Was Paul a trinitarin?

[2timothy316]

Paul wrote much of the Greek scriptures. Was his goal to teach the trinity?

[onewithhim]

Paul wrote much of the Greek scriptures. Was his goal to teach the trinity?

I don't know if his goal was to teach the Trinity. Rather, the trinity was the accepted background that he understood his readers already knew to be true.

Where is this proven in the scriptures? Or is this a personal belief?

I gave examples of when Paul described the doctrines within the Trinity.

What you didn't give examples of though is where "the trinity was the accepted background that he understood his readers already knew to be true."

The idea that Paul was more focused on living out what we believe is my overall take on his writings. I am not sure that it is worth our time to go into the details of that issue on this website.

Your take...yes indeed, it is your take. However, your take doesn't fit with the history of the trinity. Paul was dead when the trinity doctrine was made into doctrine and before it was even a debate. Your take tries to rewrites known history. What you'd need to do is show a reference work and not a personal 'take' that the trinity predates the date known dates the trinity became accepted in the 3rd century. Your take, your beliefs, your scripture framing etc are not proof. Though I already know you will not find any such reference that shows that the readers wrote his letters to believed in a trinity. If something like that did exist, it would rewrite the history that the trinity appeared in the mid 2nd century and then forced as doctrine in the 3rd century. As it stands, there is no historical record that the trinity teaching predates the 2nd century.

If you mean the word "trinity," then I agree that we don't see that until the beginning of the third century.

If you mean the doctrines that make up the trinity, then those are found in Paul's writings as I have demonstrated.

No they are not, as I have demonstrated.

[Capbook]

Paul wrote much of the Greek scriptures. Was his goal to teach the trinity?

As Bible lexicons provide definitions and meaning of Biblical words found in the original New Testament Greek and Old Testament Hebrew languages of the Holy Bible. https://www.biblestudytools.com/lexicon ... e_vignette

As Paul addresses the Aeropagus in Acts 17:22-34, the word Godhead in Acts 17:29, Greek word “theios” defined by lexicon as spoken of the only and true God, trinity of Christ, Holy Spirit and the Father.

Act 17:29  Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device.

θεῖος theios
Thayer Definition:
1) a general name of deities or divinities as used by the Greeks
2) spoken of the only and true God, trinity
2a) of Christ
2b) Holy Spirit
2c) the Father

[2timothy316]

Paul wrote much of the Greek scriptures. Was his goal to teach the trinity?

As Bible lexicons provide definitions and meaning of Biblical words found in the original New Testament Greek and Old Testament Hebrew languages of the Holy Bible. https://www.biblestudytools.com/lexicon ... e_vignette

As Paul addresses the Aeropagus in Acts 17:22-34, the word Godhead in Acts 17:29, Greek word “theios” defined by lexicon as spoken of the only and true God, trinity of Christ, Holy Spirit and the Father.

Act 17:29  Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device.

θεῖος theios
Thayer Definition:
1) a general name of deities or divinities as used by the Greeks
2) spoken of the only and true God, trinity
2a) of Christ
2b) Holy Spirit
2c) the Father

Was there an answer to the OP in here somewhere? Paul never used the word trinity in his writings. The word trinity didn't come way after Paul's death. There is nothing to denote that Jesus was the Godhead he was referring to at Acts 17:29. The Fact is that Paul was trying to explain to the Greeks who their alter to the "unknown God" was referring to.

You're cherry picking. Using eisegesis.

[Capbook]

Paul wrote much of the Greek scriptures. Was his goal to teach the trinity?

As Bible lexicons provide definitions and meaning of Biblical words found in the original New Testament Greek and Old Testament Hebrew languages of the Holy Bible. https://www.biblestudytools.com/lexicon ... e_vignette

As Paul addresses the Aeropagus in Acts 17:22-34, the word Godhead in Acts 17:29, Greek word “theios” defined by lexicon as spoken of the only and true God, trinity of Christ, Holy Spirit and the Father.

Act 17:29  Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device.

