Romans 13, Dumbest Passage in the New Testament?

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Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God. Therefore whoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment. For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad.

Yes, there are many candidates for 'Dumbest Passage in the New Testament,' but this is my nominee. Worse than the passage is the intellectual dishonesty of those who only trot it out when their political favorite is in office and making a jackass out of him or herself.

Like dross rising to the surface of molten metal, this impurity emerges only when YOUR guy gets elected. I've seen this bit of rubbish frequently published by 'Christians,' since Trump got elected. I don't recall anyone reminding us of Romans 13 when Obama was President.

[marke]

Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God. Therefore whoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment. For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad.

Yes, there are many candidates for 'Dumbest Passage in the New Testament,' but this is my nominee. Worse than the passage is the intellectual dishonesty of those who only trot it out when their political favorite is in office and making a jackass out of him or herself.

Like dross rising to the surface of molten metal, this impurity emerges only when YOUR guy gets elected. I've seen this bit of rubbish frequently published by 'Christians,' since Trump got elected. I don't recall anyone reminding us of Romans 13 when Obama was President.

The wicked despise God, Christians, authority, and rules. Of course Satan's deluded followers think the Bible is stupid.

[Clownboat]

The wicked despise God,

Which god concept are you talking about and why would wicked people despise this god concept?

Christians,

What is so despicable about Christians?

authority, and rules.

Same question...

Of course Satan's deluded followers think the Bible is stupid.

Please show us these followers of Satan you allude to and then kindly explain why they think that Bible is stupid.
Much appreciated!

[marke]

The wicked despise God,

Which god concept are you talking about and why would wicked people despise this god concept?

There is only One Creator God of the universe.

Christians,

What is so despicable about Christians?

Nothing so bad as to justify democrats calling Christians deplorable and garbage.

authority, and rules.

Same question...

Of course Satan's deluded followers think the Bible is stupid.

Please show us these followers of Satan you allude to and then kindly explain why they think that Bible is stupid.
Much appreciated!

1 Corinthians 1:18
For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

1 Corinthians 1:21
For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

1 Corinthians 1:23
But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;

1 Corinthians 1:25
Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.

1 Corinthians 2:14
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

[Clownboat]

Which god concept are you talking about and why would wicked people despise this god concept?

There is only One Creator God of the universe.

This is just a claim. There are in fact many god concepts credited with the creation of the universe. I note that some people will pick one and apply special pleading to then claim theirs is the one. The truth is, we don't know how the universe came to be.

Nothing so bad as to justify democrats calling Christians deplorable and garbage.

No one here is trying to justify anyone calling Christians deplorable or garbage. Christians are humans. Some good some bad, just like all of humanity.

Please show us these followers of Satan you allude to and then kindly explain why they think that Bible is stupid.
Much appreciated!

You failed to show us these followers of Satan. You should be honorable and retract your claim.

<Snipped some Bible verses for not being an authority>

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Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God. Therefore whoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment. For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad.

Yes, there are many candidates for 'Dumbest Passage in the New Testament,' but this is my nominee. Worse than the passage is the intellectual dishonesty of those who only trot it out when their political favorite is in office and making a jackass out of him or herself.

Like dross rising to the surface of molten metal, this impurity emerges only when YOUR guy gets elected. I've seen this bit of rubbish frequently published by 'Christians,' since Trump got elected. I don't recall anyone reminding us of Romans 13 when Obama was President.

Let’s get one thing straight. All Scripture is inspired of God, not half, or 99%, all scripture, 100%. If someone does not understand the meaning of a particular passage, instead of critiquing through a lack of knowledge, investigate and get all the facts.

The book of Romans was written between 56 and 58 A.D. Paul was writing to Christians in Rome. At that time, one of the greatest butchers of all time was ruling the Empire, his name was Nero; maybe you've heard of him.
One of emperor Nero’s most infamous acts was his Persecution of Christians. He was one of the first of many who attempted to suppress Christianity, which was still in its infancy. Yet, in the eyes of the Roman authorities, Christianity was a threat to them, and to the pagan gods of Rome.

Christians were subjected to cruel and humiliating punishments, ranging from being burned alive, thrown to wild beasts in the Colosseum, and crucifixion. Nero would eventually execute both Peter and Paul.
What Paul was doing was warning Christians to obey the Roman authority. Pay your tributes to Caesar, don’t borrow or owe money, don’t steal, commit adultery, don’t bear false witness, nor covet that which belongs to others.

These crimes would lead to a person's death, with no mercy shown.

Now, as far as creeps like Obama, Hilary, Nancy, Chucky boy, Biden, and the rest of the traitors who milked this country and gave away its wealth while the elderly struggled to pay their bills, nuts to them. Obama spent millions going back and forth to Hawaii on stinker golfing trips and made himself a millionaire while in office as the rest of the country was suffering under his load of crap. At the same time, he crushed the American economy, especially the job and housing markets. I served in the Marines many years ago. I would not have served under Obama or Biden; I would have gone AWOL before I served under these traitors to our military.

