IRS Asked Pro-Life Group for the Content of Their Prayers

[East of Eden]

http://washingtonexaminer.com/congressm ... le/2529924

Anybody not think this is a gross violation of the separation of church and state?

And some wonder why people worry about a tyrannical government.

[bjs]

I stand corrected, the original link I posted said: "According to a Pew Research poll, the liberals who relentlessly advocate higher taxes are three times more likely than conservatives to think it's okay to cheat when paying them."

I should have said liberals are three times more likely to THINK its OK to cheat on taxes, although given the number of tax cheats among Obama appointees, I wasn't far off. The three times figure comes from a question in the poll about whether or not hiding income was a moral issue. Only 8% of conservatives thought so, compared to 23% of liberals, almost three to one. Happy now?

Thinking it's not a moral issue, is quite a different matter to thinking it's ok to cheat on taxes now, isn't it?

This seems a little off topic, but I am struggling to see a significant difference between “thinks it’s okay to cheat on taxes� and “cheats on taxes.�

A person who thinks it is oaky to cheat on taxes will cheat on his taxes in any circumstance where he is reasonable confident he won’t get caught. If he doesn’t do that then he doesn’t really think it’s okay to chat on his taxes.

[East of Eden]

That is exactly wrong, according to this study, liberals are three times as likely to cheat on their taxes:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2840112/posts

I do like the part about profiling Muslims though.

The actuall figures from the Pew research poll, I don't know where the "three times" comes from:

It's morally acceptable to under report income on taxes.
Conservative 4%
Moderate 5%
Liberal 6%

http://pewresearch.org/files/old-assets ... rality.pdf page 12.

We should call it "East of Eden busted again"
Thank you for exposing the truth.

EoE, this keeps happening. Why don't you speak openly and honestly instead of with a constant agenda? It's annoying to talk to a constant mouthpiece for some religio-political movement.

Agenda? Pot, meet kettle, O mouthpiece of the anti-religion agenda.

My agenda is to talk plainly, honestly and simply. Yes, i suppose that is anti-religious.

I encourage you to join the tenet of my religion: honesty with oneself first, with others when possible.

Already there, my friend.

[East of Eden]

I should have said liberals are three times more likely to THINK its OK to cheat on taxes, although given the number of tax cheats among Obama appointees, I wasn't far off. The three times figure comes from a question in the poll about whether or not hiding income was a moral issue. Only 8% of conservatives thought so, compared to 23% of liberals, almost three to one. Happy now? It must be quite embarrassing to you lefties. You do acknowledge the poll showed liberals cheat on their taxes more than conservatives, don't you?

I challenge you to provide the source of your numbers (8% and 23%). This is not what I found in the Pew research poll.

See page 13, by a 23% - 8% margin, liberals are more likely to think not reporting income is not a moral issue, which essentially means they think it is OK. And I thought they wanted all that tax money to go to feed the poor?

Also, I am not a liberal. I am none. Also, you can get in trouble with your fellow conservatives who happened to disagree with you. This is because you tend to define "a conservative" as anyone who agrees with you, and "a lefty" as anyone who disagrees with you.

OK, just a coincidence here I guess that you always support the liberal position and oppose the conservative one.

[East of Eden]

I stand corrected, the original link I posted said: "According to a Pew Research poll, the liberals who relentlessly advocate higher taxes are three times more likely than conservatives to think it's okay to cheat when paying them."

I should have said liberals are three times more likely to THINK its OK to cheat on taxes, although given the number of tax cheats among Obama appointees, I wasn't far off. The three times figure comes from a question in the poll about whether or not hiding income was a moral issue. Only 8% of conservatives thought so, compared to 23% of liberals, almost three to one. Happy now?

Thinking it's not a moral issue, is quite a different matter to thinking it's ok to cheat on taxes now, isn't it?

This seems a little off topic, but I am struggling to see a significant difference between “thinks it’s okay to cheat on taxes� and “cheats on taxes.�

A person who thinks it is oaky to cheat on taxes will cheat on his taxes in any circumstance where he is reasonable confident he won’t get caught. If he doesn’t do that then he doesn’t really think it’s okay to chat on his taxes.

BINGO

[Bust Nak]

If they are three times as likely to say it's OK to cheat, won't they?

Not necessarily. More importantly liberals are NOT three times as likely to say it's OK to cheat. While still somewhat embarrassing, it's 50% more likely according to the poll.

