The article is long, but I believe you will enjoy it. No questions, but I am sure there will be many comments, for and against.
Before the creation the first name we find in the Bible concerning God is, Elohim, “In the beginning God (Elohim)---.”
In Genesis 1, we equated the Hebrew Elohim a plural word with the Triune Godhead, Triune pointing to the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. The creation was not without witnesses, for there were three.
Acts 14:17, “He left not himself without witness, in that he did good, and gave us rain from heaven, and fruitful seasons, filling our hearts with food and gladness.”
From Genesis 1:2 and forward, we find the three-letter word, “God” singular. God meaning the Creator, the Almighty, omniscient, omnipresent, pure, and perfect being, who preserves and governs all things. The self-existent, unoriginated, independent, and eternal Jehovah, who has produced all things. Revelation 1:8, Jesus said, “I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, --- which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.” He is the pure and perfect Spirit, he is known and clearly distinguished by the vast and stupendous works which he has made.
In Genesis 2:4 we come to another name for Deity. It's no longer “God” alone, but now, the “LORD God.” Note the title “LORD” is all in uppercase. Throughout chapter 1, He is called, “God,” but now in Genesis 2, He is called the “LORD God.” And who is this, LORD God? He is Jehovah, the Son of the Father in heaven, better known to us as Jesus. These titles serve a purpose; the LORD God knew there would one day be a plan implemented for our redemption. He saw the foolishness of the people, well before His coming in the flesh. He would not only need a plan of redemption but also someone who could communicate directly with men. So, what did the LORD do? He came down from His throne in heaven to dwell among men. 1 Timothy 3:16, K.J.B. “God (Jehovah) was manifest (appeared or showed himself openly) in the flesh.”
Philippians 2:7, He Jesus “made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant; and was made in the likeness of men.” Matthew 1:23, “And they (the Jews) shall call his name Immanuel, which being interpreted is God with us.” Also, John 1:1, "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." In verse 14, "And the Word was made flesh..." Jesus put into action His plan of redemption.
In Genesis 12, about the year 1900 B.C. Jehovah is seen intrinsically as the God of Abraham. He will deal specifically with the nation of Israel and its people. So, when the Bible reads, “The God of Abraham,” and “The God of Isaac,” it’s referring to Jehovah! LORD and Jehovah are always synonymous. Throughout Scripture, we find that Jehovah is the God of all. Abraham was born a gentile, and in Genesis 14:18, Abraham addresses God as the Most-high God. So, whenever you see the Hebrew term “The Most-high God,” it's making a point that God is, “The God of all.”
Moving forward in Genesis, we find Jehovah becomes everything the nation of Israel could ever hope for in their spiritual and physical needs.
Genesis 22:14: takes place about the year 1850 B.C. As time passes, we find Abraham is well acquainted with Jehovah; but now, Jehovah has an added title behind it, Jehovah-Jireh. No one knew this name until then, it means, “the LORD will provide.” The LORD provided the sacrifice when He spared Isaac, Abraham’s son. God held back Abraham's hand and kept him from sacrificing his son Isaac. Question, what did Abraham see in the thicket when he turned around? … a ram caught by the horns in a thicket! So, Abraham called Him, Jehovah-Jireh because Jehovah provided the sacrifice.
About the year 1320 B.C., Israel came out of Egypt under Moses, the first thing God promised them (Israel) was, if they were obedient, He would be their healing. So, he is called Jehovah-ropheka, meaning, “He who would be their Healer.” Jehovah would be their spiritual Healer, as well as their physical healer. When the Jews were in Egypt, He said, "None of these diseases that were in Egypt will come upon you."
In the year, 1320 B.C., we read the name Jehovah-Nissi in Exodus 15:17. Israel had come up against their first opposition - the Amalekites. Having left Egypt, they were on their way to Sinai and were fighting the Amalekites. As long as Moses held his arms up, the battle went for Israel. As soon as they came down, the battle went against Israel. Who came to help Moses? Aaron and Hur held up Moses' arms until the battle was won. When the fight was over, they declared that God was their Jehovah-Nissi. He was, “Their Banner,” and as long as the banner was lifted to heaven, the Jewish fighters pressed on.
Around the year 1160 B.C., we come to another title for God, Jehovah-Shalom, which in Hebrew means “peace.” It was Gideon who first received this name for God. Israel had come to a point of decline. The Jews were going after false gods - and the Midianites from the east were overrunning their crops and taking their children captive. It was then, that Israel began to cry to Jehovah for help, so the LORD raised up Gideon. He told Gideon, that the only way to achieve peace was to return to Jehovah and defeat the Midianites with His help; then, they could have “Shalom,” meaning “peace.”
Now we come to, Jehovah-tsidkenu – “He is our Righteousness.” The Jews had nothing without Him, so He would one day be all the righteousness Israel would ever need in Jesus Christ.
About 1000 B.C. in Psalms 23, we read the word “roi,” in the Hebrew it means “Shepherd.” "The Lord is my Shepherd." So, in the Hebrew, “Shepard,” is Jehovah-roi; “I am your Shepherd.” Again, this was an inherent need for the Nation of Israel. Jesus said, John 10:14, “I am the good shepherd,”
The seventh title for Jehovah God is found in Jeremiah 23, it’s, “Jehovah-shammah,” Jeremiah was written between 627 and 586 B.C. This name means, “The LORD is there.” This name refers to the setting up of His kingdom, He will be present, as Revelation 19, “KING of KINGS, and LORD of LORDS.”
The LORD does everything in sevens; therefore, the seven explicit needs of Israel have been met by the seven-fold operation of Jehovah's names.
