Texas GOP platform

[FinalEnigma]

The Texas GOP has put forth a 2010 party platform that includes the following planks:

* Gay people shouldn't have custody of children.
* Issuing a marriage license or performing a marriage ceremony for a same-sex couple should be punishable by jail time.
* 19th-century Texas statutes outlawing sex between men should be restored.
* Homosexuality "tears at the fabric of society."

1. "We are opposed to any granting of special legal entitlements, refuse to recognize, or grant special privileges including, but not limited to...custody of children by homosexuals..." [sic]
2. "We support legislation that would make it a felony to issue a marriage license to a same-sex couple and for any civil official to perform a marriage ceremony for such."
3. "We oppose the legalization of sodomy. We demand that Congress exercise its authority granted by the U.S. Constitution to withhold jurisdiction from the federal courts from cases involving sodomy. "

I got this information in an email, since I'm signed up at a human rights website that sends petitions to politicians. (site here: http://bit.ly/9qTm2t)

The GOP platform wishes to essentially make homosexuality itself illegal. they wish to remove job protections so that you can be fired for simply being gay, they wish to make it illegal for homosexuals to have custody of children, they wish to reinstate the laws against homosexual sex, and they wish to make it a felony to issue a marriage license to, or to perform a marriage ceremony for, two people of the same gender.

The full platform can be found here: http://www.hrcactioncenter.org/site/R?i ... WBbT96orKw..

What do you think, are these legal steps appropriate and necessary, or utterly insane?

I'm strongly against every one of these steps.

[chris_brown207]

We see no benefit or purpose from homosexual intercourse. Heterosexual sex does serve a purpose, to procreate.

You seek to somehow benefit from the sexual activities of others?

Interesting.

This made me think that there are several scenarios where sex between any two individuals does not benefit society, and even some scenarios where it could be considered contrary to "beneficial".
I'd be willing to bet that the vast majority of heterosexual couples use some sort of contraception for most of the times they have sex, therefore their having sex serves no social purpose at all.

Winepusher, I've noticed that you do not agree with there being too much tax funding for welfare programs, and that you are against abortion.
You know, heterosexual sex resulting in unwanted or unplanned pregnancies is the reason why abortion rates are so high. And families that do not get abortions but cannot provide for their children are beneficiaries of welfare programs. Homosexual sex, on the other hand, can't result in unwanted pregnancies or unplanned parenting, so in that way wouldn't it be a "pro" for society?

I have also noted similar inconsistencies (by him as well as others) on other threads: such as those who cried foul about health care as being socialist and yet still feel fine sending their kids to public schools and driving on public roads; or how they decried increased government spending, and yet cursed the cutting of NASA programs; or how some can believe global warming theories to be slippery slope fallacies, and yet don't blink twice when using the same arguments against homosexual marriage and adoption.

I wonder how how he (and others who mirror his beliefs) would support religion on our currency, in government creeds, and in our schools if that religion was Muslim, or Pagan?

Maybe we can devote a separate thread to how many inconsistencies we can find in posts such as these.

[Goat]

It is curious to note how many folks who are vehemently against homosexuals end up being the thing they loathe. Karma?

To address what you and others have said, YES! Had you known me 10 years ago you would have known a completely different person. I truly believe most people who are extremely anti-gay probably have bisexual tendencies or are full-blown gay, they're just too scared, ashamed or confused to admit it and so they kick against it in an attempt to distance themselves from what they won't admit they are themselves. I myself was very homophobic and in my quest to be a good Christian, raised in a Catholic family, had several children in the process. This same story is echoed throughout the LGBT community.

So , it would a good analysis that you were vehement against it in an effort to deny your own feelings??

Would you say that once you 'came out of the closet', you became a happier person?

[WinePusher]

We see no benefit or purpose from homosexual intercourse. Heterosexual sex does serve a purpose, to procreate.

You seek to somehow benefit from the sexual activities of others?

Well, considering that heterosexual sex serves the purpose of precreation (do you deny this?) and homosexual sex serves nothing, merely to satisfy the desires of the partners through a different process of insertion...............Do other animals engage in sex for recreational purposes?

[chris_brown207]

We see no benefit or purpose from homosexual intercourse. Heterosexual sex does serve a purpose, to procreate.

You seek to somehow benefit from the sexual activities of others?

Well, considering that heterosexual sex serves the purpose of precreation (do you deny this?) and homosexual sex serves nothing, merely to satisfy the desires of the partners through a different process of insertion...............Do other animals engage in sex for recreational purposes?

So then do you expect us to believe that you have never had sex for any other reason besides procreation???

[Goat]

We see no benefit or purpose from homosexual intercourse. Heterosexual sex does serve a purpose, to procreate.

You seek to somehow benefit from the sexual activities of others?

Well, considering that heterosexual sex serves the purpose of precreation (do you deny this?) and homosexual sex serves nothing, merely to satisfy the desires of the partners through a different process of insertion...............Do other animals engage in sex for recreational purposes?

