Does God suffer emotional pain?

[OnceConvinced]

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When In the wilderness when the Israelites rebelled, complained, threatened to kill his representatives, and openly defied him time and time again, he fed them, clothed them and protected them and that for 40 years. And dispite the emotional pain they caused him, he didn't renounce on his promise to lead them as a people to the promised land.

Does God suffer emotional pain?
If so would that mean God was not perfect? Why? Why not?

[2timothy316]

I'm not sure why you continue to avoid addressing what I have actually said. I said that I have not expressed any opinion on laughter. That means quite simply that I have not expressed any opinion on laughter and nothing more.

I have clearly explained that there would be no crying before the fall because there would be no pain before the fall. Nothing in this explanation supports your false conclusion that I think I am right about crying because I do have an opinion on it.

I'm not sure why you continue to misrepresent what I say and avoid addressing what I have actually said. Whatever the reason, it is not very productive.


Tcg

Lets take it one question at time. Because I am addressing it but for some reason your avoiding my questions.

Why do you think your opinion is right they never cried or had any pain in Eden?

There is no evidence of that from the Bible they never cried or had any pain. Nowhere does it say they were, 'painless or tearless'.

I have addressed your questions by pointing out the fact that they are based on straw man arguments of your creation.

I am referring to the pre-fall Eden.

There is nothing in the Bible that says they were pain-free. There is nothing in the Bible that says sinless = pain free either pre-fall.

What pain would a sinless existence include?

First we need to establish if pain is exclusively attached to sin. Yet the Bible says that God scourges those he accepts as a son. (Hebrews 12:6) Yet that is not a sin to correct someone, even if it hurts their feelings. So even hurting someone's feels is not necessarily a sin if it is for the person's best interest, unless you think God is a sinner.

[Tcg]

I'm not sure why you continue to avoid addressing what I have actually said. I said that I have not expressed any opinion on laughter. That means quite simply that I have not expressed any opinion on laughter and nothing more.

I have clearly explained that there would be no crying before the fall because there would be no pain before the fall. Nothing in this explanation supports your false conclusion that I think I am right about crying because I do have an opinion on it.

I'm not sure why you continue to misrepresent what I say and avoid addressing what I have actually said. Whatever the reason, it is not very productive.


Tcg

Lets take it one question at time. Because I am addressing it but for some reason your avoiding my questions.

Why do you think your opinion is right they never cried or had any pain in Eden?

There is no evidence of that from the Bible they never cried or had any pain. Nowhere does it say they were, 'painless or tearless'.

I have addressed your questions by pointing out the fact that they are based on straw man arguments of your creation.

I am referring to the pre-fall Eden.

There is nothing in the Bible that says they were pain-free. There is nothing in the Bible that says sinless = pain free either pre-fall.

What pain would a sinless existence include?

First we need to establish if pain is exclusively attached to sin. Yet the Bible says that God scourges those he accepts as a son. (Hebrews 12:6) Yet that is not a sin to correct someone, even if it hurts their feelings. So even hurting someone's feels is not necessarily a sin if it is for the person's best interest, unless you think God is a sinner.

Hebrews 12:6 is post fall. How could it apply?

There would be nothing to correct in a sinless existence.


Tcg

[2timothy316]

I'm not sure why you continue to avoid addressing what I have actually said. I said that I have not expressed any opinion on laughter. That means quite simply that I have not expressed any opinion on laughter and nothing more.

I have clearly explained that there would be no crying before the fall because there would be no pain before the fall. Nothing in this explanation supports your false conclusion that I think I am right about crying because I do have an opinion on it.

I'm not sure why you continue to misrepresent what I say and avoid addressing what I have actually said. Whatever the reason, it is not very productive.


Tcg

Lets take it one question at time. Because I am addressing it but for some reason your avoiding my questions.

Why do you think your opinion is right they never cried or had any pain in Eden?

There is no evidence of that from the Bible they never cried or had any pain. Nowhere does it say they were, 'painless or tearless'.

I have addressed your questions by pointing out the fact that they are based on straw man arguments of your creation.

I am referring to the pre-fall Eden.

There is nothing in the Bible that says they were pain-free. There is nothing in the Bible that says sinless = pain free either pre-fall.

What pain would a sinless existence include?

First we need to establish if pain is exclusively attached to sin. Yet the Bible says that God scourges those he accepts as a son. (Hebrews 12:6) Yet that is not a sin to correct someone, even if it hurts their feelings. So even hurting someone's feels is not necessarily a sin if it is for the person's best interest, unless you think God is a sinner.

Hebrews 12:6 is post fall. How could it apply?

There would be nothing to correct in a sinless existence.