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Post #21Capbook wrote: ↑Wed Feb 05, 2025 11:58 amWhat’s the difference between the words Godhead, Divinity, Deity, and Divine?placebofactor wrote: ↑Wed Feb 05, 2025 11:31 amI mean their definition from Bible lexicons are the same on that text.Capbook wrote: ↑Tue Feb 04, 2025 3:24 pmThere is no difference between Godhead and Deity, the Greek of both still is in Greek "theotes" which means being in the state of being God.onewithhim wrote: ↑Sun Feb 02, 2025 6:54 pmIn Jesus is the fullness of godship bodily. He is not God but has attributes of God, making him full of God's qualities. Thayer is not to be accepted as the be all and end all. Many versions of the Bible eschew the term "Godhead" and render that phrase as "For in him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form." It certainly doesn't mean that Jesus is God. Look at Colossians 3:1b: "Keep seeking the things above, where Christ is, seated at the right hand of God." (NASB) Would Jesus be sitting at his own right hand?Capbook wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2025 4:25 pmIn response to your statement I colored blue above.1213 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 26, 2025 4:26 amThe word Elohim can mean also just one God. And because Jesus tells there is only one true God, who is greater than him, I think it would be wrong to say there are more true Gods than one.placebofactor wrote: ↑Sat Jan 25, 2025 10:53 am The article is long, but I believe you will enjoy it. No questions, but I am sure there will be many comments, for and against.
Before the creation the first name we find in the Bible concerning God is, Elohim, “In the beginning God (Elohim)---.”
In Genesis 1, we equated the Hebrew Elohim a plural word
To you it was shown, that you might know that Yahweh he is God; there is none else besides him.
Deut. 4:35
Jesus answered, "The greatest is, 'Hear, Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one: you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind, and with all your strength.' This is the first commandment.
Mark 12:29-30
How can you believe, who receive glory from one another, and you don't seek the glory that comes from the only God?
John 5:44
This is eternal life, that they should know you, the only true God, and him whom you sent, Jesus Christ.
John 17:3
Jesus said to her, "Don't touch me, for I haven't yet ascended to my Father; but go to my brothers, and tell them, 'I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.'"
John 20:17
I think it is good to notice that in Genesis 2:4 the word "Lord" is actually Jehovah, or Yahweh.placebofactor wrote: ↑Sat Jan 25, 2025 10:53 am In Genesis 2:4 we come to another name for Deity. It's no longer “God” alone, but now, the “LORD God.” Note the title “LORD” is all in uppercase. ...
Jesus and the Father are one in the state of God. (Col 2:9)
Just like you and your son if you have, are one in the state of human.
Bible Lexicon defined "Godhead" in Greek "theotes" as the state of being God.
θεότης theotēs
Thayer Definition:
1) deity
1a) the state of being God, Godhead
Col 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
Yes, there is a difference, you haven't looked hard enough!
First of all, Divinity and Deity are not in my concordance or in the Bible. Following is the definition of Godhead in my Thayers, and in my 1836 Greek to English Lexicon. Both agree on the meaning of “Godhead.”
Godhead: “Deity, Godhead, the divine nature and perfection, the state of being God.” The definition is clear, simple, and easy to understand, there can be no misunderstanding.
Word 2.
Divinity: For this, because it is not in any concordance, I have to go to my 1861 Webster dictionary for a definition: It gives the reader 6 choices.
1. The state of being divine; Deity; Godhead; the nature or essence of God. Christians ascribe divinity to one Supreme being only.
2. God; the Deity; the Supreme Being.
3. 3. A false god; a pretended deity of pagans.
4. 4. A celestial being, inferior to the Supreme god, but superior to man. Many nations believe in these inferior divinities. The Witnesses would naturally use # 4 to define Jesus.
5. Something supernatural
6. The science of divine things, the science which unfolds the character of God, his laws, and moral government, the duties of man, and the way of salvation; theology; as the study of divinity; a system of divinity.
So. Webster gives the reader 6 choices.
Word 3.
Deity:
1. Godhead; divinity; the nature and essence of the Supreme being; as the deity of the Supreme being is manifest in his works.
2. God; the Supreme being, or infinite self-existing Spirit.
3. A fabulous god or goddess; a superior being, supposed, by the Gentiles to exist, and to preside over particular departments of nature; as, Jupiter, Juno, Apollo, Diana, etc.
4. The supposed divinity or divine qualities of a pagan god.”
Word 4.
Divine, is found in the Bible in only three verses. Hebrews 9:1, and 2 Peter 1:3-4.
1. Pertaining to God, neuter, the divine nature, divinity. The divine nature in 1 Peter 1:3-4, “Belongs to both the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.”
Divine is the word the Jehovah’s Witnesses have used in Colossians 2:9, “because it is in him (Jesus) that all the fullness of the divine quality dwells bodily.” They use the phrase, “divine quality” whatever that means.