Well, I would say that you are wrong. Homosexual sex can and does provide social bonding between two people who love each other. THe same that quite a lot of heterosexual sex does.

[WinePusher]

Winepusher, I've noticed that you do not agree with there being too much tax funding for welfare programs, and that you are against abortion.

Yes.

You know, heterosexual sex resulting in unwanted or unplanned pregnancies is the reason why abortion rates are so high.

I believe that is promiscuos heterosexual sex, is it not? Settled married couples who wish to have sex, but not have children make plans in advance.

And families that do not get abortions but cannot provide for their children are beneficiaries of welfare programs.

Yes, and I don;t know the exact statistics of this, but do those families who do not get abortions but require welfare assistance make up the majority demographic of welfare recipients. I have never advocated abolishing welfare.

Homosexual sex, on the other hand, can't result in unwanted pregnancies or unplanned parenting, so in that way wouldn't it be a "pro" for society?

Um...... I'm not so sure what you mean by this . Are you suggesting that homosexual sex should be engaged in because it doesn't lead to abortio. I would say, rather, that people abstain from promiscuous sex in order to preent unplanned preganancies, not engage in an alternative form with members of the same gender.

[WinePusher]

I have also noted similar inconsistencies (by him as well as others) on other threads: such as those who cried foul about health care as being socialist and yet still feel fine sending their kids to public schools and driving on public roads;

Well, I distinguish between taxes going to sustain society, and a government forcing citizens to buy a product or else they will be fined, and the government going aganist public opinion on heatlhcare, and ramming it through in a partisan fashion, with no transperancy and corrupt deals. Do you see the difference between Obamacare and public roads and education?

or how they decried increased government spending, and yet cursed the cutting of NASA programs;

Do you contend that the creation of the institution of NASA and our space exploration is equivalent with Nancy Pelosi's project to rid mice from a lake in San Francisco, or to renovate federal agency building, or to construct railway way between Reid's town of Vegas and disneyland?

or how some can believe global warming theories to be slippery slope fallacies, and yet don't blink twice when using the same arguments against homosexual marriage and adoption.

Hm? When did I reject to global warming on the grounds of a slippery slop fallacy?

I wonder how how he (and others who mirror his beliefs) would support religion on our currency, in government creeds, and in our schools if that religion was Muslim, or Pagan?

I have already made my position clear, that no government or school should promote any type of religion to be promoted or prayed.

Maybe we can devote a separate thread to how many inconsistencies we can find in posts such as these.

By all means, create this thread so we can discuss the alleged inconsistencies on my behalf, and the standards of the person making the allegation.

[WinePusher]

Well, I would say that you are wrong. Homosexual sex can and does provide social bonding between two people who love each other. THe same that quite a lot of heterosexual sex does.

Thats a good argument, homosexual sex could possibly lead to a deeper relationship between the two.

[WinePusher]

So then do you expect us to believe that you have never had sex for any other reason besides procreation???

I don't that the sex life of any user on here should be talked about on here. This isn't a conversion between two good friends, its a discussion between two acquintainces on an internet forum. But I'd ask you to look to my response to goat for an answer.

[chris_brown207]

Well, I distinguish between taxes going to sustain society,

And you don't feel providing for the health of it's citizens takes care of a society just as much as public roadways and public schooling?

and a government forcing citizens to buy a product or else they will be fined,

You mean like public schooling?

and the government going aganist public opinion on heatlhcare, and ramming it through in a partisan fashion, with no transperancy and corrupt deals. Do you see the difference between Obamacare and public roads and education?

I wonder if winepusher would have felt the same way had it been a republican president who was the one pushing health care (since this originated as a republican platform).

Do you contend that the creation of the institution of NASA and our space exploration is equivalent with Nancy Pelosi's project to rid mice from a lake in San Francisco, or to renovate federal agency building, or to construct railway way between Reid's town of Vegas and disneyland?

I do not contend to know of any such projects you mentioned, but I do contend that you fully support the cutting of government programs as long as it is not something you like or support.

Hm? When did I reject to global warming on the grounds of a slippery slop fallacy?

Didn't say you did, I did mention that there were others in the quote, my apologies if you thought this was directed at you solely.

I wonder how how he (and others who mirror his beliefs) would support religion on our currency, in government creeds, and in our schools if that religion was Muslim, or Pagan?

I have already made my position clear, that no government or school should promote any type of religion to be promoted or prayed.

Bravo! Alas, common ground! (I am almost hesitant to ask your feelings about the teachings of Intelligent Design in public schools?)

Maybe we can devote a separate thread to how many inconsistencies we can find in posts such as these.

By all means, create this thread so we can discuss the alleged inconsistencies on my behalf, and the standards of the person making the allegation.

I would be happy to, if there is more interest then just you and me (that would get a little lame after a while).