is indeed symbolic of something that happened to Jesus' organization in the early years of the 20th century. It is not to be taken literally, like shutting the heavens so it cannot rain, using miraculous power, etc.

JWs do not claim that the Holy Spirit "does not exist." Just another bag of hot air on your part. And someone here said they had never heard a JW say "thank you" to a serviceman. Of course not because the JW can't be everywhere at once. I have thanked servicemen and even gave them money and a big hug when a veteran asked for help.

No, it's hot air on your part. You deny the person of the Holy Spirit, and teach "HE" is an "it," the breath of the Father. And so, is it Jesus who sends the breath of his Father." Jesus said, John 16:14, "When the Comforter (Holy Spirit) is come, WHOM I WILL SEND UNTO YOU FROM THE FATHER." Now how can Jesus send the Father's breath? And don't claim it means the Father's word, Jesus is the Word.

And if it's the Father's breath, why would HE not speak of himself?" John 16:13. If it's the Father's breath, why would he not speak of himself? No, it's the Holy Spirit, the third person of the Trinity, that is sent to teach and comfort. He is sent by the Father to his Son who sent Him to us. See how simple that is when your eyes are opened.

The Father, Jehovah, gives many privileges to His Son, so it's not beyond rational thinking to think that Jesus could convey his Father's will ---the will of the Father that a person is understanding something or even having life---by being responsible for sending Jehovah's power to us. How irrational to think that the Holy Spirit as a Person would divide himself up onto 120 people in the upper room at Pentecost. No, that is beyond reason.

It is like you confine God to human reason?
We are finite beings that cannot grasp the infinite God.
How do you define blasphemes?
Bible lexicon by Mounce defined it as words spoken against God.
Why we are not to blaspheme the Holy Spirit? Because He is God.
And the Comforter is not just the force of the Father as blasphemy against Holy Spirit cannot be forgiven, but the blasphemy against the Father can be forgiven.
That proves that the Holy Spirit is another distinct person, separate from the Father.

Isa 55:8 "For My thoughts are not your thoughts, Nor are your ways My ways," declares the LORD

[onewithhim]

Obviously, the Watchtower history books are as bad as their Bible. What the heck are you talking about? I hope it's not the holocaust when millions of Polish people, Jews, British, French, Christians, and millions of Russian civilians died at the hands of the madman Adolf Hitler?

Gee whiz, I had no idea symbolism (two Witnesses) could hold miraculous power, shut the heavens so it cannot rain, suffer death, be seen lying in the street dead for three days by the population of the earth, who then throw a party because symbolism is lying dead in the street. Then these two symbols are raised to life, grow feet, stand up, breathe, and are then taken into heaven by the Holy Spirit, whom they claim does not exist. Just another Watchtower bag of hot air.

I'm not surprised that you think this is absurd. That account in Revelation is indeed symbolic of something that happened to Jesus' organization in the early years of the 20th century. It is not to be taken literally, like shutting the heavens so it cannot rain, using miraculous power, etc.

JWs do not claim that the Holy Spirit "does not exist." Just another bag of hot air on your part. And someone here said they had never heard a JW say "thank you" to a serviceman. Of course not because the JW can't be everywhere at once. I have thanked servicemen and even gave them money and a big hug when a veteran asked for help.

No, it's hot air on your part. You deny the person of the Holy Spirit, and teach "HE" is an "it," the breath of the Father. And so, is it Jesus who sends the breath of his Father." Jesus said, John 16:14, "When the Comforter (Holy Spirit) is come, WHOM I WILL SEND UNTO YOU FROM THE FATHER." Now how can Jesus send the Father's breath? And don't claim it means the Father's word, Jesus is the Word.

And if it's the Father's breath, why would HE not speak of himself?" John 16:13. If it's the Father's breath, why would he not speak of himself? No, it's the Holy Spirit, the third person of the Trinity, that is sent to teach and comfort. He is sent by the Father to his Son who sent Him to us. See how simple that is when your eyes are opened.

The Father, Jehovah, gives many privileges to His Son, so it's not beyond rational thinking to think that Jesus could convey his Father's will ---the will of the Father that a person is understanding something or even having life---by being responsible for sending Jehovah's power to us. How irrational to think that the Holy Spirit as a Person would divide himself up onto 120 people in the upper room at Pentecost. No, that is beyond reason.

It is like you confine God to human reason?

God wants us to reason with him and each other. Scripture says: "Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD..." (Isaiah 1:18, KJV and NASB)