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Re: Progressive Revelation
Post #22placebofactor wrote: ↑Wed Feb 05, 2025 4:35 pmWord 1Capbook wrote: ↑Wed Feb 05, 2025 11:58 amWhat’s the difference between the words Godhead, Divinity, Deity, and Divine?placebofactor wrote: ↑Wed Feb 05, 2025 11:31 amI mean their definition from Bible lexicons are the same on that text.Capbook wrote: ↑Tue Feb 04, 2025 3:24 pmThere is no difference between Godhead and Deity, the Greek of both still is in Greek "theotes" which means being in the state of being God.onewithhim wrote: ↑Sun Feb 02, 2025 6:54 pmIn Jesus is the fullness of godship bodily. He is not God but has attributes of God, making him full of God's qualities. Thayer is not to be accepted as the be all and end all. Many versions of the Bible eschew the term "Godhead" and render that phrase as "For in him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form." It certainly doesn't mean that Jesus is God. Look at Colossians 3:1b: "Keep seeking the things above, where Christ is, seated at the right hand of God." (NASB) Would Jesus be sitting at his own right hand?Capbook wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2025 4:25 pmIn response to your statement I colored blue above.1213 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 26, 2025 4:26 amThe word Elohim can mean also just one God. And because Jesus tells there is only one true God, who is greater than him, I think it would be wrong to say there are more true Gods than one.placebofactor wrote: ↑Sat Jan 25, 2025 10:53 am The article is long, but I believe you will enjoy it. No questions, but I am sure there will be many comments, for and against.
Before the creation the first name we find in the Bible concerning God is, Elohim, “In the beginning God (Elohim)---.”
In Genesis 1, we equated the Hebrew Elohim a plural word
To you it was shown, that you might know that Yahweh he is God; there is none else besides him.
Deut. 4:35
Jesus answered, "The greatest is, 'Hear, Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one: you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind, and with all your strength.' This is the first commandment.
Mark 12:29-30
How can you believe, who receive glory from one another, and you don't seek the glory that comes from the only God?
John 5:44
This is eternal life, that they should know you, the only true God, and him whom you sent, Jesus Christ.
John 17:3
Jesus said to her, "Don't touch me, for I haven't yet ascended to my Father; but go to my brothers, and tell them, 'I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.'"
John 20:17
I think it is good to notice that in Genesis 2:4 the word "Lord" is actually Jehovah, or Yahweh.placebofactor wrote: ↑Sat Jan 25, 2025 10:53 am In Genesis 2:4 we come to another name for Deity. It's no longer “God” alone, but now, the “LORD God.” Note the title “LORD” is all in uppercase. ...
Jesus and the Father are one in the state of God. (Col 2:9)
Just like you and your son if you have, are one in the state of human.
Bible Lexicon defined "Godhead" in Greek "theotes" as the state of being God.
θεότης theotēs
Thayer Definition:
1) deity
1a) the state of being God, Godhead
Col 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
Yes, there is a difference, you haven't looked hard enough!
First of all, Divinity and Deity are not in my concordance or in the Bible. Following is the definition of Godhead in my Thayers, and in my 1836 Greek to English Lexicon. Both agree on the meaning of “Godhead.”
Godhead: “Deity, Godhead, the divine nature and perfection, the state of being God.” The definition is clear, simple, and easy to understand, there can be no misunderstanding.
Word 2.
Divinity: For this, because it is not in any concordance, I have to go to my 1861 Webster dictionary for a definition: It gives the reader 6 choices.
1. The state of being divine; Deity; Godhead; the nature or essence of God. Christians ascribe divinity to one Supreme being only.
2. God; the Deity; the Supreme Being.
3. 3. A false god; a pretended deity of pagans.
4. 4. A celestial being, inferior to the Supreme god, but superior to man. Many nations believe in these inferior divinities. The Witnesses would naturally use # 4 to define Jesus.
5. Something supernatural
6. The science of divine things, the science which unfolds the character of God, his laws, and moral government, the duties of man, and the way of salvation; theology; as the study of divinity; a system of divinity.
So. Webster gives the reader 6 choices.
Word 3.
Deity:
1. Godhead; divinity; the nature and essence of the Supreme being; as the deity of the Supreme being is manifest in his works.
2. God; the Supreme being, or infinite self-existing Spirit.
3. A fabulous god or goddess; a superior being, supposed, by the Gentiles to exist, and to preside over particular departments of nature; as, Jupiter, Juno, Apollo, Diana, etc.
4. The supposed divinity or divine qualities of a pagan god.”
Word 4.
Divine, is found in the Bible in only three verses. Hebrews 9:1, and 2 Peter 1:3-4.
1. Pertaining to God, neuter, the divine nature, divinity. The divine nature in 1 Peter 1:3-4, “Belongs to both the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.”
Divine is the word the Jehovah’s Witnesses have used in Colossians 2:9, “because it is in him (Jesus) that all the fullness of the divine quality dwells bodily.” They use the phrase, “divine quality” whatever that means.
Godhead: We have the same lexicon definition "in the state of being God"
Word 2
Divinity: Is in my resource Bible the Apostolic Bible Polyglot, which originates from Complutensian Polyglot, I believe relied more on Codex Vaticanus and Codex Sinaiticus, with Strong No. G2305 and lexicon defined the Greek "theiotes" as divine nature. Find text below;
Rom 1:20 For G3588 G1063 his unseen attributes G517 G1473 from G575 the creation G2937 of the world G2889 to the G3588 actions G4161 being comprehended G3539 are looked at, G2529 both G3588 G5037 his everlasting G126 G1473 power G1411 and G2532 divinity, G2305 for G1519 G3588 them to be G1510.1 G1473 inexcusable. G379
Word 3:
Deity: is also in my same resource Bible with Strong No. G2320 and lexicon defined the Greek "theotes" as
being in the state of being God same with Godhead. Find text below;
Col 2:9 For G3754 in G1722 him G1473 dwells G2730 all G3956 the G3588 fullness G4138 of the G3588 deity G2320 bodily. G4985
Word 4
Divine: is also in my resource Bible with Strong No. G2304 and lexicon defined Greek "theios" as spoken of the only true God, Trinity, of Christ, the Father, and Holy Spirit. Please find text below and lexicon definition.
