When You Stand Before Jesus, Will You Say To Him "You Are Not God?"

[Benson]

Simple concept, simple question. Will you say that to Him to His face?

[Capbook]

Jesus is true God. (1 John 5:20)
No one is called in the form of God before He became human. (Phil 2:6)

I John 5:20 doesn't say that Jesus is the true God. If one reads the verse carefully, one can see that the true God is the one mentioned before it mentions Jesus. Jesus himself said that the Father ONLY is the true God. (John 17:3) The "form of God" is being a spirit Person. There are lots of angels who are spirit Persons, in the form of God. Jesus is in the form of God in that sense, as well.

Maybe we have different definition of terms here, may I know what is your definition from lexicon of;
1. person
2. spirit

Person: An individual being, intellectually viable. Christendom teaches that God is "three Persons in one God." So "person" means what I said, to the self-described Christian community.

Spirit: A body that is not terrestrial. Paul explained the difference in I Corinthians 15: 40-53.

1. Would you accept that a person can be defined as, one who has the capacity to reason, who has emotion and will?
2. If a spirit not terrestrial does it mean it is their nature visible or invisible?

1. Yes, that's a satisfactory definition of a person.
2. A spirit is invisible. (It can take on the form of a physical person, at will, just as the angels who appeared to Abraham and Lot.)

1. As those capacity the Holy Spirit has can He be referred as a person? Yes or no.
2. As spirit is invisible, can it have flesh and bone?

Simply put:

Can the Holy Spirit be referred to as a Person? NO.
An invisible Person cannot have flesh and bone or flesh and anything. No flesh in heaven.

You yourself have the capacity to reason, had emotion and will I presume.
Do you consider yourself a person or not?

I can't imagine why you are asking me that question. Please post your ideas about whether or not I am a person.

I am asking you that because if you are a person whom have the power to reason, emotion and will.
How come the Holy Spirit cannot be a person whom He has what you have?

[onewithhim]

I John 5:20 doesn't say that Jesus is the true God. If one reads the verse carefully, one can see that the true God is the one mentioned before it mentions Jesus. Jesus himself said that the Father ONLY is the true God. (John 17:3) The "form of God" is being a spirit Person. There are lots of angels who are spirit Persons, in the form of God. Jesus is in the form of God in that sense, as well.

Maybe we have different definition of terms here, may I know what is your definition from lexicon of;
1. person
2. spirit

Person: An individual being, intellectually viable. Christendom teaches that God is "three Persons in one God." So "person" means what I said, to the self-described Christian community.

Spirit: A body that is not terrestrial. Paul explained the difference in I Corinthians 15: 40-53.

1. Would you accept that a person can be defined as, one who has the capacity to reason, who has emotion and will?
2. If a spirit not terrestrial does it mean it is their nature visible or invisible?

1. Yes, that's a satisfactory definition of a person.
2. A spirit is invisible. (It can take on the form of a physical person, at will, just as the angels who appeared to Abraham and Lot.)

1. As those capacity the Holy Spirit has can He be referred as a person? Yes or no.
2. As spirit is invisible, can it have flesh and bone?

Simply put:

Can the Holy Spirit be referred to as a Person? NO.
An invisible Person cannot have flesh and bone or flesh and anything. No flesh in heaven.

You yourself have the capacity to reason, had emotion and will I presume.
Do you consider yourself a person or not?

I can't imagine why you are asking me that question. Please post your ideas about whether or not I am a person.

I am asking you that because if you are a person whom have the power to reason, emotion and will.
How come the Holy Spirit cannot be a person whom He has what you have?

The Holy Spirit is an emanation from the Father, God, so it has knowledge that the Father has and it can act only in accordance with what the Father has. It does not have knowledge on its own. It is directly the Father's reason and emotion and will. The two are inseparable, focusing on the one Person, Jehovah God, the Father. So it is not a separate Person.

[Capbook]

Maybe we have different definition of terms here, may I know what is your definition from lexicon of;
1. person
2. spirit

Person: An individual being, intellectually viable. Christendom teaches that God is "three Persons in one God." So "person" means what I said, to the self-described Christian community.

