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Is it one, or is it tw?

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1 Peter 1:1, “Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ,”
How many offices does Peter hold?

Isaiah 45:21, "A just God and a Savior; there is none beside me.”
Is the reference to one or two people?

Titus 2:13, “Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Savior Jesus Christ: who gave himself to us”
How many individuals was Paul referring to when he said, “the great God and our Savior Jesus Christ:”

Jehovah’s Witnesses claim it’s both the Father and Son who are going to appear, or is Jesus being referred to as both God and Savior as in Isaiah 45:21?

John 20:27-28, Jesus said to Thomas, “Reach hither your finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing. And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.”

How many people was Thomas referring to when he said, “My Lord and my God?” The Witnesses calm Thomas is referring to both the Father and Jesus, is that true?

Acts 2:9, “Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites,”
How many nations are mentioned?

Matthew 28:19, “Go you therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and the Son, and the Holy Ghost.”
How many individuals are mentioned, two or three? Witnesses claim it’s two, not three.

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JehovahsWitness wrote: Sun Feb 23, 2025 2:10 pm
marke wrote: Sun Feb 23, 2025 1:34 pm
JehovahsWitness wrote: Sun Feb 23, 2025 10:17 am
marke wrote: Sun Feb 23, 2025 6:32 amJesus is the Almighty spoken of in Revelation 1:

18 I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.[/b]
Neither the word "Almighty" nor the name "Jesus" are mentioned in the scripture so your comment can be dismissed as your opinion. I don't happen to agree with your opinion.
Marke: The phrase "The Almighty" is found in the KJV more than 40 times.
Is Revelation 1v18 one of them?

Marke: Revelation speaks of the Almighty which is alive, was dead, and which is to come again as ruler over all, Jesus Christ.

1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

Revelation 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

Revelation 1:8
I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

Revelation 1:18
I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

Revelation 11:17
Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.

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marke wrote: Sun Feb 23, 2025 7:50 pm
JehovahsWitness wrote: Sun Feb 23, 2025 2:10 pm
marke wrote: Sun Feb 23, 2025 1:34 pm
JehovahsWitness wrote: Sun Feb 23, 2025 10:17 am
marke wrote: Sun Feb 23, 2025 6:32 amJesus is the Almighty spoken of in Revelation 1:

18 I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.[/b]
Neither the word "Almighty" nor the name "Jesus" are mentioned in the scripture so your comment can be dismissed as your opinion. I don't happen to agree with your opinion.
Marke: The phrase "The Almighty" is found in the KJV more than 40 times.
Is Revelation 1v18 one of them?

Marke: Revelation speaks of the Almighty which is alive, was dead, and which is to come again as ruler over all, Jesus Christ.

1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

Revelation 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

Revelation 1:8
I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

Revelation 1:18
I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

Revelation 11:17
Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.
Revelation 1:18 refers to Jesus, who is not the Almighty. The Almighty could not die. He is the One who brought Jesus back to life.

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onewithhim wrote: Mon Feb 24, 2025 1:08 pm
marke wrote: Sun Feb 23, 2025 7:50 pm
JehovahsWitness wrote: Sun Feb 23, 2025 2:10 pm
marke wrote: Sun Feb 23, 2025 1:34 pm
JehovahsWitness wrote: Sun Feb 23, 2025 10:17 am
marke wrote: Sun Feb 23, 2025 6:32 amJesus is the Almighty spoken of in Revelation 1:

18 I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.[/b]
Neither the word "Almighty" nor the name "Jesus" are mentioned in the scripture so your comment can be dismissed as your opinion. I don't happen to agree with your opinion.
Marke: The phrase "The Almighty" is found in the KJV more than 40 times.
Is Revelation 1v18 one of them?

Marke: Revelation speaks of the Almighty which is alive, was dead, and which is to come again as ruler over all, Jesus Christ.

1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

Revelation 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

Revelation 1:8
I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

Revelation 1:18
I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

Revelation 11:17
Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.
Revelation 1:18 refers to Jesus, who is not the Almighty. The Almighty could not die. He is the One who brought Jesus back to life.
Marke: Jesus is the Almighty of Revelation 1 and the son born who is the Everlasting Father of Isaiah 9.