2Pe 1:3 as G5613 all things G3956 to us G1473 G3588 [2divine G2304 3power G1411 1of his], G1473 the things G3588 for G4314 life G2222 and G2532 piety, G2150 being presented G1433 through G1223 the G3588 full knowledge G1922 of the one G3588 having called G2564 us G1473 by G1223 glory G1391 and G2532 virtue, G703
G2304 (Thayer)
θεῖος theios
Thayer Definition:
1)a general name of deities or divinities as used by the Greeks
2) spoken of the only and true God, trinity
2a) of Christ
2b) Holy Spirit
2c) the Father
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Re: Progressive Revelation
Post #23You are not commenting on my post at all. You are not answering me. I said that Jesus is "seated at the right hand of God," and I asked you, "Would Jesus be sitting at his own right hand?"Capbook wrote: ↑Tue Feb 04, 2025 3:24 pmThere is no difference between Godhead and Deity, the Greek of both still is in Greek "theotes" which means being in the state of being God.onewithhim wrote: ↑Sun Feb 02, 2025 6:54 pmIn Jesus is the fullness of godship bodily. He is not God but has attributes of God, making him full of God's qualities. Thayer is not to be accepted as the be all and end all. Many versions of the Bible eschew the term "Godhead" and render that phrase as "For in him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form." It certainly doesn't mean that Jesus is God. Look at Colossians 3:1b: "Keep seeking the things above, where Christ is, seated at the right hand of God." (NASB) Would Jesus be sitting at his own right hand?Capbook wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2025 4:25 pmIn response to your statement I colored blue above.1213 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 26, 2025 4:26 amThe word Elohim can mean also just one God. And because Jesus tells there is only one true God, who is greater than him, I think it would be wrong to say there are more true Gods than one.placebofactor wrote: ↑Sat Jan 25, 2025 10:53 am The article is long, but I believe you will enjoy it. No questions, but I am sure there will be many comments, for and against.
Before the creation the first name we find in the Bible concerning God is, Elohim, “In the beginning God (Elohim)---.”
In Genesis 1, we equated the Hebrew Elohim a plural word
To you it was shown, that you might know that Yahweh he is God; there is none else besides him.
Deut. 4:35
Jesus answered, "The greatest is, 'Hear, Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one: you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind, and with all your strength.' This is the first commandment.
Mark 12:29-30
How can you believe, who receive glory from one another, and you don't seek the glory that comes from the only God?
John 5:44
This is eternal life, that they should know you, the only true God, and him whom you sent, Jesus Christ.
John 17:3
Jesus said to her, "Don't touch me, for I haven't yet ascended to my Father; but go to my brothers, and tell them, 'I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.'"
John 20:17
I think it is good to notice that in Genesis 2:4 the word "Lord" is actually Jehovah, or Yahweh.placebofactor wrote: ↑Sat Jan 25, 2025 10:53 am In Genesis 2:4 we come to another name for Deity. It's no longer “God” alone, but now, the “LORD God.” Note the title “LORD” is all in uppercase. ...
Jesus and the Father are one in the state of God. (Col 2:9)
Just like you and your son if you have, are one in the state of human.
Bible Lexicon defined "Godhead" in Greek "theotes" as the state of being God.
θεότης theotēs
Thayer Definition:
1) deity
1a) the state of being God, Godhead
Col 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
And Jesus had said that all that the Father has is mine. If the Father is God, that would also mean Jesus is in the state of being God.
Bible word "has" in Greek "echo" means as to have, to hold, own, posses etc.
If you don't refer to Bible lexicons to Bible word meaning, you will be misguided.
Jhn 16:15 All that the Father has is mine; therefore I said that he will take what is mine and declare it to you.
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Re: Progressive Revelation
Post #24I do not say that Jesus is the Father.onewithhim wrote: ↑Sun Feb 09, 2025 5:45 pmYou are not commenting on my post at all. You are not answering me. I said that Jesus is "seated at the right hand of God," and I asked you, "Would Jesus be sitting at his own right hand?"Capbook wrote: ↑Tue Feb 04, 2025 3:24 pmThere is no difference between Godhead and Deity, the Greek of both still is in Greek "theotes" which means being in the state of being God.onewithhim wrote: ↑Sun Feb 02, 2025 6:54 pmIn Jesus is the fullness of godship bodily. He is not God but has attributes of God, making him full of God's qualities. Thayer is not to be accepted as the be all and end all. Many versions of the Bible eschew the term "Godhead" and render that phrase as "For in him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form." It certainly doesn't mean that Jesus is God. Look at Colossians 3:1b: "Keep seeking the things above, where Christ is, seated at the right hand of God." (NASB) Would Jesus be sitting at his own right hand?Capbook wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2025 4:25 pmIn response to your statement I colored blue above.1213 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 26, 2025 4:26 amThe word Elohim can mean also just one God. And because Jesus tells there is only one true God, who is greater than him, I think it would be wrong to say there are more true Gods than one.placebofactor wrote: ↑Sat Jan 25, 2025 10:53 am The article is long, but I believe you will enjoy it. No questions, but I am sure there will be many comments, for and against.
Before the creation the first name we find in the Bible concerning God is, Elohim, “In the beginning God (Elohim)---.”
In Genesis 1, we equated the Hebrew Elohim a plural word
To you it was shown, that you might know that Yahweh he is God; there is none else besides him.
Deut. 4:35
Jesus answered, "The greatest is, 'Hear, Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one: you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind, and with all your strength.' This is the first commandment.