θεῖος theios
Thayer Definition:
1) a general name of deities or divinities as used by the Greeks
2) spoken of the only and true God, trinity
2a) of Christ
2b) Holy Spirit
2c) the Father

Was there an answer to the OP in here somewhere? Paul never used the word trinity in his writings.

Did Paul used the word Bible in his teachings?
The Greek word “theios” defined by lexicon, and that is the meaning at the time of its usage.

[2timothy316]

Did Paul used the word Bible in his teachings?

Paul used the term the law and prophets. That was what the Bible was called in that time....didn't you know this? Read Romans 3:21
There is no word that comes close to the word trinity in Paul's writings.

The Greek word “theios” wasn't describing Jesus. in Acts.

[Capbook]

Did Paul used the word Bible in his teachings?

Paul used the term the law and prophets. That was what the Bible was called in that time....didn't you know this? Read Romans 3:21
There is no word that comes close to the word trinity in Paul's writings.

The Greek word “theios” wasn't describing Jesus. in Acts.

Paul was quoting the Scriptures not the Bible.
The Tanakh; Torah, Niviim and Ketuvim. (Luke 24:44)

Lexicon defined it as Trinity at the time of its usage.

Luk 24:44  And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me. .

[bjs1]

Paul wrote much of the Greek scriptures. Was his goal to teach the trinity?

I don't know if his goal was to teach the Trinity. Rather, the trinity was the accepted background that he understood his readers already knew to be true.

Where is this proven in the scriptures? Or is this a personal belief?

I gave examples of when Paul described the doctrines within the Trinity.

What you didn't give examples of though is where "the trinity was the accepted background that he understood his readers already knew to be true."

The idea that Paul was more focused on living out what we believe is my overall take on his writings. I am not sure that it is worth our time to go into the details of that issue on this website.

Your take...yes indeed, it is your take. However, your take doesn't fit with the history of the trinity. Paul was dead when the trinity doctrine was made into doctrine and before it was even a debate. Your take tries to rewrites known history. What you'd need to do is show a reference work and not a personal 'take' that the trinity predates the date known dates the trinity became accepted in the 3rd century. Your take, your beliefs, your scripture framing etc are not proof. Though I already know you will not find any such reference that shows that the readers wrote his letters to believed in a trinity. If something like that did exist, it would rewrite the history that the trinity appeared in the mid 2nd century and then forced as doctrine in the 3rd century. As it stands, there is no historical record that the trinity teaching predates the 2nd century.

If you mean the word "trinity," then I agree that we don't see that until the beginning of the third century.

If you mean the doctrines that make up the trinity, then those are found in Paul's writings as I have demonstrated.

The trinity indeed was made up. But not in Paul's time which you still have not proven it was. It's your word vs history and history says that the concept of the trinity wasn't made up until the 3rd century by a council of men who never met Paul.

I have quoted Paul's words, which is the topic of this thread. Paul wrote that Jesus is God. The formal doctrine of the Trinity did not exist in Paul's day. Paul espoused all the doctirnes that make up the Trinity.

As a side note, human language is "made up." So, in that sense, every doctrine is "made up." The doctrine of the Trinity was "made up" based on the teachings of the New Testament.

[bjs1]

Paul wrote much of the Greek scriptures. Was his goal to teach the trinity?

He taught that Jesus is God, such as in Philippians 2: 5-6a, "In your relationships with one another, have the same mindset as Christ Jesus: Who, being in very nature God..."

He always distinguished that Jesus and God were two separate individuals.

Correct, Paul did distinguish that Jesus and the Father are two separate individuals. He also wrote that the Father is God and that Jesus is God (and that the Spirit is God). Hence the doctrine of the Trinity. The Father is not the Son. The Holy Spirit is neither the Father nor the Son. The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are all God.

Read any of his letters to the congregations and you can see in the first few sentences of his greetings that there is God and then there is His Son, Jesus.

Correct. He put God the Father and His Son Jesus on the same level.

