Donald Trump an unamerican platform.

[DanieltheDragon]

Donald Trump has perhaps the most unamerican platform.

1. deporting of naturalized citizens
2. closing of religious institutions
3. registration of religous groups coupled with special identification


is Trump's policies unamerican or unconstitutional?

is Trump's positions defensible?

[RonE]

Donald Trump has perhaps the most unamerican platform.

1. deporting of naturalized citizens
2. closing of religious institutions
3. registration of religous groups coupled with special identification


is Trump's policies unamerican or unconstitutional?

is Trump's positions defensible?

Seems I haven't directly answered the OP questions:
Are trump's policies unamerican? Please define unamerican.
Are trump's policies unconstitutional? Yes, as the constitution stands today.
Are trump's positions defensible? He's a political animal, just like Hillary, just fishing for votes. If it is defensible it would be phrased in the issue of national defense.

[Danmark]

Ya know if you apply that same math to Hillary's chances she's at 26.5%.

Compared to 20% that's a HUGE advantage, about 33%, depending on how you want to figure it. In a general 53% beats 40% every time.

Two things keep getting overlooked when the discussion turns to Trump being ahead in the polls vs. his GOP competitors:
1. Trump has HUGE negatives. There are a large percentage of GOP voters who won't vote for him no matter what.
2. There are still about 12 people still in the GOP race. Eventually this will come down to a two person race for the nomination. Cruz and Rubio alone have approximately as much support as Trump.

A third factor is independents. They favor Sanders to Trump bay almost 2 to 1.
OTOH Clinton is a distant 3d to Sanders and Trump among independents.

[RonE]

Ya know if you apply that same math to Hillary's chances she's at 26.5%.

Compared to 20% that's a HUGE advantage, about 33%, depending on how you want to figure it. In a general 53% beats 40% every time.

Two things keep getting overlooked when the discussion turns to Trump being ahead in the polls vs. his GOP competitors:
1. Trump has HUGE negatives. There are a large percentage of GOP voters who won't vote for him no matter what.
2. There are still about 12 people still in the GOP race. Eventually this will come down to a two person race for the nomination. Cruz and Rubio alone have approximately as much support as Trump.

A third factor is independents. They favor Sanders to Trump bay almost 2 to 1.
OTOH Clinton is a distant 3d to Sanders and Trump among independents.

Do you have any comments on my original posting? I'm heading home now won't be checking back for a while.

[DanieltheDragon]

[Replying to post 31 by Wootah]

My thoughts are it is a bad idea as well as impassable. Can you explain why it is a good idea to deport Americans?

I didn't say it is a good idea, nor am I promoting it. I was only speculating on the possibility and what it would take to overcome the legal issues.

That was sent to Wootah not suggesting you suggested as such.

[micatala]

Donald Trump has perhaps the most unamerican platform.

1. deporting of naturalized citizens
2. closing of religious institutions
3. registration of religous groups coupled with special identification


is Trump's policies unamerican or unconstitutional?

is Trump's positions defensible?

These are overtly dangerous and insane policies, but I am still inclined to vote for him.

If he had a chance of actually implementing any of these initiatives then I would NOT vote for him, but there are too many checks and balances in the American system that will prevent him from deporting citizens or closing down mosques.

I think you are probably right. On the other hand, it should be pointed out that many on the right refuse to acknowledge that the things they claim Obama would like to do (or is doing in secret) are also never going to happen.

How many times have we heard Republicans claim Obama is going "to take your guns away." Any sane person should understand that any President is not going to able to make America a gun-free zone. In addition, Obama has NEVER SAID OR PROPOSED ANYTHING CLOSE TO THIS.

At least with Donald Trump, he has explicitly said he is going to do these crazy and unconstitutional things. And, I think evidence suggests based on his rhetoric, he is a lot more likely to at least try to do what he claims than Obama is likely to do what he has not claimed. Thus, we should certainly be way more afraid of Trump than Obama

Now, I'm inclined to vote for him simply because of the entertainment factor. As I wrote in another thread:

There is no denying there is an entertainment factor. For me, however, we are getting pretty close to the 'jump the shark' moment.

Trump's candidacy and his potential presidency can be seen as a huge political experiment. The question we're trying to answer: What happens to a country when you make a crazy, unruly reality TV star billionaire the president? Despite all the ethical problems, I'm willing to approve this experiment for the next four years.

Not me.

Here are some possible, even likely results from this experiment:

1) Because he is not really competent to govern, governing will fall to others. This means much more of what some have complained about under Obama. Unelected czars running the show. In addition, congress would have to step up to the plate and be more responsible, given the lack of responsibility in the oval office. How likely is that to happen given what we have seen in congress over the last decade?

2) Our standing abroad will plummet. The parliament in the UK has already debated whether to let 'the Donald' into the country. How likely is it that the PM will view Trump as a reasonable ally in anything?