Don't you think they are telling the truth on that?

I do.

We certainly have the example of Obama's tax-cheating appointees as a mini-experiment. According to this article from last year, 36 Obama aids owed $833,000 in back taxes.

http://news.investors.com/politics-andr ... -taxes.htm

That still doesn't show liberals are three times more likely to cheat on taxes, nor does it show liberals are three times more likely to THINK its OK to cheat on taxes.

See page 13, by a 23% - 8% margin, liberals are more likely to think not reporting income is not a moral issue, which essentially means they think it is OK.

Incorrect, thinking it isn't a moral issue does not mean it's OK at all. That's the main point of my objection. Consider a lawn in a public with a sign saying "keep off the grass" It's not a moral issue. It's not wrong to walk on grass, it's merely prohibited.

This seems a little off topic, but I am struggling to see a significant difference between “thinks it’s okay to cheat on taxes� and “cheats on taxes.�

A person who thinks it is oaky to cheat on taxes will cheat on his taxes in any circumstance where he is reasonable confident he won’t get caught.

The answer is in your post. There are unwanted consequences even if you think it's acceptable to do something. There are other issues at work other than morality. See my keep off the grass example.

I would also point out that accepting something as wrong, doesn't mean one would refrain from it. i.e. "someone who thinks it's not okay to chear on taxes will not cheat of his taxes" is a false statement.

If he doesn’t do that then he doesn’t really think it’s okay to chat on his taxes.

How did you managed to jump from "I don't want to go to jail for X" to "X is wrong"?

[100%atheist]

I should have said liberals are three times more likely to THINK its OK to cheat on taxes, although given the number of tax cheats among Obama appointees, I wasn't far off. The three times figure comes from a question in the poll about whether or not hiding income was a moral issue. Only 8% of conservatives thought so, compared to 23% of liberals, almost three to one. Happy now? It must be quite embarrassing to you lefties. You do acknowledge the poll showed liberals cheat on their taxes more than conservatives, don't you?

I challenge you to provide the source of your numbers (8% and 23%). This is not what I found in the Pew research poll.

See page 13, by a 23% - 8% margin, liberals are more likely to think not reporting income is not a moral issue, which essentially means they think it is OK. And I thought they wanted all that tax money to go to feed the poor?

In the poll there were three major possible answers to the question "Not reporting all income on your taxes":

Ideology Morally Wrong Morally Acceptable Not a Moral Issue
Conservative 86 4 8
Moderate 77 5 16
Liberal 68 6 23

When you say that "Not a moral issue" "essentially means they think it is OK", you equate "Not a Moral Issue" with "Morally Acceptable". But "Morally Acceptable" is exactly one of the questions of the poll, and the numbers are very small and they are well within survey error margins of plus/minus 4 percent.

Your response leaves no doubt that you deliberately attempt to twist and manipulate facts in order to confirm your biased opinion. I don't even think that such lack of integrity is characteristic of a Christian. I think it is just your personal rotten character, and I believe you do a great disservice to Christians (and to Conservatives) by pretending you somehow help their case.

Also, I am not a liberal. I am none. Also, you can get in trouble with your fellow conservatives who happened to disagree with you. This is because you tend to define "a conservative" as anyone who agrees with you, and "a lefty" as anyone who disagrees with you.

OK, just a coincidence here I guess that you always support the liberal position and oppose the conservative one.

...regarding "always".... then based on [mis]information you restlessly attempt to feed us on this forum, would it be correct to state that you always lie?

[East of Eden]

I should have said liberals are three times more likely to THINK its OK to cheat on taxes, although given the number of tax cheats among Obama appointees, I wasn't far off. The three times figure comes from a question in the poll about whether or not hiding income was a moral issue. Only 8% of conservatives thought so, compared to 23% of liberals, almost three to one. Happy now? It must be quite embarrassing to you lefties. You do acknowledge the poll showed liberals cheat on their taxes more than conservatives, don't you?

I challenge you to provide the source of your numbers (8% and 23%). This is not what I found in the Pew research poll.

See page 13, by a 23% - 8% margin, liberals are more likely to think not reporting income is not a moral issue, which essentially means they think it is OK. And I thought they wanted all that tax money to go to feed the poor?