Tcg

There is nothing in the Bible that says A&E never needed correction.

[Tcg]

I'm not sure why you continue to avoid addressing what I have actually said. I said that I have not expressed any opinion on laughter. That means quite simply that I have not expressed any opinion on laughter and nothing more.

I have clearly explained that there would be no crying before the fall because there would be no pain before the fall. Nothing in this explanation supports your false conclusion that I think I am right about crying because I do have an opinion on it.

I'm not sure why you continue to misrepresent what I say and avoid addressing what I have actually said. Whatever the reason, it is not very productive.


Tcg

Lets take it one question at time. Because I am addressing it but for some reason your avoiding my questions.

Why do you think your opinion is right they never cried or had any pain in Eden?

There is no evidence of that from the Bible they never cried or had any pain. Nowhere does it say they were, 'painless or tearless'.

I have addressed your questions by pointing out the fact that they are based on straw man arguments of your creation.

I am referring to the pre-fall Eden.

There is nothing in the Bible that says they were pain-free. There is nothing in the Bible that says sinless = pain free either pre-fall.

What pain would a sinless existence include?

First we need to establish if pain is exclusively attached to sin. Yet the Bible says that God scourges those he accepts as a son. (Hebrews 12:6) Yet that is not a sin to correct someone, even if it hurts their feelings. So even hurting someone's feels is not necessarily a sin if it is for the person's best interest, unless you think God is a sinner.

Hebrews 12:6 is post fall. How could it apply?

There would be nothing to correct in a sinless existence.


Tcg

There is nothing in the Bible that says A&E never needed correction.

What correction would they have needed before the fall?


Tcg

[2timothy316]

What correction would they have needed before the fall?


Tcg

I'd imagine everything you could think of. There is nothing in the Bible that says they were born with everything they would ever need to know.

[Tcg]

What correction would they have needed before the fall?


Tcg

I'd imagine everything you could think of. There is nothing in the Bible that says they were born with everything they would ever need to know.

I can't think of anything that'd involve correction before the fall. If you can, please explain what it would be.


Tcg

[2timothy316]

What correction would they have needed before the fall?


Tcg

I'd imagine everything you could think of. There is nothing in the Bible that says they were born with everything they would ever need to know.

I can't think of anything that'd involve correction before the fall. If you can, please explain what it would be.


Tcg

Seeing that they were not born with everything they need to know, seems they would have to be taught all of the things a child needs to be taught as a start.

[Tcg]

What correction would they have needed before the fall?


Tcg

I'd imagine everything you could think of. There is nothing in the Bible that says they were born with everything they would ever need to know.

I can't think of anything that'd involve correction before the fall. If you can, please explain what it would be.


Tcg

Seeing that they were not born with everything they need to know, seems they would have to be taught all of the things a child needs to be taught as a start.

Now you are attempting to change the subject. I didn't ask what they would need to learn, but rather what correction they'd need in a pre-fall sinless state.

Of course the result of this attempted diversion is that you failed to explain what correction would be needed in a sinless state. Perhaps, like me, you can't think of any.


Tcg

[2timothy316]

What correction would they have needed before the fall?


Tcg

I'd imagine everything you could think of. There is nothing in the Bible that says they were born with everything they would ever need to know.

I can't think of anything that'd involve correction before the fall. If you can, please explain what it would be.


Tcg

Seeing that they were not born with everything they need to know, seems they would have to be taught all of the things a child needs to be taught as a start.

Now you are attempting to change the subject. I didn't ask what they would need to learn, but rather what correction they'd need in a pre-fall sinless state.

And I told you. They'd need an education in everything. I didn't change anything. When I say everything, I mean everything. Do you agree or disagree?

The Bible even gives an example of what to eat and what not to eat. (Gen 2:16, 17) Certainly there would have been other corrections to keep them from serious harm or death seeing as they were not born all-knowing.

[Tcg]

What correction would they have needed before the fall?


Tcg

I'd imagine everything you could think of. There is nothing in the Bible that says they were born with everything they would ever need to know.

I can't think of anything that'd involve correction before the fall. If you can, please explain what it would be.


Tcg

Seeing that they were not born with everything they need to know, seems they would have to be taught all of the things a child needs to be taught as a start.

Now you are attempting to change the subject. I didn't ask what they would need to learn, but rather what correction they'd need in a pre-fall sinless state.

And I told you. They'd need an education in everything. I didn't change anything. When I say everything, I mean everything. Do you agree or disagree?

How is an education correction of sinfulness? Again, what correction would sinless people need? Note that I am not asking about education. I am asking about correction. Please answer the question as asked.


Tcg