Is the prayer veiling commmanded in scripture?

[scottlittlefield17]

I believe that the prayer veiling or covering as some call it is required in scripture for all Christian women. I would like to hear your reasons why you don't think so and I will try to address them.

But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven.
1Co 11:6 For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered.

The word covered there is the Greek word katakaluptō which according to Strongs means to

cover wholly, that is, veil: - cover, hide.

The Greek word for head means the

the part most readily taken hold of

i.e. the hair.

[Benoni]

Benoni thats it!

1Pe 4:18 And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?

Who is righteous. Peter, Paul, and James. so if their barley saved where will you appear.

Php 2:12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.

Why would we need to work out our salvation with fear and trembling if your philosophy grace which is not in the bible covers everything!

Heb 10:26 For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

Heb 10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

Your looking at hell fire if don't obey everything the bible teaches after you know it.

Heb 10:30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.

Heb 10:31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

Ya if grace covers everything then why will God judge his people that means there saved. Oh and its a fearful thing to fall in the hands of a living God!!!!!!!!

Rom 11:21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.

O why would God spare not thee a "saved person".

Heb 6:4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,

Heb 6:5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,

Heb 6:6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

Heb 6:7 For the earth which drinketh in the rain that cometh oft upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed, receiveth blessing from God:

Heb 6:8 But that which beareth thorns and briars is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned.

The bible is saying that you can loose your salvation and you cant get it back. How do you loose it not obey Gods words.

The bible says if you bear thorns your rejected how do you bear thorns you just don't do why the bible says to. It also says your end is to be burned.

First of all let us get down to basic scripture 101. I will be glad to back up my scriptural based opinion as we debate.

God is not calling the world now; He is only calling the firstfruits.

Hell is a religious Papal belief which is not even scriptural.

Man does not have a freewill to choose God; God forces man when it comes to salvation.

Have you ever heard of the Tabernacle of David? It is scriptural. Look it up.

[Benoni]

By the way man does not have a freewill towards salvation; infact the Bible teaches to the contrary.

[oldkjv]

Your right your either saved or lost. Depending on what you do with your life

[Benoni]

Your right your either saved or lost. Depending on what you do with your life

Wrong...

It is according to if God calls you. If God does not call you you do not have the ability to come on your own free will.

[oldkjv]

Luke 13:3 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.

Why did Jesus say this then? Was he speaking for nothing?
And why did Jesus even preach the gospel if he had already chosen who he wanted?


My bible

Luk 6:47 Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them, I will show you to whom he is like:

Your bible

Luk 6:47 Whosoever I have chosen, and hearth my sayings, he dosint have to do them because I have chosen him, so don't even hear my sayings.

My bible

Mar 8:34 And when he had called the people unto him with his disciples also, he said unto them, Whosoever will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.

Your bible

Mar 8:34 And when he had called the people unto him with his disciples also, he said unto them, Whosoever I have chosen, I have already chosen you so you already have denied yourself even though your in adultery, and you don't have to take up your cross, and follow me because I have already chosen you so you can do whatever you want it doesn't matter.

My bible

Luk 9:24 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: but whosoever will lose his life for my sake, the same shall save it.

Your bible

Luk 9:24 For whosoever will save his life if he is chosen shall save it: but whosoever is not chosen and will lose his life for my sake is a fool because he did that for nothing and is going to burn in hell forever.

Your bible again

Luk 9:24 For whosoever will save his life if he is chosen shall save it: but whosoever is chosen and will lose his life for my sake is a fool because he did that for nothing because he is already saved.

My bible

Mar 3:35 For whosoever shall do the will of God, the same is my brother, and my sister, and mother.

Your bible

Mar 3:35 For whosoever shall not do the will of God but is chosen, the same is my brother, and my sister, and mother.

Btw what denomination are you?

[ChaosBorders]

By the way man does not have a freewill towards salvation; infact the Bible teaches to the contrary.

Personally I would agree and go a step further by asserting man does not have free will at all.

[Benoni]

Man might have a freewill to choose an apple over and orange; or a pepsi over a coke; or if he is really wealthy a Honda over a Ford but that is about the limits. Man did not choose his country, his parents, color of skin and there is no where in scripture that declares man can chose his own salvation. Like I said God is not calling all people now and besides when he does you will have no choice.

By the way man does not have a freewill towards salvation; infact the Bible teaches to the contrary.

Personally I would agree and go a step further by asserting man does not have free will at all.

[Benoni]

OK but if God calls it doesn't mean you have to come.

Btw what denomination are you?

WRONG…..

Verse 44 says “no one� and uses the word “draw� which also in the Greek means drag, I like the word FORCED. .

John 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw (Gk(drag) him: and I will raise him up at the last day.



1670 helkuo (hel-koo'-o);or helko (hel'-ko); probably akin to 138; to drag (literally or figuratively):

[oldkjv]

Luke 13:3 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.

Why did Jesus say this then? Was he speaking for nothing?
And why did Jesus even preach the gospel if he had already chosen who he wanted?


My bible

Luk 6:47 Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them, I will show you to whom he is like:

Your bible

Luk 6:47 Whosoever I have chosen, and hearth my sayings, he dosint have to do them because I have chosen him, so don't even hear my sayings.