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marke wrote: Mon Feb 24, 2025 4:01 pm
onewithhim wrote: Mon Feb 24, 2025 1:08 pm
marke wrote: Sun Feb 23, 2025 7:50 pm
JehovahsWitness wrote: Sun Feb 23, 2025 2:10 pm
marke wrote: Sun Feb 23, 2025 1:34 pm
JehovahsWitness wrote: Sun Feb 23, 2025 10:17 am
marke wrote: Sun Feb 23, 2025 6:32 amJesus is the Almighty spoken of in Revelation 1:

18 I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.[/b]
Neither the word "Almighty" nor the name "Jesus" are mentioned in the scripture so your comment can be dismissed as your opinion. I don't happen to agree with your opinion.
Marke: The phrase "The Almighty" is found in the KJV more than 40 times.
Is Revelation 1v18 one of them?

Marke: Revelation speaks of the Almighty which is alive, was dead, and which is to come again as ruler over all, Jesus Christ.

1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

Revelation 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

Revelation 1:8
I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

Revelation 1:18
I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

Revelation 11:17
Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.
Revelation 1:18 refers to Jesus, who is not the Almighty. The Almighty could not die. He is the One who brought Jesus back to life.
Marke: Jesus is the Almighty of Revelation 1 and the son born who is the Everlasting Father of Isaiah 9.
The Almighty cannot die. Jesus died. The Almighty brought him back to life.

Jesus is called the "everlasting father" at Isaiah 9 because a father is a life-giver, and Jesus certainly gives us life---a promise of everlasting life because of what he has done.

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onewithhim wrote: Sat Feb 22, 2025 1:33 pm
Capbook wrote: Wed Feb 19, 2025 4:09 pm
onewithhim wrote: Sun Feb 16, 2025 8:12 pm
Capbook wrote: Sat Feb 15, 2025 4:43 pm
onewithhim wrote: Sat Feb 15, 2025 1:11 pm
placebofactor wrote: Sat Feb 15, 2025 9:09 am
JehovahsWitness wrote: Sat Feb 15, 2025 12:32 am
placebofactor wrote: Sat Feb 08, 2025 1:02 pm
How many people was Thomas referring to when he said, “My Lord and my God?” The Witnesses calm Thomas is referring to both the Father and Jesus...
If by "The Witnesses" you are referring to JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES , the Watchtower Society of Jehovah's Witnesses have actually published the following .

what about the apostle Thomas’ saying, “My Lord and my God!” to Jesus at John 20:28? To Thomas, Jesus was like “a god,” especially in the miraculous circumstances that prompted his exclamation. Some scholars suggest that Thomas may simply have made an emotional exclamation of astonishment, spoken to Jesus but directed to God. In either case, Thomas did not think that Jesus was Almighty God, for he and all the other apostles knew that Jesus never claimed to be God but taught that Jehovah alone is “the only true God.”—John 17:3.

I love the words and phrases you use to cover up the truth. "Jesus was like a god." "Miraculous circumstances" "prompted his exclamation." "Some scholars" You forgot to mention which ones. "Tomas may have simply have made an emotional exclamation of ASTONISHMENT." "He spoke to Jesus but directed to God." "I love this one, "In either case" What case would that be?

"Thomas did not think that Jesus was Almighty God." Were you there? That's one of the most deceptive statements I have ever heard.

You say Jesus never called to be God. Let me ask you one question, "Did Jesus created the heaven, and earth? I am not asking you if the Father sent him, or was the Father's active force with him, my question requires a yes or no. "Did Jesus create the heaven and the earth.

Source : https://www.jw.org/en/library/books/Sho ... oof-Texts/
To avoid posting misinformation, you can check your sources about the teachings of Jehovah's Witnesses by consulting their official website : www.jw.org

JW
Only a Witness can keep up with their changes. I've had enough conversations with Jehovah's Witnesses about John 20:28. Here's what they have said to be a hundred times, Tomas was talking to both Jehovah and Jesus, and don't call me a liar. I've been dealing with Witnesses for forty years.
The Witnesses have given you as valid an answer as what you could say. There is the entire Bible to go against Thomas calling Jesus God. If he wasn't speaking to Jehovah as well, then he was just exclaiming, like we do hundreds of times in our lives, "Oh my God!" Just an exclamation of wonderment. There is no other place in the gospel that calls Jesus God, or even any of the N.T. There is SO MUCH to show that Jesus always looked UP to his Father and declared only that he is God's Son. If John was writing that Thomas was calling Jesus God, he had the opportunity to underscore that idea after that exclamation by John himself agreeing with Thomas, but John didn't say anything close to that. Indeed, in chapter 20 at the end, John could have made a statement that would put it all straight that Jesus is God, but he didn't. He said: "But these are written , that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the SON of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name." (John 20:31, KJV)