Spirit: A body that is not terrestrial. Paul explained the difference in I Corinthians 15: 40-53.

1. Would you accept that a person can be defined as, one who has the capacity to reason, who has emotion and will?
2. If a spirit not terrestrial does it mean it is their nature visible or invisible?

1. Yes, that's a satisfactory definition of a person.
2. A spirit is invisible. (It can take on the form of a physical person, at will, just as the angels who appeared to Abraham and Lot.)

1. As those capacity the Holy Spirit has can He be referred as a person? Yes or no.
2. As spirit is invisible, can it have flesh and bone?

Simply put:

Can the Holy Spirit be referred to as a Person? NO.
An invisible Person cannot have flesh and bone or flesh and anything. No flesh in heaven.

You yourself have the capacity to reason, had emotion and will I presume.
Do you consider yourself a person or not?

I can't imagine why you are asking me that question. Please post your ideas about whether or not I am a person.

I am asking you that because if you are a person whom have the power to reason, emotion and will.
How come the Holy Spirit cannot be a person whom He has what you have?

The Holy Spirit is an emanation from the Father, God, so it has knowledge that the Father has and it can act only in accordance with what the Father has. It does not have knowledge on its own. It is directly the Father's reason and emotion and will. The two are inseparable, focusing on the one Person, Jehovah God, the Father. So it is not a separate Person.

If the two are inseparable, why Apostle Paul separately mentioned the three person of the Trinity in his last text of 2nd Corinthians?
It should had said, "the love and communion of God" to suit your point.

2Co 13:14 The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Ghost, be with you all. Amen. The second epistle to the Corinthians was written from Philippi, a city of Macedonia, by Titus and Lucas.

[onewithhim]

Person: An individual being, intellectually viable. Christendom teaches that God is "three Persons in one God." So "person" means what I said, to the self-described Christian community.

Spirit: A body that is not terrestrial. Paul explained the difference in I Corinthians 15: 40-53.

1. Would you accept that a person can be defined as, one who has the capacity to reason, who has emotion and will?
2. If a spirit not terrestrial does it mean it is their nature visible or invisible?

1. Yes, that's a satisfactory definition of a person.
2. A spirit is invisible. (It can take on the form of a physical person, at will, just as the angels who appeared to Abraham and Lot.)

1. As those capacity the Holy Spirit has can He be referred as a person? Yes or no.
2. As spirit is invisible, can it have flesh and bone?

Simply put:

Can the Holy Spirit be referred to as a Person? NO.
An invisible Person cannot have flesh and bone or flesh and anything. No flesh in heaven.

You yourself have the capacity to reason, had emotion and will I presume.
Do you consider yourself a person or not?

I can't imagine why you are asking me that question. Please post your ideas about whether or not I am a person.

I am asking you that because if you are a person whom have the power to reason, emotion and will.
How come the Holy Spirit cannot be a person whom He has what you have?

The Holy Spirit is an emanation from the Father, God, so it has knowledge that the Father has and it can act only in accordance with what the Father has. It does not have knowledge on its own. It is directly the Father's reason and emotion and will. The two are inseparable, focusing on the one Person, Jehovah God, the Father. So it is not a separate Person.

If the two are inseparable, why Apostle Paul separately mentioned the three person of the Trinity in his last text of 2nd Corinthians?
It should had said, "the love and communion of God" to suit your point.

That is the point. The Holy Spirit is God's thoughts and will. God is referred to as communing with believers, and He would do so by way of His Holy Spirit---His thoughts and will. To see a trinity in this, one would already have to believe in the trinity, and it's biased. Otherwise it is just a reference to Christ and his Father.

Please tell me, how can a person be separated into 120 flames when coming to the people in the Upper Room on Pentecost?

[Capbook]

1. Would you accept that a person can be defined as, one who has the capacity to reason, who has emotion and will?
2. If a spirit not terrestrial does it mean it is their nature visible or invisible?

