Sexuality & Orientation: A question.

[marketandchurch]

This is a question I am very curious about, vis-a-vis the Christian/Muslim/Jew crowd. But atheists are welcome to chime in as well. Do you think sexuality is fixed?

If you think sexuality is fixed, what is your own personal explanation for the existence of other sexualities? Are there several possibilities vis-a-vis orientation, for the human creature? And by fixed nature, what do you believe is the strength of that rigidity?

Do you think it is somewhat of a spectrum wherein there are most of us, who have a fixed heterosexual orientation, a small group who have a fixed homosexual orientation, and an even tinier portion who are "confused," have multiple sexual identities, or no sexual identity at all?

In other words, please explain your view of the matter in full, and I would love to just get a cross-section of where Christians/Muslim/Jew are on the matter. It is incredibly helpful, because the premise we hold will frame the way we approach the issue of same-sex marriage.

Feel free to expand this to the greater Gay-Marriage debate if you wish, so long as it relates to gender, sexual orientation, and its affects on the society at large.

[mitty]

[Replying to post 377 by charles_hamm] The default situation is that gods don't exist. The onus is on the evangelist or the salvation salesman to demonstrate otherwise if they want to sell their product.

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[bluethread]

[Replying to post 372 by charles_hamm]Where does the bible say he wasn't a drunk? Where did he refute the observations about his drinking habits recorded in Matt 11:19 Luke 7:34?

What part of guilt by innuendo don't you understand. Where in this thread did you say you did not practice necrophilia? You did call the accusation childish, as Yeshua did regarding the accusations of drunkenness. So, what is it. Are you going to stop this silliness or confess that you are necrophiliac?

[charles_hamm]

[Replying to post 377 by charles_hamm] The default situation is that gods don't exist. The onus is on the evangelist or the salvation salesman to demonstrate otherwise if they want to sell their product.

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The default situation is that a person does not know if God exist.

[mitty]

[Replying to post 372 by charles_hamm]Where does the bible say he wasn't a drunk? Where did he refute the observations about his drinking habits recorded in Matt 11:19 Luke 7:34?

What part of guilt by innuendo don't you understand. Where in this thread did you say you did not practice necrophilia? You did call the accusation childish, as Yeshua did regarding the accusations of drunkenness. So, what is it. Are you going to stop this silliness or confess that you are necrophiliac?

What on earth has my alleged lifestyle got to do with the observations about Jesus' drunkenness which he didn't refute? Where does Jesus condemn drunkenness, including those at the wedding who some claim guzzled down hundreds or thousands of litres of grog including 600 litres magically transmuted from water? Why didn't Jesus suggest to the already intoxicated wedding guests that in the interests of their health that they should drink the water instead? But he didn't, and was therefore guilty of assisting them to become even more drunk. Well done Jesus!!! I guess that's a fine example to all alcoholics, and I wonder if alcoholics anonymous hold Jesus' example about alcohol abuse as part of their creed?

And I presume that you are aware of this forum's rules about personal comments of other contributors, and particularly if they are totally unfounded such as your childish accusations of necrophilia. There's rule in football about playing the ball, not the man.

[mitty]

[Replying to post 377 by charles_hamm] The default situation is that gods don't exist. The onus is on the evangelist or the salvation salesman to demonstrate otherwise if they want to sell their product.

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The default situation is that a person does not know if God exist.

Then it's no sale. I want to see the goods before I buy. The world is full of people trying to sell snake-oil and wrinkle-cream and after-death salvation. And similarly the default situation therefore is that you don't know if Zeus or Wodin or Thor or Frig or Saturn exist, given they are acknowledged each week.

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[Baz]

I looked up the population of Galilee at the time of Jesus, probably about 400 deduct half for woman and children, forgetting any too old, ill etc. I would speculate that is would be unlikely that more than 200 attended. I wonder who was sober enough to remember what happened.

[mitty]

I looked up the population of Galilee at the time of Jesus, probably about 400 deduct half for woman and children, forgetting any too old, ill etc. I would speculate that is would be unlikely that more than 200 attended. I wonder who was sober enough to remember what happened.

The better question is - who was alive after that binge?

[bluethread]

quote="mitty"]

[Replying to post 372 by charles_hamm]Where does the bible say he wasn't a drunk? Where did he refute the observations about his drinking habits recorded in Matt 11:19 Luke 7:34?

What part of guilt by innuendo don't you understand. Where in this thread did you say you did not practice necrophilia? You did call the accusation childish, as Yeshua did regarding the accusations of drunkenness. So, what is it. Are you going to stop this silliness or confess that you are necrophiliac?

What on earth has my alleged lifestyle got to do with the observations about Jesus' drunkenness which he didn't refute? Where does Jesus condemn drunkenness including those at the wedding who some claim guzzled down hundreds or thousands of litres of grog including 600 litres magically transmuted from water?[/quote]

Let's dissect this to show the validity of the comparison. There's your alleged lifestyle and the "observations" alleged by you regarding Yeshua. You have presented no evidence of Yeshua being observed in a state of drunkenness and I have not presented any evidence of you having sex with the dead. Also, apart from calling the accusation childish, you have not refuted it. Yeshua also compared the accusations to the actions of children. In both cases, the conclusion is based entirely on accusation and the only refutation is a reference to childishness. The second sentence is also a twofer. We have no record of Yeshua condemning drunkenness and we have no record of you condemning necrophilia. Also, you say that "some claim" that the amount provided is equal to the amount consumed. Who is making that claim and on what basis? Therefore, apart from the fact that I did not say that "some claim" that you have had sex with every dead body you have seen, the justification for my accusation seems to have exactly the same amount of credibility as yours. Do you still hold that your method of judgment is sound?

[mitty]

[Replying to post 386 by bluethread]

There is not the slightest comparison between you saying that I am a necrophiliac without a skerrick of evidence, and the published observed behavior of Jesus (Matt 13:55-8) which he didn't refute and his obvious condoning of drunkenness (John 2). And that consistency in his permissive attitude towards alcohol consumption is shown at his last meal and how important boozing was in his life (Matt 26:29 Mark 14:25 Luke 22:18).

And perhaps I should again remind you of this forum's rule about making unfounded negative personal comments about other contributors.

[mitty]

[Replying to post 386 by bluethread] And given that Baz indicates that less than 200 boozers could have been at that wedding, what would be the point in filling 6 barrels with water. Surely an extra 100 litres of grog would have been sufficient, and if there were some drunks still able to move, then more grog could have been transmuted from water. The whole story is almost as credible and logical as a square circle.