People like the ones I mentioned above care for themselves and their corrupt Lawyer friends only, piss on everyone else. In Bengasi, Hilary's decisions cost the lives of men that could have been saved. All she was concerned about was her stinker reputation. Joe Biden's withdrawal from Afghanistan was a crime committed and yet unpunished. Joe Biden and his family are nothing but a bunch of thieves; every one of them should have been tossed in jail.

[Clownboat]

Let’s get one thing straight. All Scripture is inspired of God

Since we don't even know who wrote most of the books of the Bible, I kindly ask you to please show that you speak the truth about this and that you are not just spewing religious platitudes in our faces.

Be well and thank you.

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Let’s get one thing straight. All Scripture is inspired of God

Since we don't even know who wrote most of the books of the Bible, I kindly ask you to please show that you speak the truth about this and that you are not just spewing religious platitudes in our faces.

Be well and thank you.

The writers, including Moses, who wrote the first five books of the Bible, were followed by Joshua, the prophets Samuel, Isaiah, Ezekiel, Daniel, and Hosea, etc., and men like Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, and Paul, among others. Each book has been documented by thousands of witnesses and by history. The witnesses may be dead, but their testimonies live on. The Bible books can be traced back over 3500 years. The Dead Sea Scrolls 2300 years. Archaeology is finally catching up with biblical history.

Biblical history is on display throughout the world in museums and on the internet. The great empires like the Assyrians, Babylonians, the Medes, Persians, Romans, Greeks, all having been prophesied hundreds of years before they came into existence, and today, as prophesied, they lie in ruins. The great kings of the Assyrian Empire, men like Sardanapalus, Pul, Babylonia's Nebuchadnezzar, Cyrus the Great, Darius, Alexander, and the mighty King of the Seleucid Empire, all prophesied hundreds of years before they were born. Christians call it prophecy; atheists call it luck, but whatever a person wants to call it, this is real evidence, not theory or conjecture.

That's my take on the subject. No one is forced to believe anything, but to deny real evidence is foolish at best.

[Clownboat]

Let’s get one thing straight. All Scripture is inspired of God

Since we don't even know who wrote most of the books of the Bible, I kindly ask you to please show that you speak the truth about this and that you are not just spewing religious platitudes in our faces.

Be well and thank you.

The writers, including Moses, who wrote the first five books of the Bible, were followed by Joshua, the prophets Samuel, Isaiah, Ezekiel, Daniel, and Hosea, etc., and men like Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, and Paul, among others.

This fails to confirm that a God, a being that presumably created the universe, inspired the Bible. It's also highly contested that Moses actually wrote the Torah, but that also has nothing to do with a God being inspiring anything so we can leave that belief for now.

Each book has been documented by thousands of witnesses and by history.

I have no idea what you mean about documenting each book, but either way, these words do nothing to show that you speak the truth about a God inspiring anything. Perhaps you mean a god concept inspired the writing, like how the Quran is inspired by the god concept Allah. Is that what you meant?

The witnesses may be dead, but their testimonies live on. The Bible books can be traced back over 3500 years. The Dead Sea Scrolls 2300 years. Archaeology is finally catching up with biblical history.

Books of the Bible cannot be traced back over 3,500 years. I'm not sure where you pulled that from, but either way, none of this confirms your claim that a God inspired anything.

Biblical history is on display throughout the world in museums and on the internet.

When does the God, the thing you claim inspired the Bible enter into your evidence?

The great empires like the Assyrians, Babylonians, the Medes, Persians, Romans, Greeks, all having been prophesied hundreds of years before they came into existence, and today, as prophesied, they lie in ruins.

Not evidence for your claim and humans cannot prophecy the future best we can tell. Any words written after an event took place are not a prediction, but again, this is outside of the claim you are being questioned about.

The great kings of the Assyrian Empire, men like Sardanapalus, Pul, Babylonia's Nebuchadnezzar, Cyrus the Great, Darius, Alexander, and the mighty King of the Seleucid Empire, all prophesied hundreds of years before they were born.

What is this about? If you feel this is important, please evidence what you are considering to be prophecy about these peoples.

Christians call it prophecy; atheists call it luck, but whatever a person wants to call it, this is real evidence, not theory or conjecture.

I see your claim. I sure hope you are able to show that you speak the truth about this better than you did about a god inspiring all scripture.

That's my take on the subject. No one is forced to believe anything, but to deny real evidence is foolish at best.

I would hate to be a fool, therefore I await your evidence that a God inspired the Bible and that humans can prophecy the future.

Do consider where I'm coming from. I asked for you to show that you speak the truth about a pretty amazing claim. Your evidence was to offer me even more hard to believe claims.
Imagine that I claimed that Santa was real and you asked for me to show that I speak the truth. Then imagine that my evidence was a claim that he also has reindeer that can fly and elves to make the toys for him.