1. Yes, that's a satisfactory definition of a person.
2. A spirit is invisible. (It can take on the form of a physical person, at will, just as the angels who appeared to Abraham and Lot.)

1. As those capacity the Holy Spirit has can He be referred as a person? Yes or no.
2. As spirit is invisible, can it have flesh and bone?

Simply put:

Can the Holy Spirit be referred to as a Person? NO.
An invisible Person cannot have flesh and bone or flesh and anything. No flesh in heaven.

You yourself have the capacity to reason, had emotion and will I presume.
Do you consider yourself a person or not?

I can't imagine why you are asking me that question. Please post your ideas about whether or not I am a person.

I am asking you that because if you are a person whom have the power to reason, emotion and will.
How come the Holy Spirit cannot be a person whom He has what you have?

The Holy Spirit is an emanation from the Father, God, so it has knowledge that the Father has and it can act only in accordance with what the Father has. It does not have knowledge on its own. It is directly the Father's reason and emotion and will. The two are inseparable, focusing on the one Person, Jehovah God, the Father. So it is not a separate Person.

If the two are inseparable, why Apostle Paul separately mentioned the three person of the Trinity in his last text of 2nd Corinthians?
It should had said, "the love and communion of God" to suit your point.

That is the point. The Holy Spirit is God's thoughts and will. God is referred to as communing with believers, and He would do so by way of His Holy Spirit---His thoughts and will. To see a trinity in this, one would already have to believe in the trinity, and it's biased. Otherwise it is just a reference to Christ and his Father.

Please tell me, how can a person be separated into 120 flames when coming to the people in the Upper Room on Pentecost?

Even the Bible text mentioned the three, you interpret it just only two?

That's the power of God, we are finite beings we cannot grasp the power of the eternal Spirit God. (Isaiah 55:819)(Heb 9:14)

Isaiah 55:8-9 NLT. “My thoughts are nothing like your thoughts,” says the LORD. “And my ways are far beyond anything you could imagine. For just as the heavens are higher than the earth, so my ways are higher than your ways and my thoughts higher than your thoughts.

[onewithhim]

1. Yes, that's a satisfactory definition of a person.
2. A spirit is invisible. (It can take on the form of a physical person, at will, just as the angels who appeared to Abraham and Lot.)

1. As those capacity the Holy Spirit has can He be referred as a person? Yes or no.
2. As spirit is invisible, can it have flesh and bone?

Simply put:

Can the Holy Spirit be referred to as a Person? NO.
An invisible Person cannot have flesh and bone or flesh and anything. No flesh in heaven.

You yourself have the capacity to reason, had emotion and will I presume.
Do you consider yourself a person or not?

I can't imagine why you are asking me that question. Please post your ideas about whether or not I am a person.

I am asking you that because if you are a person whom have the power to reason, emotion and will.
How come the Holy Spirit cannot be a person whom He has what you have?

The Holy Spirit is an emanation from the Father, God, so it has knowledge that the Father has and it can act only in accordance with what the Father has. It does not have knowledge on its own. It is directly the Father's reason and emotion and will. The two are inseparable, focusing on the one Person, Jehovah God, the Father. So it is not a separate Person.

If the two are inseparable, why Apostle Paul separately mentioned the three person of the Trinity in his last text of 2nd Corinthians?
It should had said, "the love and communion of God" to suit your point.

That is the point. The Holy Spirit is God's thoughts and will. God is referred to as communing with believers, and He would do so by way of His Holy Spirit---His thoughts and will. To see a trinity in this, one would already have to believe in the trinity, and it's biased. Otherwise it is just a reference to Christ and his Father.

Please tell me, how can a person be separated into 120 flames when coming to the people in the Upper Room on Pentecost?

Even the Bible text mentioned the three, you interpret it just only two?

