Romans 13, Dumbest Passage in the New Testament?

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Romans 13, Dumbest Passage in the New Testament?

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Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God. Therefore whoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment. For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad.

Yes, there are many candidates for 'Dumbest Passage in the New Testament,' but this is my nominee. Worse than the passage is the intellectual dishonesty of those who only trot it out when their political favorite is in office and making a jackass out of him or herself.

Like dross rising to the surface of molten metal, this impurity emerges only when YOUR guy gets elected. I've seen this bit of rubbish frequently published by 'Christians,' since Trump got elected. I don't recall anyone reminding us of Romans 13 when Obama was President.

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Danmark wrote: Fri Oct 04, 2019 10:18 am Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God. Therefore whoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment. For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad.

Yes, there are many candidates for 'Dumbest Passage in the New Testament,' but this is my nominee. Worse than the passage is the intellectual dishonesty of those who only trot it out when their political favorite is in office and making a jackass out of him or herself.

Like dross rising to the surface of molten metal, this impurity emerges only when YOUR guy gets elected. I've seen this bit of rubbish frequently published by 'Christians,' since Trump got elected. I don't recall anyone reminding us of Romans 13 when Obama was President.
The wicked despise God, Christians, authority, and rules. Of course Satan's deluded followers think the Bible is stupid.

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marke wrote: Sat Jan 11, 2025 9:53 pm The wicked despise God,
Which god concept are you talking about and why would wicked people despise this god concept?
Christians,
What is so despicable about Christians?
authority, and rules.

Same question...
Of course Satan's deluded followers think the Bible is stupid.
Please show us these followers of Satan you allude to and then kindly explain why they think that Bible is stupid.
Much appreciated!
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Clownboat wrote: Mon Jan 13, 2025 2:18 pm
marke wrote: Sat Jan 11, 2025 9:53 pm The wicked despise God,
Which god concept are you talking about and why would wicked people despise this god concept?

There is only One Creator God of the universe.
Christians,
What is so despicable about Christians?

Nothing so bad as to justify democrats calling Christians deplorable and garbage.
authority, and rules.

Same question...
Of course Satan's deluded followers think the Bible is stupid.
Please show us these followers of Satan you allude to and then kindly explain why they think that Bible is stupid.
Much appreciated!
1 Corinthians 1:18
For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

1 Corinthians 1:21
For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

1 Corinthians 1:23
But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;

1 Corinthians 1:25
Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.

1 Corinthians 2:14
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.


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Clownboat wrote: Which god concept are you talking about and why would wicked people despise this god concept?
marke wrote: Mon Jan 13, 2025 4:39 pmThere is only One Creator God of the universe.
This is just a claim. There are in fact many god concepts credited with the creation of the universe. I note that some people will pick one and apply special pleading to then claim theirs is the one. The truth is, we don't know how the universe came to be.
Nothing so bad as to justify democrats calling Christians deplorable and garbage.
No one here is trying to justify anyone calling Christians deplorable or garbage. Christians are humans. Some good some bad, just like all of humanity.
Please show us these followers of Satan you allude to and then kindly explain why they think that Bible is stupid.
Much appreciated!
You failed to show us these followers of Satan. You should be honorable and retract your claim.

<Snipped some Bible verses for not being an authority>
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You can give a man a fish and he will be fed for a day, or you can teach a man to pray for fish and he will starve to death.

I blame man for codifying those rules into a book which allowed superstitious people to perpetuate a barbaric practice. Rules that must be followed or face an invisible beings wrath. - KenRU

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You can give a man a fish and he will be fed for a day, or you can teach a man to pray for fish and he will starve to death.

I blame man for codifying those rules into a book which allowed superstitious people to perpetuate a barbaric practice. Rules that must be followed or face an invisible beings wrath. - KenRU

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placebofactor wrote: Thu Apr 17, 2025 10:21 am Before I respond, I need to understand your position on what you would consider the limits of men
Would you accept?: Men can do things that are possible if they have the technology/ability to do so.
and if there is a God, God himself.
If there are Gods, I would not presume to know their limits. I also do not presume to know the limits of dragons and unicorns. I try to be consistent.
Let me begin with this, "Do you think any man can forecast future events accurately, let's say 100 to 1000 years in advance?

From the standpoint of 'learn your history or you are doomed to repeat it', sure. From that standpoint that humans can prophecy future events, no, that is not something humans have ever demonstrated an ability to do.

Congrats on distracting away from the observation that you were unable to show that you speak the truth about 'All Scripture being inspired of God'.
Asking questions in place of addressing asked questions is a common dodge we see here quite often.

Be well.

For the readers...
If I wanted to get you to believe in Santa Clause, would it help or hinder your ability to believe if I also required you to believe in flying reindeer and that there are elves that live in the North Pole that make all the toys?

I ask because here the claim was that all scripture is inspired by a God.
The baggage that comes along with this claim here was:
- We must believe that Moses wrote the Torah. Something we don't know and something most scholars see reasons to reject.
- That each book has been documented by thousands of witnesses and by history. Not exactly sure what this means and no clarification was provided upon request.
- The Bible books can be traced back over 3500 years. News to me!
- Archaeology is finally catching up with biblical history. (I don't deny that there is history in the Bible, but to assume archaeology if finally catching up is a bit much).
- Humans could at one time prophecy the future.
- And finally... all this is real evidence. "to deny real evidence is foolish at best."
You can give a man a fish and he will be fed for a day, or you can teach a man to pray for fish and he will starve to death.

I blame man for codifying those rules into a book which allowed superstitious people to perpetuate a barbaric practice. Rules that must be followed or face an invisible beings wrath. - KenRU

It is sad that in an age of freedom some people are enslaved by the nomads of old. - Marco

If you are unable to demonstrate that what you believe is true and you absolve yourself of the burden of proof, then what is the purpose of your arguments? - brunumb

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