How can you base your religious opinions on such shaky and tenuous phrases that can be taken many ways, such as John 1:1 and John 8:58? They could be taken in a variety of ways. They are most likely the victims of bad translation. You can't say that about John 20:31 or John 10:36 or John 20:17 or Revelation 3:12 or any other passage that shows Jesus subservient to his Father. (John 5:19; John 12:49,50; John 14:28; John 15:10; John 17:3) Can you?
What is your interpretation with that "life" above I colored red? (John 20:31)
Eternal life.
Thanks, yes, all thing were written that we believe that Jesus is the Christ, and believing Jesus we might have eternal life.(John 20:31)
The Father said that the "eternal life is in His Son Jesus. (1John 5:11)
That would mean that what 1 John 5:20 said Jesus has the eternal life and is the true God.
That is NOT what you say I John 5:20 means. It does not say that Jesus is the true God. It indicates that the true God is the Father, as you can see from the verse itself:

"But we know that the Son of God has come, and he has given us intellectual capacity that we may gain knowledge of the true one [his Father]. And we are in union with the true one, by means of HIS Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and life everlasting." Who is meant by "HIS"? Whose pronoun is that? Of course it refers to the Father. He is the true God.
Do you believe what the Father said in 1 John 5:11? "Eternal life is in His Son Jesus"?
If Jesus is the eternal life in 1 John 5:20, what does "and" mean in the last phrase that connects to the true God?

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onewithhim wrote: Sat Mar 01, 2025 1:02 pm
marke wrote: Mon Feb 24, 2025 4:01 pm
onewithhim wrote: Mon Feb 24, 2025 1:08 pm
marke wrote: Sun Feb 23, 2025 7:50 pm
JehovahsWitness wrote: Sun Feb 23, 2025 2:10 pm
marke wrote: Sun Feb 23, 2025 1:34 pm
JehovahsWitness wrote: Sun Feb 23, 2025 10:17 am
marke wrote: Sun Feb 23, 2025 6:32 amJesus is the Almighty spoken of in Revelation 1:

18 I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.[/b]
Neither the word "Almighty" nor the name "Jesus" are mentioned in the scripture so your comment can be dismissed as your opinion. I don't happen to agree with your opinion.
Marke: The phrase "The Almighty" is found in the KJV more than 40 times.
Is Revelation 1v18 one of them?

Marke: Revelation speaks of the Almighty which is alive, was dead, and which is to come again as ruler over all, Jesus Christ.

1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

Revelation 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

Revelation 1:8
I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

Revelation 1:18
I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

Revelation 11:17
Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.
Revelation 1:18 refers to Jesus, who is not the Almighty. The Almighty could not die. He is the One who brought Jesus back to life.
Marke: Jesus is the Almighty of Revelation 1 and the son born who is the Everlasting Father of Isaiah 9.
The Almighty cannot die. Jesus died. The Almighty brought him back to life.

Jesus is called the "everlasting father" at Isaiah 9 because a father is a life-giver, and Jesus certainly gives us life---a promise of everlasting life because of what he has done.
Marke: This is God's testimony of Jesus Christ, the Almighty:

Revelation 1:8
I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

Revelation 1:5
And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

Revelation 1:18
I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

Revelation 2:8
And unto the angel of the church in Smyrna write; These things saith the first and the last, which was dead, and is alive;

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Capbook wrote: Sat Mar 01, 2025 2:15 pm
onewithhim wrote: Sat Feb 22, 2025 1:33 pm
Capbook wrote: Wed Feb 19, 2025 4:09 pm
onewithhim wrote: Sun Feb 16, 2025 8:12 pm
Capbook wrote: Sat Feb 15, 2025 4:43 pm
onewithhim wrote: Sat Feb 15, 2025 1:11 pm
placebofactor wrote: Sat Feb 15, 2025 9:09 am
JehovahsWitness wrote: Sat Feb 15, 2025 12:32 am
placebofactor wrote: Sat Feb 08, 2025 1:02 pm
How many people was Thomas referring to when he said, “My Lord and my God?” The Witnesses calm Thomas is referring to both the Father and Jesus...
If by "The Witnesses" you are referring to JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES , the Watchtower Society of Jehovah's Witnesses have actually published the following .

