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I literally sarcastically showed how you were committing a fallacy and you doubled down on it.

To be fair everyone can only see the speck in their brothers eye and not the log in their own eye.
Proverbs 18:17 The one who states his case first seems right, until the other comes and examines him.

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This has been America's record year for mass shootings, we hear in the UK.

But I don't think that there will be any changes in gun laws across the USA,.

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oldbadger wrote: Thu Dec 28, 2023 1:31 am This has been America's record year for mass shootings, we hear in the UK.

But I don't think that there will be any changes in gun laws across the USA,.
Give it 200 years and watch what happens to at least 3 countries where the population don't have guns.
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Wootah wrote: Thu Dec 28, 2023 1:46 am
oldbadger wrote: Thu Dec 28, 2023 1:31 am This has been America's record year for mass shootings, we hear in the UK.

But I don't think that there will be any changes in gun laws across the USA,.
Give it 200 years and watch what happens to at least 3 countries where the population don't have guns.
You'll need to look back, no chance for you to look forward.

Why do some people dream about killing their own country's soldiers or citizens? That seems to be the case in parts of America.

But gun laws will not change on the USA.

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oldbadger wrote: Thu Dec 28, 2023 2:04 am You'll need to look back, no chance for you to look forward.
Would this count?:
"Mao's first act after gaining complete control of China in 1949 was to take away all guns from the population. It was a policy he began in 1935 as he took over each rural province. Anyone found with a gun post-confiscation was executed."
Why do some people dream about killing their own country's soldiers or citizens? That seems to be the case in parts of America.
Is there any chance that you are the one dreaming about why gun owners choose to be gun owners? You're too intelligent (I think) to actually think that normal Americans dream about killing their own soldiers and citizens. So I'm left wondering why you make this illogical emotional argument about why gun owners are gun owners in parts of America.
But gun laws will not change on the USA.
What is going to stop the changes that are happening?
These are the gun control laws passed in 2022
https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/30/us/gun-c ... index.html

Why do you think that your first sentence about looking back was the only correct one in this reply? Surely your outlook on humans that live in America is not as bad as you make it seem, or is it? I understand that you likely don't follow gun control laws passed in America, so I can understand that slip, but dreaming of killing their own soldiers and citizens... Surely you don't actually think this?!?
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Clownboat wrote: Wed Jan 03, 2024 4:46 pm
oldbadger wrote: Thu Dec 28, 2023 2:04 am You'll need to look back, no chance for you to look forward.
Would this count?:
"Mao's first act after gaining complete control of China in 1949 was to take away all guns from the population. It was a policy he began in 1935 as he took over each rural province. Anyone found with a gun post-confiscation was executed."
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So just as I have also written Mao was looking forwards, not backwards. You need to look forwards.
Why do some people dream about killing their own country's soldiers or citizens? That seems to be the case in parts of America.
Is there any chance that you are the one dreaming about why gun owners choose to be gun owners? You're too intelligent (I think) to actually think that normal Americans dream about killing their own soldiers and citizens. So I'm left wondering why you make this illogical emotional argument about why gun owners are gun owners in parts of America.
You need to take more notice of your media, which often reports situations where US citizens insist that their guns are necessary in case they should need to make a stand against their authorities, government etc.
But gun laws will not change on the USA.
What is going to stop the changes that are happening?
These are the gun control laws passed in 2022
https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/30/us/gun-c ... index.html [/quote]
Nothing there..... Not one law which could could and actually show in print on s post.
Why do you think that your first sentence about looking back was the only correct one in this reply? Surely your outlook on humans that live in America is not as bad as you make it seem, or is it? I understand that you likely don't follow gun control laws passed in America, so I can understand that slip, but dreaming of killing their own soldiers and citizens... Surely you don't actually think this?!?
So you didn't know that there is talk about civil war if the next election doesn't suit some people?

I have seen a report on BBC that some church pastors have been handing out body armour to excited congregations.

There are more guns in the USA than humans, and mostly anybody can obtain a gun, and before you try to tell me about criminal conviction bars etc may I remind you that there are some gun fairs and many districts which really don't bother with such laws.

Even machine guns are available of you've got enough cash .........

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oldbadger wrote: Thu Jan 04, 2024 1:09 am You need to take more notice of your media, which often reports situations where US citizens insist that their guns are necessary in case they should need to make a stand against their authorities, government etc.
You have moved the goal posts and perhaps should watch less media.
First your claim was that some Americans dream about killing their own countries soldiers and citizens. You have now changed your claim to be one of having the ability to stand against authorities.
Surely care about being credible?
Nothing there..... Not one law which could could and actually show in print on s post.
Perhaps you will try this sentence again? It's nonsensical currently.
So you didn't know that there is talk about civil war if the next election doesn't suit some people?
You think you can impress me with 'talk'? Talk is cheap. Surely you know this, but I believe your agenda is anti gun and you have shown that you will move the goal posts and make emotional arguments (dream of killing) to fit your anti gun narrative. So if the talk fits, like there will be civil war, I expect you to take it as fact because it's something you want to believe.
I have seen a report on BBC that some church pastors have been handing out body armour to excited congregations.
Do you honestly think this is a common occurrence worth discussing? That churches are handing out body armor? Or is it just talk that fits your narrative? I ask because no Christians I know have been offered any body armor nor are they talking about killing their fellow citizens nor having a civil war.
There are more guns in the USA than humans, and mostly anybody can obtain a gun, and before you try to tell me about criminal conviction bars etc may I remind you that there are some gun fairs and many districts which really don't bother with such laws.
This sentence is accurate. What is your point besides that you really hate guns?
Even machine guns are available of you've got enough cash .........
Thank you for making another accurate statement. Is there a question for me?
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Clownboat wrote: Fri Jan 05, 2024 11:05 am
You have moved the goal posts and perhaps should watch less media.
First your claim was that some Americans dream about killing their own countries soldiers and citizens. You have now changed your claim to be one of having the ability to stand against authorities.
Surely care about being credible?
Ha ha! Now which nationality do you think all your authorities might have?
Italian? Greek?
Oh dear........they are Americans!
You think you can impress me with 'talk'?
Well I sure can't impress you with facts.
Do you honestly think this is a common occurrence worth discussing? That churches are handing out body armor? Or is it just talk that fits your narrative? I ask because no Christians I know have been offered any body armor nor are they talking about killing their fellow citizens nor having a civil war.
Well you can't be impressed with talk, you tell is. Maybe you should take more interest in what's being reported?
This sentence is accurate. What is your point besides that you really hate guns?
Comprehension much?
Now where have I said that I hate guns?
I may know more about them than you think, as well.
Thank you for making another accurate statement. Is there a question for me?
No need. You have already shown me that you know very little about the situation on the USA about guns.

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