That's the power of God, we are finite beings we cannot grasp the power of the eternal Spirit God. (Isaiah 55:819)(Heb 9:14)

Isaiah 55:8-9 NLT. “My thoughts are nothing like your thoughts,” says the LORD. “And my ways are far beyond anything you could imagine. For just as the heavens are higher than the earth, so my ways are higher than your ways and my thoughts higher than your thoughts.

The Bible mentions the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, but that doesn't show that they are all equal or even that they are all Persons. Since the Holy Spirit is God's emanating power to get done what He wants done, it is not a Person. Yes, there are just two to be considered higher than anyone else---the Most High (Psalm 83:18, KJV) and His Son who is the first creation and second only to his Father.

So you say that a Person can be divided in unlimited fashion throughout the world? I don't think that portrays an actual Person. A Person is not divided into millions of little Persons the world over, not even 120 times at Pentecost in Peter's day. Don't make God sound ridiculous.

[Capbook]

1. As those capacity the Holy Spirit has can He be referred as a person? Yes or no.
2. As spirit is invisible, can it have flesh and bone?

Simply put:

Can the Holy Spirit be referred to as a Person? NO.
An invisible Person cannot have flesh and bone or flesh and anything. No flesh in heaven.

You yourself have the capacity to reason, had emotion and will I presume.
Do you consider yourself a person or not?

I can't imagine why you are asking me that question. Please post your ideas about whether or not I am a person.

I am asking you that because if you are a person whom have the power to reason, emotion and will.
How come the Holy Spirit cannot be a person whom He has what you have?

The Holy Spirit is an emanation from the Father, God, so it has knowledge that the Father has and it can act only in accordance with what the Father has. It does not have knowledge on its own. It is directly the Father's reason and emotion and will. The two are inseparable, focusing on the one Person, Jehovah God, the Father. So it is not a separate Person.

If the two are inseparable, why Apostle Paul separately mentioned the three person of the Trinity in his last text of 2nd Corinthians?
It should had said, "the love and communion of God" to suit your point.

That is the point. The Holy Spirit is God's thoughts and will. God is referred to as communing with believers, and He would do so by way of His Holy Spirit---His thoughts and will. To see a trinity in this, one would already have to believe in the trinity, and it's biased. Otherwise it is just a reference to Christ and his Father.

Please tell me, how can a person be separated into 120 flames when coming to the people in the Upper Room on Pentecost?

Even the Bible text mentioned the three, you interpret it just only two?

That's the power of God, we are finite beings we cannot grasp the power of the eternal Spirit God. (Isaiah 55:819)(Heb 9:14)

Isaiah 55:8-9 NLT. “My thoughts are nothing like your thoughts,” says the LORD. “And my ways are far beyond anything you could imagine. For just as the heavens are higher than the earth, so my ways are higher than your ways and my thoughts higher than your thoughts.

The Bible mentions the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, but that doesn't show that they are all equal or even that they are all Persons. Since the Holy Spirit is God's emanating power to get done what He wants done, it is not a Person. Yes, there are just two to be considered higher than anyone else---the Most High (Psalm 83:18, KJV) and His Son who is the first creation and second only to his Father.

So you say that a Person can be divided in unlimited fashion throughout the world? I don't think that portrays an actual Person. A Person is not divided into millions of little Persons the world over, not even 120 times at Pentecost in Peter's day. Don't make God sound ridiculous.

The Holy Spirit have what you have; will, reason and emotion. You can call yourself a person and why Him you cannot?
And never in the Bible He was called an "active force". The Word of God addressed the Holy Spirit as "He, Him".
You make your logic of Him ridiculous. I believe Arians do not know how to use "he or him".
"He" or "him" should not be used to refer to things; they are personal pronouns specifically used to refer to a male person, so they are not appropriate for inanimate objects.
https://www.google.com/search?q=can+he+ ... s-wiz-serp

Your finite mind underestimate the power of God. Can you see the future? Yes or no?
The Holy Spirit does.(Luke 2:26)


Jhn 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
Jhn 14:17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you

Luk 2:26 And it was revealed unto him by the Holy Ghost, that he should not see death, before he had seen the Lord's Christ.