what about the apostle Thomas’ saying, “My Lord and my God!” to Jesus at John 20:28? To Thomas, Jesus was like “a god,” especially in the miraculous circumstances that prompted his exclamation. Some scholars suggest that Thomas may simply have made an emotional exclamation of astonishment, spoken to Jesus but directed to God. In either case, Thomas did not think that Jesus was Almighty God, for he and all the other apostles knew that Jesus never claimed to be God but taught that Jehovah alone is “the only true God.”—John 17:3.

I love the words and phrases you use to cover up the truth. "Jesus was like a god." "Miraculous circumstances" "prompted his exclamation." "Some scholars" You forgot to mention which ones. "Tomas may have simply have made an emotional exclamation of ASTONISHMENT." "He spoke to Jesus but directed to God." "I love this one, "In either case" What case would that be?

"Thomas did not think that Jesus was Almighty God." Were you there? That's one of the most deceptive statements I have ever heard.

You say Jesus never called to be God. Let me ask you one question, "Did Jesus created the heaven, and earth? I am not asking you if the Father sent him, or was the Father's active force with him, my question requires a yes or no. "Did Jesus create the heaven and the earth.

Source : https://www.jw.org/en/library/books/Sho ... oof-Texts/
To avoid posting misinformation, you can check your sources about the teachings of Jehovah's Witnesses by consulting their official website : www.jw.org

JW
Only a Witness can keep up with their changes. I've had enough conversations with Jehovah's Witnesses about John 20:28. Here's what they have said to be a hundred times, Tomas was talking to both Jehovah and Jesus, and don't call me a liar. I've been dealing with Witnesses for forty years.
The Witnesses have given you as valid an answer as what you could say. There is the entire Bible to go against Thomas calling Jesus God. If he wasn't speaking to Jehovah as well, then he was just exclaiming, like we do hundreds of times in our lives, "Oh my God!" Just an exclamation of wonderment. There is no other place in the gospel that calls Jesus God, or even any of the N.T. There is SO MUCH to show that Jesus always looked UP to his Father and declared only that he is God's Son. If John was writing that Thomas was calling Jesus God, he had the opportunity to underscore that idea after that exclamation by John himself agreeing with Thomas, but John didn't say anything close to that. Indeed, in chapter 20 at the end, John could have made a statement that would put it all straight that Jesus is God, but he didn't. He said: "But these are written , that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the SON of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name." (John 20:31, KJV)

How can you base your religious opinions on such shaky and tenuous phrases that can be taken many ways, such as John 1:1 and John 8:58? They could be taken in a variety of ways. They are most likely the victims of bad translation. You can't say that about John 20:31 or John 10:36 or John 20:17 or Revelation 3:12 or any other passage that shows Jesus subservient to his Father. (John 5:19; John 12:49,50; John 14:28; John 15:10; John 17:3) Can you?
What is your interpretation with that "life" above I colored red? (John 20:31)
Eternal life.
Thanks, yes, all thing were written that we believe that Jesus is the Christ, and believing Jesus we might have eternal life.(John 20:31)
The Father said that the "eternal life is in His Son Jesus. (1John 5:11)
That would mean that what 1 John 5:20 said Jesus has the eternal life and is the true God.
That is NOT what you say I John 5:20 means. It does not say that Jesus is the true God. It indicates that the true God is the Father, as you can see from the verse itself:

"But we know that the Son of God has come, and he has given us intellectual capacity that we may gain knowledge of the true one [his Father]. And we are in union with the true one, by means of HIS Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and life everlasting." Who is meant by "HIS"? Whose pronoun is that? Of course it refers to the Father. He is the true God.
Do you believe what the Father said in 1 John 5:11? "Eternal life is in His Son Jesus"?
If Jesus is the eternal life in 1 John 5:20, what does "and" mean in the last phrase that connects to the true God?
Read my post again.

