Secular schools destroy morality.

[FinalEnigma]

Well, Zyzzx, for the last 40 years we've seen some real fine examples of your humanism as work. The schools have become war zones and morality has been flushed down the PC toilets. Congratulations on your religion free Utopian wasteland. LOL!!!

Easyrider claims that humanism destroy a countries morality through the school system. can it be shown that humanism is the cause of a decline in morality in one of the most christian countries in the world?

questions for debate:
Is there a decline in morality in america?

If so, is it a result of the school system?

If so, is the decline of the school system a result of secular humanism?

[Chimp]

There are tremendous negative societal consequences to divorce, including crime that you ask about below. 80% of prison inmates were raised in single parent homes. See http://www.dadsnow.org/studies/heritage1.htm

It's almost like God knew what He was talking about warning against it.

Single parent homes are not specifically the result of divorce, which makes your
correlation between divorce and incarceration incorrect and misleading.

Turns out the percentage of Christians in prison is roughly 80% also. What correlation
would you make from that?

I think you'll find, if you dig deeper, that there is a matrix of problems that can lead
one to incarceration. The best you can hope to achieve with a statistical argument
is that is tends to support a conclusion, but is rarely definitive.

[Edit for clarity...sorry mangled the last sentence]

[East of Eden]

Single parent homes are not specifically the result of divorce, which makes your
correlation between divorce and incarceration incorrect and misleading.

They often are the result of divorce. Whatever the reason, it isn't good for kids.

Turns out the percentage of Christians in prison is roughly 80% also. What correlation
would you make from that?

What teaching of Christ were they following that got them there?

I bet a bunch of them are Democrats, so what?

[Beto]

Single parent homes are not specifically the result of divorce, which makes your
correlation between divorce and incarceration incorrect and misleading.

They often are the result of divorce. Whatever the reason, it isn't good for kids.

People will NOT get along just because they have kids, and they shouldn't be forced to. They will build up pressure, and eventually it blows up in everyone's faces. Any kid is happier living some time with each happy parent, than in a home where both parents are miserable and hate each other.

Divorce is not bad, it's always the best thing at the time for honest people in touch with their feelings. They can always get back together if some time apart was all they needed. Kids will be sad because they don't appreciate what they could've gone through, but we do.

[FinalEnigma]

According to US census information, the percentage of divorced people in the US is 10%. the percentage of widows in the US is 7%.

Further, the number of children in a single parent home in the US is 20 million. the number of children whose parents divorce per year is approximately one million. if we assume an average length of time remaining considered children after parents divorced, that means that 9 million, or just under 50% of children with a single parent, are the result of divorce. the rest are the result of widowhood.

also, as of 2005, 43% of single mothers were either separated, divorced, or receiving child support. Which means that the other 57% of single mothers were widows.

[Cathar1950]

[There are tremendous negative societal consequences to divorce, including crime that you ask about below. 80% of prison inmates were raised in single parent homes. See http://www.dadsnow.org/studies/heritage1.htm

It's almost like God knew what He was talking about warning against it.

What is God warning against, divorce or prison?
Even I am against divorce, most of us are unless it isn't good for the kids.
Here you are preaching about how God warns about what most think is bad.
But I find it interesting that you state some stat about how many there are from broken homes and then when someone mention the stats on Christians you got all kinds of rationalizations.

Single parent homes are not specifically the result of divorce, which makes your
correlation between divorce and incarceration incorrect and misleading.

They often are the result of divorce. Whatever the reason, it isn't good for kids.

Turns out the percentage of Christians in prison is roughly 80% also. What correlation
would you make from that?

What teaching of Christ were they following that got them there?

I bet a bunch of them are Democrats, so what?

Notice how you ignore the stat and then justify it with the not true Scotsman fallacy and ignoring that bad marriages that stay together might be just as harmful.
It is possible that there are factors that cause divorce that also cause crime or that they might not even be related in any cause and effect relationship.
But you just end it all with "so what' when it doesn't support your claims.

[Cathar1950]

According to US census information, the percentage of divorced people in the US is 10%. the percentage of widows in the US is 7%.

Further, the number of children in a single parent home in the US is 20 million. the number of children whose parents divorce per year is approximately one million. if we assume an average length of time remaining considered children after parents divorced, that means that 9 million, or just under 50% of children with a single parent, are the result of divorce. the rest are the result of widowhood.

also, as of 2005, 43% of single mothers were either separated, divorced, or receiving child support. Which means that the other 57% of single mothers were widows.

God warned them about dying.
So it looks like dying is as bad or worse then divorce?

[kayky]

Secular schools sometimes cause immorality, but these are the exception, not the rule.

This is the most outrageous statement I have ever read. I taught for 30 years in the public schools. Can you give me a single example of how a secular school can cause immorality???

[kayky]

The public schools are the madrasses of the secular left.

In the public school system where I taught for 30 years, the vast majority of teachers and administrators were fundamentalist Christians. That's probably because the community in which I resided at the time, the vast majority of people were fundamentalist Christians. Schools usually reflect the communities in which they function.

[kayky]

Also interesting the Episcopal church was probably the most slavery-friendly church, disregarding Biblical principles such as the Golden Rule which the Evangelical abolitionists didn't overlook. The Episcopal church continues in the same tradition today, disregarding what the Bible says about homosexual activity in favor of what is culturally popular.

This is really disingenuous. The Methodists, Presbyterians, and Baptists simply broke apart into northern and southern sects. The denomination most represented in the ranks of abolitionists were the Quakers--hardly evangelicals. The Episcopal Church is one of the few denominations to formally apologize for supporting slavery. And the Episcopal Church is not interested in what is "culturally popular." It is interested in social justice--just as Jesus was.

[Cathar1950]

The public schools are the madrasses of the secular left.

In the public school system where I taught for 30 years, the vast majority of teachers and administrators were fundamentalist Christians. That's probably because the community in which I resided at the time, the vast majority of people were fundamentalist Christians. Schools usually reflect the communities in which they function.

But you are from Kentucky and most of them should also be in jail.
Was it Kentucky or Tennessee that was the place for criminals?