Pro Basketball Player Announces he is Gay... AND BLACK!!

Ooberman · Post by **Ooberman** » Mon Apr 29, 2013 3:31 pm

OK, so it's not really shocking he's black... This is the first time an active professional athlete in a major sport has announced he was gay.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/magazi ... ile=no#all

Needless to say, now that the Christian Extremists are in decline, the responses are largely positive.

I'm sure there will be pockets of bigots who continue to attack, but the age of institutionalized bigotry towards homosexuals based on religious belief is in decline, thank God, so to speak.

Again, I repeat myself, Gay Rights is not an issue any more. It's done. Gay marriage will happen, gay rights WILL happen, and majority public acceptance WILL happen.

The question is what should we do about the small, vocal and hostile minority who would spread filth and lies in the name of God?

charles_hamm · Post by **charles_hamm** » Thu May 02, 2013 2:44 pm

Ooberman wrote:
Who here is going to stand up and tell us the truth?
I thought we had been telling you the truth. I will restate it.

Does God hate Gayness?

God hates sin. Homosexuality is a sin, so yes God hates homosexual behavior.

If not, why have Christians hated it?
We don't "hate" it. We don't accept it as a lifestyle choice a person should make based on Biblical principals. Is it hate to disagree with a person, or groups for that matter, lifestyle and actions? If so then everybody hates someone eleses' lifestyle in this world.

Why hate it at all?

If by hate you mean disagree, I've already explained that.

Why set laws against it? Warn against it?
Laws are set by groups of morally similar individuals. If you are going to ask this question then your opening a whole can of worms. We warn because as Christians we are called to tell someone when they are sinning, in a respectful, loving manor, and try to help them stop.

Make it an uncomfortable conversation at the dinner table?
Who is it uncomfortable for? Most Christians do not hide their position on the issue so if it gets brought up, the other party knows the Christians position and should be O.K. with it. Isn't that what acceptance is all about?

Many gay people, within our generation, never announced their life-long partner for fear of losing everything: Family, Friends, Work, their Life.
Are you sure about this one? Could it be that they knew they were sinning and did not want anyone to know about their sin? Could it be that they knew if they told their family and friends those people might try to show them where their lifestyle was unacceptable to them? Could it be that they knew the affect their lifestyle would have on their family and friends? Did they loose or give up their family and friends?

Yes, gays have been disenfranchized. Particularly during the Red Scare and McCarthy.
Both of those occurred in the 1950s. Do you have something more recent?

charles_hamm · Post by **charles_hamm** » Thu May 02, 2013 2:48 pm

keithprosser3 wrote:
Does it bother you that that Miss America contestant a few years ago who stood up for traditional marriage was persecuted?
Reading up on that, it doesn't seem she was imprisoned or forced to undergo hormone-based treatment to 'cure' her. If that is the worst thing that has happened to a mixed-sex marriage supporter then, no, I'm not particularly bothered.

I find rather interesting that the level of persecution seems to be how you determine how bothered you are by it. What would have had to be done to her for you to become bothered (in other words at what level of persecution)?

Ooberman · Post by **Ooberman** » Thu May 02, 2013 5:40 pm

charles_hamm wrote:
God hates sin. Homosexuality is a sin, so yes God hates homosexual behavior.

Why is it a sin?

We don't accept it as a lifestyle choice a person should make based on Biblical principals.

So you decided to choose a religion that just happens to think homosexuality is a sin? Why not choose a religion that speaks out against pedophilia or murdering people for religious reasons?

Were you drawn to Christianity because it made your homophobia seem ok?

charles_hamm · Post by **charles_hamm** » Thu May 02, 2013 5:47 pm

Ooberman wrote:
charles_hamm wrote:
God hates sin. Homosexuality is a sin, so yes God hates homosexual behavior.
Why is it a sin?
It is called abnormal sexual relations and detestable in the Bible and the Bible states the the Lord hates detestable things.

We don't accept it as a lifestyle choice a person should make based on Biblical principals.
So you decided to choose a religion that just happens to think homosexuality is a sin? Why not choose a religion that speaks out against pedophilia or murdering people for religious reasons?
Christianity does not endorse either one, so you can say I did choose one that calls both of those a sin.

Were you drawn to Christianity because it made your homophobia seem ok?
Nope I was drawn because of Jesus Christ and the salvation He gives. Were drawn away from Christianity because it made your Christophobia seem O.K.?

East of Eden · Post by **East of Eden** » Thu May 02, 2013 6:15 pm

keithprosser3 wrote:
Does it bother you that that Miss America contestant a few years ago who stood up for traditional marriage was persecuted?
Reading up on that, it doesn't seem she was imprisoned or forced to undergo hormone-based treatment to 'cure' her.

Lots of people with same sex attarction want treatment to change. Do you have a problem with that?

Ooberman · Post by **Ooberman** » Thu May 02, 2013 8:41 pm

charles_hamm wrote: It is called abnormal sexual relations and detestable in the Bible and the Bible states the the Lord hates detestable things.

It's completely normal in Nature. Why does God think it's abnormal? Does he hate Nature, too?

BTW, What is normal? Anal sex with a woman? Oral sex? Masturbation? Polygamy? Knocking up 14 year olds (like "God" did to Mary?).

So you decided to choose a religion that just happens to think homosexuality is a sin? Why not choose a religion that speaks out against pedophilia or murdering people for religious reasons?
Christianity does not endorse either one, so you can say I did choose one that calls both of those a sin.

Please cite the references. And why did you God command death to people, if he didn't agree with religious killing? Why did he endorse Mary who had married at 14, perhaps even had children younger?

Nope I was drawn because of Jesus Christ and the salvation He gives. Were drawn away from Christianity because it made your Christophobia seem O.K.?

So when did you decide homosexual was detestable? The day you read the Bible?
That's when I became a non-Christian, btw. When I read the Bible.

Ooberman · Post by **Ooberman** » Thu May 02, 2013 8:42 pm

BTW, other religions give salvation, too. I thin you picked Christianity because you liked the cut of Jesus' jib...

Post by **otseng** » Thu May 02, 2013 9:45 pm

East of Eden wrote: Let God be true and every man a liar.

Really dumb equating this to racism.

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KCKID · Post by **KCKID** » Fri May 03, 2013 6:38 am

East of Eden wrote:
keithprosser3 wrote:
Does it bother you that that Miss America contestant a few years ago who stood up for traditional marriage was persecuted?
Reading up on that, it doesn't seem she was imprisoned or forced to undergo hormone-based treatment to 'cure' her.
Lots of people with same sex attarction want treatment to change. Do you have a problem with that?

If homosexuality is a choice, i.e. congenital, as so many Christians claim ...then why would 'lots of people' require treatment to change?

East of Eden · Post by **East of Eden** » Fri May 03, 2013 9:59 am

otseng wrote:
East of Eden wrote: Let God be true and every man a liar.

Really dumb equating this to racism.
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Clarification: I apologize for the 'dumb' comment, the other was a quotation from Romans 3:4, "Not at all! Let God be true, and every human being a liar. As it is written: "So that you may be proved right when you speak and prevail when you judge." I should have included the reference.