Read Romans 1:1-4; ICorinth. 1:3; IICorinth. 1:1-3; Galatians 1:3; and so on. There is no hint of Jesus being God. Not even in Philippians 2:6. Jesus was of the same nature as God, but that merely meant that Jesus was spirit in nature, just like God. God is a Spirit (John 4:24). So was Jesus and now is. (IPeter 3:18)

It is dangerous to talk about what Paul "meant," especially when what you say he meant contradicts what he wrote. Paul wrote that Jesus is "in very nature God" (literally: subsisting in form of God).

To drive this point home, Paul used the same words to describe Jesus as a servant. Paul wrote that Jesus took "the very nature of a servant" (literally: subsisted in the form of servant). According to Paul's words, to whatever degree Jesus was a servant, that is the degree to which he was God.

[2timothy316]

Paul wrote much of the Greek scriptures. Was his goal to teach the trinity?

I don't know if his goal was to teach the Trinity. Rather, the trinity was the accepted background that he understood his readers already knew to be true.

Where is this proven in the scriptures? Or is this a personal belief?

I gave examples of when Paul described the doctrines within the Trinity.

What you didn't give examples of though is where "the trinity was the accepted background that he understood his readers already knew to be true."

The idea that Paul was more focused on living out what we believe is my overall take on his writings. I am not sure that it is worth our time to go into the details of that issue on this website.

Your take...yes indeed, it is your take. However, your take doesn't fit with the history of the trinity. Paul was dead when the trinity doctrine was made into doctrine and before it was even a debate. Your take tries to rewrites known history. What you'd need to do is show a reference work and not a personal 'take' that the trinity predates the date known dates the trinity became accepted in the 3rd century. Your take, your beliefs, your scripture framing etc are not proof. Though I already know you will not find any such reference that shows that the readers wrote his letters to believed in a trinity. If something like that did exist, it would rewrite the history that the trinity appeared in the mid 2nd century and then forced as doctrine in the 3rd century. As it stands, there is no historical record that the trinity teaching predates the 2nd century.

If you mean the word "trinity," then I agree that we don't see that until the beginning of the third century.

If you mean the doctrines that make up the trinity, then those are found in Paul's writings as I have demonstrated.

The trinity indeed was made up. But not in Paul's time which you still have not proven it was. It's your word vs history and history says that the concept of the trinity wasn't made up until the 3rd century by a council of men who never met Paul.

I have quoted Paul's words, which is the topic of this thread. Paul wrote that Jesus is God. The formal doctrine of the Trinity did not exist in Paul's day. Paul espoused all the doctirnes that make up the Trinity.

As a side note, human language is "made up." So, in that sense, every doctrine is "made up." The doctrine of the Trinity was "made up" based on the teachings of the New Testament.

There it is, you admit it.

"So these Pharisees and scribes asked him: “Why do your disciples not observe the tradition of the men of former times, but they eat their meal with defiled hands?” He said to them: “Isaiah aptly prophesied about you hypocrites, as it is written, ‘This people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far removed from me. It is in vain that they keep worshipping me, for they teach commands of men as doctrines. 'You let go of the commandment of God and cling to the tradition of men.” - Mark 7:5-8

The trinity is a tradition of men made up not in Paul's day but well after he was dead in the 3rd century. History proves this. You have NOT proved that Paul was teaching the trinity. The words you quote is what is called cherry picking which has already been brought out. In context shows that nothing was being taught about the trinity. The trinity was NEVER the subject Paul was speaking on EVER. So we are done here. Just repeating yourself doesn't make it true.

[2timothy316]

Did Paul used the word Bible in his teachings?

Paul used the term the law and prophets. That was what the Bible was called in that time....didn't you know this? Read Romans 3:21
There is no word that comes close to the word trinity in Paul's writings.

The Greek word “theios” wasn't describing Jesus. in Acts.

Paul was quoting the Scriptures not the Bible.
The Tanakh; Torah, Niviim and Ketuvim. (Luke 24:44)

Lexicon defined it as Trinity at the time of its usage.

LOL What?
What lexicon? It seems you're making things up as you go along.

Scriptures and Bible are two sides of the same coin. The Law and the Prophets is what we call the Bible today. Are you aware of what the word Bible means?