Mark 12:29-30
How can you believe, who receive glory from one another, and you don't seek the glory that comes from the only God?
John 5:44
This is eternal life, that they should know you, the only true God, and him whom you sent, Jesus Christ.
John 17:3
Jesus said to her, "Don't touch me, for I haven't yet ascended to my Father; but go to my brothers, and tell them, 'I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.'"
John 20:17
I think it is good to notice that in Genesis 2:4 the word "Lord" is actually Jehovah, or Yahweh.placebofactor wrote: ↑Sat Jan 25, 2025 10:53 am In Genesis 2:4 we come to another name for Deity. It's no longer “God” alone, but now, the “LORD God.” Note the title “LORD” is all in uppercase. ...
Jesus and the Father are one in the state of God. (Col 2:9)
Just like you and your son if you have, are one in the state of human.
Bible Lexicon defined "Godhead" in Greek "theotes" as the state of being God.
θεότης theotēs
Thayer Definition:
1) deity
1a) the state of being God, Godhead
Col 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
And Jesus had said that all that the Father has is mine. If the Father is God, that would also mean Jesus is in the state of being God.
Bible word "has" in Greek "echo" means as to have, to hold, own, posses etc.
If you don't refer to Bible lexicons to Bible word meaning, you will be misguided.
Jhn 16:15 All that the Father has is mine; therefore I said that he will take what is mine and declare it to you.
I'd said that Jesus and the Father are the same in the state of being God.
It does not mean that Jesus is the Tetragrammaton to me.
Tetragrammaton is the personal name of the Father, treated by the Jews as the most sacred name.
Yes, "YHWH" is considered the personal name of God in the Hebrew Bible, often vocalized as "Yahweh" and representing God's unique name revealed to Moses in the scriptures; it is referred to as the Tetragrammaton, a set of four Hebrew consonants representing the divine name. https://www.google.com/search?q=is+yhwh ... s-wiz-serp
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Re: Progressive Revelation
Post #25You say that Jesus is God. That means that he is sitting at his own right hand if he is God.Capbook wrote: ↑Mon Feb 10, 2025 3:14 pmI do not say that Jesus is the Father.onewithhim wrote: ↑Sun Feb 09, 2025 5:45 pmYou are not commenting on my post at all. You are not answering me. I said that Jesus is "seated at the right hand of God," and I asked you, "Would Jesus be sitting at his own right hand?"Capbook wrote: ↑Tue Feb 04, 2025 3:24 pmThere is no difference between Godhead and Deity, the Greek of both still is in Greek "theotes" which means being in the state of being God.onewithhim wrote: ↑Sun Feb 02, 2025 6:54 pmIn Jesus is the fullness of godship bodily. He is not God but has attributes of God, making him full of God's qualities. Thayer is not to be accepted as the be all and end all. Many versions of the Bible eschew the term "Godhead" and render that phrase as "For in him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form." It certainly doesn't mean that Jesus is God. Look at Colossians 3:1b: "Keep seeking the things above, where Christ is, seated at the right hand of God." (NASB) Would Jesus be sitting at his own right hand?Capbook wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2025 4:25 pmIn response to your statement I colored blue above.1213 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 26, 2025 4:26 amThe word Elohim can mean also just one God. And because Jesus tells there is only one true God, who is greater than him, I think it would be wrong to say there are more true Gods than one.placebofactor wrote: ↑Sat Jan 25, 2025 10:53 am The article is long, but I believe you will enjoy it. No questions, but I am sure there will be many comments, for and against.
Before the creation the first name we find in the Bible concerning God is, Elohim, “In the beginning God (Elohim)---.”
In Genesis 1, we equated the Hebrew Elohim a plural word
To you it was shown, that you might know that Yahweh he is God; there is none else besides him.
Deut. 4:35
Jesus answered, "The greatest is, 'Hear, Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one: you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind, and with all your strength.' This is the first commandment.
Mark 12:29-30
How can you believe, who receive glory from one another, and you don't seek the glory that comes from the only God?
John 5:44
This is eternal life, that they should know you, the only true God, and him whom you sent, Jesus Christ.
John 17:3
Jesus said to her, "Don't touch me, for I haven't yet ascended to my Father; but go to my brothers, and tell them, 'I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.'"
John 20:17
I think it is good to notice that in Genesis 2:4 the word "Lord" is actually Jehovah, or Yahweh.placebofactor wrote: ↑Sat Jan 25, 2025 10:53 am In Genesis 2:4 we come to another name for Deity. It's no longer “God” alone, but now, the “LORD God.” Note the title “LORD” is all in uppercase. ...
Jesus and the Father are one in the state of God. (Col 2:9)
Just like you and your son if you have, are one in the state of human.
Bible Lexicon defined "Godhead" in Greek "theotes" as the state of being God.
θεότης theotēs
Thayer Definition:
1) deity
1a) the state of being God, Godhead
Col 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
And Jesus had said that all that the Father has is mine. If the Father is God, that would also mean Jesus is in the state of being God.
Bible word "has" in Greek "echo" means as to have, to hold, own, posses etc.
If you don't refer to Bible lexicons to Bible word meaning, you will be misguided.
Jhn 16:15 All that the Father has is mine; therefore I said that he will take what is mine and declare it to you.
I'd said that Jesus and the Father are the same in the state of being God.
So....Jesus is NOT God, and that is why he can sit at the right hand of God.
Jesus himself said that only the Father is God. (John 17:3; John 20:17; Revelation 3:12)
If Jesus is also God, then there are two Gods. Ad the Holy Spirit and there are three Gods.