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marke wrote: Sat Mar 01, 2025 4:59 pm
onewithhim wrote: Sat Mar 01, 2025 1:02 pm
marke wrote: Mon Feb 24, 2025 4:01 pm
onewithhim wrote: Mon Feb 24, 2025 1:08 pm
marke wrote: Sun Feb 23, 2025 7:50 pm
JehovahsWitness wrote: Sun Feb 23, 2025 2:10 pm
marke wrote: Sun Feb 23, 2025 1:34 pm
JehovahsWitness wrote: Sun Feb 23, 2025 10:17 am
marke wrote: Sun Feb 23, 2025 6:32 amJesus is the Almighty spoken of in Revelation 1:

18 I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.[/b]
Neither the word "Almighty" nor the name "Jesus" are mentioned in the scripture so your comment can be dismissed as your opinion. I don't happen to agree with your opinion.
Marke: The phrase "The Almighty" is found in the KJV more than 40 times.
Is Revelation 1v18 one of them?

Marke: Revelation speaks of the Almighty which is alive, was dead, and which is to come again as ruler over all, Jesus Christ.

1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

Revelation 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

Revelation 1:8
I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

Revelation 1:18
I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

Revelation 11:17
Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.
Revelation 1:18 refers to Jesus, who is not the Almighty. The Almighty could not die. He is the One who brought Jesus back to life.
Marke: Jesus is the Almighty of Revelation 1 and the son born who is the Everlasting Father of Isaiah 9.
The Almighty cannot die. Jesus died. The Almighty brought him back to life.

Jesus is called the "everlasting father" at Isaiah 9 because a father is a life-giver, and Jesus certainly gives us life---a promise of everlasting life because of what he has done.
Marke: This is God's testimony of Jesus Christ, the Almighty:

Revelation 1:8
I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

Revelation 1:5
And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

Revelation 1:18
I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

Revelation 2:8
And unto the angel of the church in Smyrna write; These things saith the first and the last, which was dead, and is alive;
God cannot die. Any "Alpha and Omega" that speaks of that person's death could not be speaking of God.

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onewithhim wrote: Fri Mar 07, 2025 11:13 am
marke wrote: Sat Mar 01, 2025 4:59 pm
onewithhim wrote: Sat Mar 01, 2025 1:02 pm
marke wrote: Mon Feb 24, 2025 4:01 pm
onewithhim wrote: Mon Feb 24, 2025 1:08 pm
marke wrote: Sun Feb 23, 2025 7:50 pm
JehovahsWitness wrote: Sun Feb 23, 2025 2:10 pm
marke wrote: Sun Feb 23, 2025 1:34 pm
JehovahsWitness wrote: Sun Feb 23, 2025 10:17 am
marke wrote: Sun Feb 23, 2025 6:32 amJesus is the Almighty spoken of in Revelation 1:

18 I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.[/b]
Neither the word "Almighty" nor the name "Jesus" are mentioned in the scripture so your comment can be dismissed as your opinion. I don't happen to agree with your opinion.
Marke: The phrase "The Almighty" is found in the KJV more than 40 times.
Is Revelation 1v18 one of them?

Marke: Revelation speaks of the Almighty which is alive, was dead, and which is to come again as ruler over all, Jesus Christ.

1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

Revelation 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

Revelation 1:8
I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

Revelation 1:18
I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

Revelation 11:17
Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.
Revelation 1:18 refers to Jesus, who is not the Almighty. The Almighty could not die. He is the One who brought Jesus back to life.
Marke: Jesus is the Almighty of Revelation 1 and the son born who is the Everlasting Father of Isaiah 9.
The Almighty cannot die. Jesus died. The Almighty brought him back to life.

Jesus is called the "everlasting father" at Isaiah 9 because a father is a life-giver, and Jesus certainly gives us life---a promise of everlasting life because of what he has done.
Marke: This is God's testimony of Jesus Christ, the Almighty:

Revelation 1:8
I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

Revelation 1:5
And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

Revelation 1:18
I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

Revelation 2:8
And unto the angel of the church in Smyrna write; These things saith the first and the last, which was dead, and is alive;
God cannot die. Any "Alpha and Omega" that speaks of that person's death could not be speaking of God.

Marke: Jesus not only died for our sins, the Sinless for sinners, but He raised Himself from the dead also, our Savior to reign forever as Lord of Lords and King of Kings.

Isaiah 43:10-12
King James Version
10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the Lord, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.