My bible

Mar 8:34 And when he had called the people unto him with his disciples also, he said unto them, Whosoever will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.

Your bible

Mar 8:34 And when he had called the people unto him with his disciples also, he said unto them, Whosoever I have chosen, I have already chosen you so you already have denied yourself even though your in adultery, and you don't have to take up your cross, and follow me because I have already chosen you so you can do whatever you want it doesn't matter.

My bible

Luk 9:24 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: but whosoever will lose his life for my sake, the same shall save it.

Your bible

Luk 9:24 For whosoever will save his life if he is chosen shall save it: but whosoever is not chosen and will lose his life for my sake is a fool because he did that for nothing and is going to burn in hell forever.

Your bible again

Luk 9:24 For whosoever will save his life if he is chosen shall save it: but whosoever is chosen and will lose his life for my sake is a fool because he did that for nothing because he is already saved.

My bible

Mar 3:35 For whosoever shall do the will of God, the same is my brother, and my sister, and mother.

Your bible

Mar 3:35 For whosoever shall not do the will of God but is chosen, the same is my brother, and my sister, and mother.

Btw what denomination are you?

[Benoni]

It is not a matter of your Bible or my Bible it is a matter of seeking asking and knocking. John 6:44 is just as valid as your verse and oviously something does not add up. So please let us look a little deeper instead of just quoting a bunch of verses out of context .

Notice the Strong’s Concordances reference <9999 >, it is worse then 666.

(KJV) John 3 14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:15 That whosoever believeth in him should (not perish,) should be omitted), but have eternal life.16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that (whosoever, should be "all") (believeth, should be that "all believing") in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

The following are a direct quote from Strong’s Concordance.

John 3:15
<9999 > should
<9999 > not
<9999 > perish,
<9999 > but

NT:9999

9999 inserted word (x);

This word was added by the translators for better readability in the English. There is no actual word in the Hebrew/Greek text. The word may be displayed in italics, or in parentheses or other brackets, to indicate that it is not in the original text.


Now we will look at a passage in the New Testament; viz., that precious declaration in John 3:16,

"God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son," etc. We will take into consideration verses 14-17 inclusive; first I will clear up several points of obscurity and error and then give the rendering as it should be.

In verse 15 the words "not perish but" should be omitted; according to the best authorities they have been interpolated, probably from the following verse; they are left out from the New Version.

Strong's Whosoever 3956 pas (pas);including all the forms of declension; apparently a primary word; all, any, every, the whole: KJV-- all (manner of, means), alway (-s), any (one), X daily, + ever, every (one, way), as many as, + no (-thing), X thoroughly, whatsoever, whole, whosoever.

The word "whosoever" in the l5th and l6th verses should be rendered "all"; in the original it is the word usually rendered all throughout the New Testament; it occurs hundreds of times, and it is rendered
"all" in over nine hundred instances, and whosoever in only about forty; the rendering all then is plainly the usual one.

The word rendered "believeth," in the original is a participle, "believing"; the clause should read, "that all, believing in him should not," etc. The words, "believing in him," are explanatory, telling us how "all" are to be saved, viz, by believing in him. In the common version it will be noticed that the participle is, without authority, rendered by the verb "believeth," and the words, "whosoever believeth in him" are thereby made to have a conditional force, as though it read, if they believe in him, implying that some will not believe in him, and hence will perish, and be lost eternally.

But this is not a correct rendering of the original, as I have shown above; the clause is not conditional, but is thrown in, as a participial form, as explanatory of the manner of the world's salvation, by believing in him; this view is fully confirmed by the l9th verse; "for God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world but that the world through him might be saved."

Might be saved: Stong's 4982 sozo (sode'-zo); from a primary sos (contraction for obsolete saoz, "safe"); to save, i.e. deliver or protect (literally or figuratively): KJV-- heal, preserve, save (self), do well, be
(make) whole. The word “might� was added by the translator

Now I will give the whole passage as it ought to be.

"As Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the son of man be lifted up, that all,
believing in him. might have æonial life. For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son,
that all, believing in him, might not perish, but have æonial life. For God sent not his Son into the world
to condemn the world but that the world through him be saved."

Thus truthfully translated this passage is one of the grandest and most sweeping declarations of the final universal triumph of God's grace in the salvation of the world, contained in the Bible. It is positive and direct, and mighty enough, could they only appreciate it, to utterly silence all those narrow, shortsighted souls who think that God will only gain a partial victory over the devil, that he will not save the world, but only a portion of it, a vast number being eternally lost. It is very plain why the translators of the common version handled this passage as they did. Their creed would not allow them to accept it just as it reads; it required only a slight change to make it conform to their own idea. They insert the unusual rendering "whosoever," change believing to "believeth," and then, punctuating it accordingly, the passage is "tinkered" so as to harmonize with the creed. Thank God for deliverance from man made creeds!

"Let God be true, though every man be false" (Rom. 3:4).

Young’s Literal John 3:14 `And as Moses did lift up the serpent in the wilderness, so it behoveth the Son of Man to be lifted up, 15 that every one who is believing in him may not perish, but may have life age-during, 16 for God did so love the world, that His Son -- the only begotten -- He gave, that every one who is believing in him may not perish, but may have life age-during. 17 For God did not send His Son to the world that he may judge the world, but that the world may be saved through him;