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Re: Progressive Revelation
Post #26I think you understand or just refuse to understand that all people are the same and "one in the state of being human.onewithhim wrote: ↑Tue Feb 11, 2025 8:32 amYou say that Jesus is God. That means that he is sitting at his own right hand if he is God.Capbook wrote: ↑Mon Feb 10, 2025 3:14 pmI do not say that Jesus is the Father.onewithhim wrote: ↑Sun Feb 09, 2025 5:45 pmYou are not commenting on my post at all. You are not answering me. I said that Jesus is "seated at the right hand of God," and I asked you, "Would Jesus be sitting at his own right hand?"Capbook wrote: ↑Tue Feb 04, 2025 3:24 pmThere is no difference between Godhead and Deity, the Greek of both still is in Greek "theotes" which means being in the state of being God.onewithhim wrote: ↑Sun Feb 02, 2025 6:54 pmIn Jesus is the fullness of godship bodily. He is not God but has attributes of God, making him full of God's qualities. Thayer is not to be accepted as the be all and end all. Many versions of the Bible eschew the term "Godhead" and render that phrase as "For in him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form." It certainly doesn't mean that Jesus is God. Look at Colossians 3:1b: "Keep seeking the things above, where Christ is, seated at the right hand of God." (NASB) Would Jesus be sitting at his own right hand?Capbook wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2025 4:25 pmIn response to your statement I colored blue above.1213 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 26, 2025 4:26 amThe word Elohim can mean also just one God. And because Jesus tells there is only one true God, who is greater than him, I think it would be wrong to say there are more true Gods than one.placebofactor wrote: ↑Sat Jan 25, 2025 10:53 am The article is long, but I believe you will enjoy it. No questions, but I am sure there will be many comments, for and against.
Before the creation the first name we find in the Bible concerning God is, Elohim, “In the beginning God (Elohim)---.”
In Genesis 1, we equated the Hebrew Elohim a plural word
To you it was shown, that you might know that Yahweh he is God; there is none else besides him.
Deut. 4:35
Jesus answered, "The greatest is, 'Hear, Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one: you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind, and with all your strength.' This is the first commandment.
Mark 12:29-30
How can you believe, who receive glory from one another, and you don't seek the glory that comes from the only God?
John 5:44
This is eternal life, that they should know you, the only true God, and him whom you sent, Jesus Christ.
John 17:3
Jesus said to her, "Don't touch me, for I haven't yet ascended to my Father; but go to my brothers, and tell them, 'I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.'"
John 20:17
I think it is good to notice that in Genesis 2:4 the word "Lord" is actually Jehovah, or Yahweh.placebofactor wrote: ↑Sat Jan 25, 2025 10:53 am In Genesis 2:4 we come to another name for Deity. It's no longer “God” alone, but now, the “LORD God.” Note the title “LORD” is all in uppercase. ...
Jesus and the Father are one in the state of God. (Col 2:9)
Just like you and your son if you have, are one in the state of human.
Bible Lexicon defined "Godhead" in Greek "theotes" as the state of being God.
θεότης theotēs
Thayer Definition:
1) deity
1a) the state of being God, Godhead
Col 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
And Jesus had said that all that the Father has is mine. If the Father is God, that would also mean Jesus is in the state of being God.
Bible word "has" in Greek "echo" means as to have, to hold, own, posses etc.
If you don't refer to Bible lexicons to Bible word meaning, you will be misguided.
Jhn 16:15 All that the Father has is mine; therefore I said that he will take what is mine and declare it to you.
I'd said that Jesus and the Father are the same in the state of being God.
So....Jesus is NOT God, and that is why he can sit at the right hand of God.
Jesus himself said that only the Father is God. (John 17:3; John 20:17; Revelation 3:12)
If Jesus is also God, then there are two Gods. Ad the Holy Spirit and there are three Gods.
If you cannot understand the statement above, how much more with the word of God then.
The Father, Jesus and the Holy Spirit are one in the state of being God.(Mat 28:19)(Col 2:9)
I believe that is hard to digest by those who hold the Arian's belief, more specially when cannot comprehend the first sentence above.
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Re: Progressive Revelation
Post #27I will say the exact same thing about your understanding. You seem unable to reason about anything presented to you. We have discussed Matthew 28:19 and Colossians 2:9 at length, yet you don't reason with JWs, you just keep quoting the verses.Capbook wrote: ↑Tue Feb 11, 2025 5:15 pmI think you understand or just refuse to understand that all people are the same and "one in the state of being human.onewithhim wrote: ↑Tue Feb 11, 2025 8:32 amYou say that Jesus is God. That means that he is sitting at his own right hand if he is God.Capbook wrote: ↑Mon Feb 10, 2025 3:14 pmI do not say that Jesus is the Father.onewithhim wrote: ↑Sun Feb 09, 2025 5:45 pmYou are not commenting on my post at all. You are not answering me. I said that Jesus is "seated at the right hand of God," and I asked you, "Would Jesus be sitting at his own right hand?"Capbook wrote: ↑Tue Feb 04, 2025 3:24 pmThere is no difference between Godhead and Deity, the Greek of both still is in Greek "theotes" which means being in the state of being God.onewithhim wrote: ↑Sun Feb 02, 2025 6:54 pmIn Jesus is the fullness of godship bodily. He is not God but has attributes of God, making him full of God's qualities. Thayer is not to be accepted as the be all and end all. Many versions of the Bible eschew the term "Godhead" and render that phrase as "For in him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form." It certainly doesn't mean that Jesus is God. Look at Colossians 3:1b: "Keep seeking the things above, where Christ is, seated at the right hand of God." (NASB) Would Jesus be sitting at his own right hand?Capbook wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2025 4:25 pmIn response to your statement I colored blue above.1213 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 26, 2025 4:26 amThe word Elohim can mean also just one God. And because Jesus tells there is only one true God, who is greater than him, I think it would be wrong to say there are more true Gods than one.placebofactor wrote: ↑Sat Jan 25, 2025 10:53 am The article is long, but I believe you will enjoy it. No questions, but I am sure there will be many comments, for and against.