3) If our enemies have been emboldened because of Obama's alleged weakness, they will be more emboldened under a Trump Administration because they know he is full of hot air and not at all prone to reasonable diplomacy.

Nothing will change if Clinton, Sanders, Cruz, Rubio or Bush are elected, and plus the next four years will be incredibly BORING. Trump is crazy, but harmless given the way our system is constructed. It will be a very entertaining next four years.

Boring and safe is not better than exciting and dangerous? Isn't the whole point of a foreign policy to keep things as boring and safe as possible? Don't businesses and capitalists crave predictability and stability?



Now, perhaps you are right. Perhaps Trump is completely harmless.

But you must realize if that is the case, then all the blathering about Obama ruining the country over the last 8 years has been entirely groundless. If Trump is harmless, why not Obama or anyone else, even if they are less entertaining?

[micatala]

Put another way Islam and Nazi Germany and Europe (in history) itself lost in part due to their limiting, expelling or killing of Jews. Hey let's kill the brightest and hardest working in our country and then go to war. If we expelled Islam from a country what would be the net loss?

The net loss would be millions of innocent Americans who were ethnically cleansed because a section of the population was so taken by their irrational fear and hate that they made the decision to commit an act of genocide. Removing Muslims from this country wouldn't just be inhuman, it would be literally genocidal.

It seems some don't care to learn from the atrocities of the past.

We would certainly lose a lot of talent that could be used in the fight against terror. Human intelligence is valuable. Muslims are a lot more likely to get it than non-Muslims in the areas we need it.

[Monta]

DanieltheDragon wrote:

Donald Trump has perhaps the most unamerican platform.

1. deporting of naturalized citizens
2. closing of religious institutions
3. registration of religous groups coupled with special identification

is Trump's policies unamerican or unconstitutional?
is Trump's positions defensible?//

This is what's going on Europe. Is it any different in US?

According to the police, there is a whole training system for terrorists in Europe. Special training camps operate covertly in the guise of religious meetings.

Jihadis are taught how to handle weapons and behave oneself during an interrogation. The skills are needed to conduct terror acts at their home countries and abroad. Education is carried out in the guise of religious lessons and the Koran reading. - See more at: http://www.pravdareport.com/news/world/ ... nkcgY.dpuf

[PghPanther]

[Replying to post 1 by DanieltheDragon]

It about time we nominate and elect a horse to run for this office..............that's about the strongest message I could send as a voter these days.

[Danmark]

Donald Trump has perhaps the most unamerican platform.

1. deporting of naturalized citizens
2. closing of religious institutions
3. registration of religous groups coupled with special identification


is Trump's policies unamerican or unconstitutional?

is Trump's positions defensible?

Seems I haven't directly answered the OP questions:
Are trump's policies unamerican? Please define unamerican.
Are trump's policies unconstitutional? Yes, as the constitution stands today.
Are trump's positions defensible? He's a political animal, just like Hillary, just fishing for votes. If it is defensible it would be phrased in the issue of national defense.

"UnAmerican" admittedly is in the eye of the beholder, but I would claim the core of our values are contained in the Declaraton of Independence and the Constitution, and tho' more debatable, in the Federalist Papers.

For me, what is at the core of American values are the things enshrined in the 1st Amendment, which can be summed as 'The right to freedom of thought and its free expression.' Upon this axiom all our other rights and liberties depend. Trump has plainly announced he dos not believe this. He wants to rewrite the 1st Amendment to exclude muslims and to stifle the press. When he makes broad, sweeping polemics at 'Mexicans,' and Muslims, and 'losers, he is proclaiming his unAmerican agenda. I careful reading of Mein Kampf demonstrates how closely the Trumpster follows Hitler.

The Germans were warned. Trump has warned us.
I find it sadly laughable and naive in the extreme that people are actually following a man who proudly tells them HE is one of those who abused the system for his personal gain, yet he will curb the very pack of thieves he is part of. The most dangerous part of Donald Trump is that he appears to have no core values outside of self interest and the amassing of a fortune.

[Danmark]

Monta wrote:

According to the police, there is a whole training system for terrorists in Europe. Special training camps operate covertly in the guise of religious meetings.

Jihadis are taught how to handle weapons and behave oneself during an interrogation. The skills are needed to conduct terror acts at their home countries and abroad. Education is carried out in the guise of religious lessons and the Koran reading.

I see this as an extreme form of what has gone on from time to time in many countries, including the U.S. When religion, nationalism, fear, phony patriotism and militarism coincide they become a volitile, ugly mixture. It's important not to judge all Muslims by Jihadis' and not all Christians by the Spanish inquisition or Christian racism.
http://www.badnewsaboutchristianity.com/gab_racism.htm