11 I, even I, am the Lord; and beside me there is no saviour.

12 I have declared, and have saved, and I have shewed, when there was no strange god among you: therefore ye are my witnesses, saith the Lord, that I am God.

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Re: Is it one, or is it tw?

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How many people was Thomas referring to when he said, “My Lord and my God?” The Witnesses calm Thomas is referring to both the Father and Jesus...
If by "The Witnesses" you are referring to JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES , the Watchtower Society of Jehovah's Witnesses have actually published the following .

what about the apostle Thomas’ saying, “My Lord and my God!” to Jesus at John 20:28? To Thomas, Jesus was like “a god,” especially in the miraculous circumstances that prompted his exclamation. Some scholars suggest that Thomas may simply have made an emotional exclamation of astonishment, spoken to Jesus but directed to God. In either case, Thomas did not think that Jesus was Almighty God, for he and all the other apostles knew that Jesus never claimed to be God but taught that Jehovah alone is “the only true God.”—John 17:3.

I love the words and phrases you use to cover up the truth. "Jesus was like a god." "Miraculous circumstances" "prompted his exclamation." "Some scholars" You forgot to mention which ones. "Tomas may have simply have made an emotional exclamation of ASTONISHMENT." "He spoke to Jesus but directed to God." "I love this one, "In either case" What case would that be?

"Thomas did not think that Jesus was Almighty God." Were you there? That's one of the most deceptive statements I have ever heard.

You say Jesus never called to be God. Let me ask you one question, "Did Jesus created the heaven, and earth? I am not asking you if the Father sent him, or was the Father's active force with him, my question requires a yes or no. "Did Jesus create the heaven and the earth.

Source : https://www.jw.org/en/library/books/Sho ... oof-Texts/
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Only a Witness can keep up with their changes. I've had enough conversations with Jehovah's Witnesses about John 20:28. Here's what they have said to be a hundred times, Tomas was talking to both Jehovah and Jesus, and don't call me a liar. I've been dealing with Witnesses for forty years.
The Witnesses have given you as valid an answer as what you could say. There is the entire Bible to go against Thomas calling Jesus God. If he wasn't speaking to Jehovah as well, then he was just exclaiming, like we do hundreds of times in our lives, "Oh my God!" Just an exclamation of wonderment. There is no other place in the gospel that calls Jesus God, or even any of the N.T. There is SO MUCH to show that Jesus always looked UP to his Father and declared only that he is God's Son. If John was writing that Thomas was calling Jesus God, he had the opportunity to underscore that idea after that exclamation by John himself agreeing with Thomas, but John didn't say anything close to that. Indeed, in chapter 20 at the end, John could have made a statement that would put it all straight that Jesus is God, but he didn't. He said: "But these are written , that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the SON of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name." (John 20:31, KJV)

How can you base your religious opinions on such shaky and tenuous phrases that can be taken many ways, such as John 1:1 and John 8:58? They could be taken in a variety of ways. They are most likely the victims of bad translation. You can't say that about John 20:31 or John 10:36 or John 20:17 or Revelation 3:12 or any other passage that shows Jesus subservient to his Father. (John 5:19; John 12:49,50; John 14:28; John 15:10; John 17:3) Can you?
What is your interpretation with that "life" above I colored red? (John 20:31)
Eternal life.
Thanks, yes, all thing were written that we believe that Jesus is the Christ, and believing Jesus we might have eternal life.(John 20:31)
The Father said that the "eternal life is in His Son Jesus. (1John 5:11)
That would mean that what 1 John 5:20 said Jesus has the eternal life and is the true God.
That is NOT what you say I John 5:20 means. It does not say that Jesus is the true God. It indicates that the true God is the Father, as you can see from the verse itself:

"But we know that the Son of God has come, and he has given us intellectual capacity that we may gain knowledge of the true one [his Father]. And we are in union with the true one, by means of HIS Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and life everlasting." Who is meant by "HIS"? Whose pronoun is that? Of course it refers to the Father. He is the true God.
Do you believe what the Father said in 1 John 5:11? "Eternal life is in His Son Jesus"?
If Jesus is the eternal life in 1 John 5:20, what does "and" mean in the last phrase that connects to the true God?
Read my post again.
Your post did not answer the simple question. I'll do it in a step by step question cause it was not addressed.
Is 1 John 5:11 wrong?

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