Before the creation the first name we find in the Bible concerning God is, Elohim, “In the beginning God (Elohim)---.”
In Genesis 1, we equated the Hebrew Elohim a plural word
To you it was shown, that you might know that Yahweh he is God; there is none else besides him.
Deut. 4:35
Jesus answered, "The greatest is, 'Hear, Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one: you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind, and with all your strength.' This is the first commandment.
Mark 12:29-30
How can you believe, who receive glory from one another, and you don't seek the glory that comes from the only God?
John 5:44
This is eternal life, that they should know you, the only true God, and him whom you sent, Jesus Christ.
John 17:3
Jesus said to her, "Don't touch me, for I haven't yet ascended to my Father; but go to my brothers, and tell them, 'I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.'"
John 20:17
I think it is good to notice that in Genesis 2:4 the word "Lord" is actually Jehovah, or Yahweh.placebofactor wrote: ↑Sat Jan 25, 2025 10:53 am In Genesis 2:4 we come to another name for Deity. It's no longer “God” alone, but now, the “LORD God.” Note the title “LORD” is all in uppercase. ...
Jesus and the Father are one in the state of God. (Col 2:9)
Just like you and your son if you have, are one in the state of human.
Bible Lexicon defined "Godhead" in Greek "theotes" as the state of being God.
θεότης theotēs
Thayer Definition:
1) deity
1a) the state of being God, Godhead
Col 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
And Jesus had said that all that the Father has is mine. If the Father is God, that would also mean Jesus is in the state of being God.
Bible word "has" in Greek "echo" means as to have, to hold, own, posses etc.
If you don't refer to Bible lexicons to Bible word meaning, you will be misguided.
Jhn 16:15 All that the Father has is mine; therefore I said that he will take what is mine and declare it to you.
I'd said that Jesus and the Father are the same in the state of being God.
So....Jesus is NOT God, and that is why he can sit at the right hand of God.
Jesus himself said that only the Father is God. (John 17:3; John 20:17; Revelation 3:12)
If Jesus is also God, then there are two Gods. Ad the Holy Spirit and there are three Gods.
If you cannot understand the statement above, how much more with the word of God then.
The Father, Jesus and the Holy Spirit are one in the state of being God.(Mat 28:19)(Col 2:9)
I believe that is hard to digest by those who hold the Arian's belief, more specially when cannot comprehend the first sentence above.
Matt. 28:19 says nothing about the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit all being equal, or all being God. Colossians 2:9 has brought from JWs a plethora of examples of translations where "Godhead" is not used, and give an entirely different meaning than what you espouse.
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Re: Progressive Revelation
Post #28I do quote God's word, specially Mat 28:19, for the three are separately mentioned. You rely on Moffatt which is not a word for word translation. That might be the reason why some are misguided.onewithhim wrote: ↑Sat Feb 15, 2025 1:28 pmI will say the exact same thing about your understanding. You seem unable to reason about anything presented to you. We have discussed Matthew 28:19 and Colossians 2:9 at length, yet you don't reason with JWs, you just keep quoting the verses.Capbook wrote: ↑Tue Feb 11, 2025 5:15 pmI think you understand or just refuse to understand that all people are the same and "one in the state of being human.onewithhim wrote: ↑Tue Feb 11, 2025 8:32 amYou say that Jesus is God. That means that he is sitting at his own right hand if he is God.Capbook wrote: ↑Mon Feb 10, 2025 3:14 pmI do not say that Jesus is the Father.onewithhim wrote: ↑Sun Feb 09, 2025 5:45 pmYou are not commenting on my post at all. You are not answering me. I said that Jesus is "seated at the right hand of God," and I asked you, "Would Jesus be sitting at his own right hand?"Capbook wrote: ↑Tue Feb 04, 2025 3:24 pmThere is no difference between Godhead and Deity, the Greek of both still is in Greek "theotes" which means being in the state of being God.onewithhim wrote: ↑Sun Feb 02, 2025 6:54 pmIn Jesus is the fullness of godship bodily. He is not God but has attributes of God, making him full of God's qualities. Thayer is not to be accepted as the be all and end all. Many versions of the Bible eschew the term "Godhead" and render that phrase as "For in him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form." It certainly doesn't mean that Jesus is God. Look at Colossians 3:1b: "Keep seeking the things above, where Christ is, seated at the right hand of God." (NASB) Would Jesus be sitting at his own right hand?Capbook wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2025 4:25 pmIn response to your statement I colored blue above.1213 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 26, 2025 4:26 amThe word Elohim can mean also just one God. And because Jesus tells there is only one true God, who is greater than him, I think it would be wrong to say there are more true Gods than one.placebofactor wrote: ↑Sat Jan 25, 2025 10:53 am The article is long, but I believe you will enjoy it. No questions, but I am sure there will be many comments, for and against.
Before the creation the first name we find in the Bible concerning God is, Elohim, “In the beginning God (Elohim)---.”
In Genesis 1, we equated the Hebrew Elohim a plural word
To you it was shown, that you might know that Yahweh he is God; there is none else besides him.