Surely you can do better than that, no? If not, perhaps it is time to look inward.

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Let’s get one thing straight. All Scripture is inspired of God

Since we don't even know who wrote most of the books of the Bible, I kindly ask you to please show that you speak the truth about this and that you are not just spewing religious platitudes in our faces.

Be well and thank you.

The writers, including Moses, who wrote the first five books of the Bible, were followed by Joshua, the prophets Samuel, Isaiah, Ezekiel, Daniel, and Hosea, etc., and men like Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, and Paul, among others.

This fails to confirm that a God, a being that presumably created the universe, inspired the Bible. It's also highly contested that Moses actually wrote the Torah, but that also has nothing to do with a God being inspiring anything so we can leave that belief for now.

Each book has been documented by thousands of witnesses and by history.

I have no idea what you mean about documenting each book, but either way, these words do nothing to show that you speak the truth about a God inspiring anything. Perhaps you mean a god concept inspired the writing, like how the Quran is inspired by the god concept Allah. Is that what you meant?

The witnesses may be dead, but their testimonies live on. The Bible books can be traced back over 3500 years. The Dead Sea Scrolls 2300 years. Archaeology is finally catching up with biblical history.

Books of the Bible cannot be traced back over 3,500 years. I'm not sure where you pulled that from, but either way, none of this confirms your claim that a God inspired anything.

Biblical history is on display throughout the world in museums and on the internet.

When does the God, the thing you claim inspired the Bible enter into your evidence?

The great empires like the Assyrians, Babylonians, the Medes, Persians, Romans, Greeks, all having been prophesied hundreds of years before they came into existence, and today, as prophesied, they lie in ruins.

Not evidence for your claim and humans cannot prophecy the future best we can tell. Any words written after an event took place are not a prediction, but again, this is outside of the claim you are being questioned about.

The great kings of the Assyrian Empire, men like Sardanapalus, Pul, Babylonia's Nebuchadnezzar, Cyrus the Great, Darius, Alexander, and the mighty King of the Seleucid Empire, all prophesied hundreds of years before they were born.

What is this about? If you feel this is important, please evidence what you are considering to be prophecy about these peoples.

Christians call it prophecy; atheists call it luck, but whatever a person wants to call it, this is real evidence, not theory or conjecture.

I see your claim. I sure hope you are able to show that you speak the truth about this better than you did about a god inspiring all scripture.

That's my take on the subject. No one is forced to believe anything, but to deny real evidence is foolish at best.

I would hate to be a fool, therefore I await your evidence that a God inspired the Bible and that humans can prophecy the future.

Do consider where I'm coming from. I asked for you to show that you speak the truth about a pretty amazing claim. Your evidence was to offer me even more hard to believe claims.
Imagine that I claimed that Santa was real and you asked for me to show that I speak the truth. Then imagine that my evidence was a claim that he also has reindeer that can fly and elves to make the toys for him.

Surely you can do better than that, no? If not, perhaps it is time to look inward.

Before I respond, I need to understand your position on what you would consider the limits of men, and if there is a God, God himself. Let me begin with this, "Do you think any man can forecast future events accurately, let's say 100 to 1000 years in advance? Please do not bring up Nostradamus or Edgar Cayce, both were frauds.

[Clownboat]

Before I respond, I need to understand your position on what you would consider the limits of men

Would you accept?: Men can do things that are possible if they have the technology/ability to do so.

and if there is a God, God himself.

If there are Gods, I would not presume to know their limits. I also do not presume to know the limits of dragons and unicorns. I try to be consistent.

Let me begin with this, "Do you think any man can forecast future events accurately, let's say 100 to 1000 years in advance?

From the standpoint of 'learn your history or you are doomed to repeat it', sure. From that standpoint that humans can prophecy future events, no, that is not something humans have ever demonstrated an ability to do.

Congrats on distracting away from the observation that you were unable to show that you speak the truth about 'All Scripture being inspired of God'.
Asking questions in place of addressing asked questions is a common dodge we see here quite often.

Be well.

For the readers...
If I wanted to get you to believe in Santa Clause, would it help or hinder your ability to believe if I also required you to believe in flying reindeer and that there are elves that live in the North Pole that make all the toys?

I ask because here the claim was that all scripture is inspired by a God.
The baggage that comes along with this claim here was:
- We must believe that Moses wrote the Torah. Something we don't know and something most scholars see reasons to reject.
- That each book has been documented by thousands of witnesses and by history. Not exactly sure what this means and no clarification was provided upon request.
- The Bible books can be traced back over 3500 years. News to me!
- Archaeology is finally catching up with biblical history. (I don't deny that there is history in the Bible, but to assume archaeology if finally catching up is a bit much).
- Humans could at one time prophecy the future.
- And finally... all this is real evidence. "to deny real evidence is foolish at best."