In the poll there were three major possible answers to the question "Not reporting all income on your taxes":

Ideology Morally Wrong Morally Acceptable Not a Moral Issue
Conservative 86 4 8
Moderate 77 5 16
Liberal 68 6 23

When you say that "Not a moral issue" "essentially means they think it is OK", you equate "Not a Moral Issue" with "Morally Acceptable". But "Morally Acceptable" is exactly one of the questions of the poll, and the numbers are very small and they are well within survey error margins of plus/minus 4 percent.

Your response leaves no doubt that you deliberately attempt to twist and manipulate facts in order to confirm your biased opinion. I don't even think that such lack of integrity is characteristic of a Christian. I think it is just your personal rotten character, and I believe you do a great disservice to Christians (and to Conservatives) by pretending you somehow help their case.

Your inability to interpret a poll has nothing to do with my character. If you don't think the fact 23% of liberals don't think cheating on taxes is a moral issue (compared to 8% of conservatives) is significant, than that says a lot about your character. If the question is so irrelevant why did the pollsters ask it?

...regarding "always".... then based on [mis]information you restlessly attempt to feed us on this forum, would it be correct to state that you always lie?

Why don't you put up or shut up on that, or would that false charge be a lie from you? Maybe you're just projecting. You're saying you're not a liberal certainly is some kind of untruth.

[100%atheist]

Your inability to interpret a poll has nothing to do with my character. If you don't think the fact 23% of liberals don't think cheating on taxes is a moral issue (compared to 8% of conservatives) is significant, than that says a lot about your character. If the question is so irrelevant why did the pollsters ask it?

I don't think it is very interesting to play misinterpretation games. Note that I am not the first one who pointed out that "not a moral issue" does NOT mean "morally okay". I personally think that this is not a moral issue AND that everyone MUST not lie about their income. If you don't understand this, no one can help you because you seem to refuse any help (especially from evil liberasts).

...regarding "always".... then based on [mis]information you restlessly attempt to feed us on this forum, would it be correct to state that you always lie?

Why don't you put up or shut up on that, or would that false charge be a lie from you? Maybe you're just projecting. You're saying you're not a liberal certainly is some kind of untruth.

It seems that in order to promote radical conservative agenda, ultra-conservatives are lying at every corner. I truly believe in my heart that this is the truth.

[bjs]

This seems a little off topic, but I am struggling to see a significant difference between “thinks it’s okay to cheat on taxes� and “cheats on taxes.�

A person who thinks it is oaky to cheat on taxes will cheat on his taxes in any circumstance where he is reasonable confident he won’t get caught.

The answer is in your post. There are unwanted consequences even if you think it's acceptable to do something. There are other issues at work other than morality. See my keep off the grass example.

I would also point out that accepting something as wrong, doesn't mean one would refrain from it. i.e. "someone who thinks it's not okay to chear on taxes will not cheat of his taxes" is a false statement.

If he doesn’t do that then he doesn’t really think it’s okay to chat on his taxes.

How did you managed to jump from "I don't want to go to jail for X" to "X is wrong"?

At least in my country there are countless opportunities for someone to cheat on his taxes with no reasonable expectation of being caught. Fear of punishment might limit how much someone cheats, but that alone certainly would not prevent someone from cheating at all.

If someone thinks it is okay to cheat on his taxes then it is unrealistic to suggest that this person will never cheat on his taxes. That is no practical difference between saying someone thinks it is okay to cheat on his taxes and saying that someone cheats on his taxes.

This is a long ways away from the OP, so unless someone starts a new thread I will probably let it lie with that.

[East of Eden]

Your inability to interpret a poll has nothing to do with my character. If you don't think the fact 23% of liberals don't think cheating on taxes is a moral issue (compared to 8% of conservatives) is significant, than that says a lot about your character. If the question is so irrelevant why did the pollsters ask it?

I don't think it is very interesting to play misinterpretation games. Note that I am not the first one who pointed out that "not a moral issue" does NOT mean "morally okay".

That is your opinion, which I reject.

I personally think that this is not a moral issue AND that everyone MUST not lie about their income. If you don't understand this, no one can help you because you seem to refuse any help (especially from evil liberasts).

It seems that in order to promote radical conservative agenda, ultra-conservatives are lying at every corner. I truly believe in my heart that this is the truth.

So you call someone a liar, and can't man up and back it up. That says a lot about you and your fellow ultra-liberal radicals.