Deut. 4:35
Jesus answered, "The greatest is, 'Hear, Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one: you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind, and with all your strength.' This is the first commandment.
Mark 12:29-30
How can you believe, who receive glory from one another, and you don't seek the glory that comes from the only God?
John 5:44
This is eternal life, that they should know you, the only true God, and him whom you sent, Jesus Christ.
John 17:3
Jesus said to her, "Don't touch me, for I haven't yet ascended to my Father; but go to my brothers, and tell them, 'I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.'"
John 20:17
I think it is good to notice that in Genesis 2:4 the word "Lord" is actually Jehovah, or Yahweh.placebofactor wrote: ↑Sat Jan 25, 2025 10:53 am In Genesis 2:4 we come to another name for Deity. It's no longer “God” alone, but now, the “LORD God.” Note the title “LORD” is all in uppercase. ...
Jesus and the Father are one in the state of God. (Col 2:9)
Just like you and your son if you have, are one in the state of human.
Bible Lexicon defined "Godhead" in Greek "theotes" as the state of being God.
θεότης theotēs
Thayer Definition:
1) deity
1a) the state of being God, Godhead
Col 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
And Jesus had said that all that the Father has is mine. If the Father is God, that would also mean Jesus is in the state of being God.
Bible word "has" in Greek "echo" means as to have, to hold, own, posses etc.
If you don't refer to Bible lexicons to Bible word meaning, you will be misguided.
Jhn 16:15 All that the Father has is mine; therefore I said that he will take what is mine and declare it to you.
I'd said that Jesus and the Father are the same in the state of being God.
So....Jesus is NOT God, and that is why he can sit at the right hand of God.
Jesus himself said that only the Father is God. (John 17:3; John 20:17; Revelation 3:12)
If Jesus is also God, then there are two Gods. Ad the Holy Spirit and there are three Gods.
If you cannot understand the statement above, how much more with the word of God then.
The Father, Jesus and the Holy Spirit are one in the state of being God.(Mat 28:19)(Col 2:9)
I believe that is hard to digest by those who hold the Arian's belief, more specially when cannot comprehend the first sentence above.
Matt. 28:19 says nothing about the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit all being equal, or all being God. Colossians 2:9 has brought from JWs a plethora of examples of translations where "Godhead" is not used, and give an entirely different meaning than what you espouse.
JWs interpret the Holy Spirit as breath, force and power of God. Mentioned formally by Jesus in John 14:26.
Do you mention or present your own breath, force and power to your friends separately?
Jhn 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you
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Re: Progressive Revelation
Post #29What are word-for-word translations? Can you name them? I don't think there are any except Interlinear Bibles.Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Feb 15, 2025 3:41 pmI do quote God's word, specially Mat 28:19, for the three are separately mentioned. You rely on Moffatt which is not a word for word translation. That might be the reason why some are misguided.onewithhim wrote: ↑Sat Feb 15, 2025 1:28 pmI will say the exact same thing about your understanding. You seem unable to reason about anything presented to you. We have discussed Matthew 28:19 and Colossians 2:9 at length, yet you don't reason with JWs, you just keep quoting the verses.Capbook wrote: ↑Tue Feb 11, 2025 5:15 pmI think you understand or just refuse to understand that all people are the same and "one in the state of being human.onewithhim wrote: ↑Tue Feb 11, 2025 8:32 amYou say that Jesus is God. That means that he is sitting at his own right hand if he is God.Capbook wrote: ↑Mon Feb 10, 2025 3:14 pmI do not say that Jesus is the Father.onewithhim wrote: ↑Sun Feb 09, 2025 5:45 pmYou are not commenting on my post at all. You are not answering me. I said that Jesus is "seated at the right hand of God," and I asked you, "Would Jesus be sitting at his own right hand?"Capbook wrote: ↑Tue Feb 04, 2025 3:24 pmThere is no difference between Godhead and Deity, the Greek of both still is in Greek "theotes" which means being in the state of being God.onewithhim wrote: ↑Sun Feb 02, 2025 6:54 pmIn Jesus is the fullness of godship bodily. He is not God but has attributes of God, making him full of God's qualities. Thayer is not to be accepted as the be all and end all. Many versions of the Bible eschew the term "Godhead" and render that phrase as "For in him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form." It certainly doesn't mean that Jesus is God. Look at Colossians 3:1b: "Keep seeking the things above, where Christ is, seated at the right hand of God." (NASB) Would Jesus be sitting at his own right hand?Capbook wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2025 4:25 pmIn response to your statement I colored blue above.1213 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 26, 2025 4:26 am
The word Elohim can mean also just one God. And because Jesus tells there is only one true God, who is greater than him, I think it would be wrong to say there are more true Gods than one.
To you it was shown, that you might know that Yahweh he is God; there is none else besides him.
Deut. 4:35
Jesus answered, "The greatest is, 'Hear, Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one: you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind, and with all your strength.' This is the first commandment.
Mark 12:29-30
How can you believe, who receive glory from one another, and you don't seek the glory that comes from the only God?
John 5:44
This is eternal life, that they should know you, the only true God, and him whom you sent, Jesus Christ.
John 17:3
Jesus said to her, "Don't touch me, for I haven't yet ascended to my Father; but go to my brothers, and tell them, 'I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.'"
John 20:17
I think it is good to notice that in Genesis 2:4 the word "Lord" is actually Jehovah, or Yahweh.
Jesus and the Father are one in the state of God. (Col 2:9)
Just like you and your son if you have, are one in the state of human.
Bible Lexicon defined "Godhead" in Greek "theotes" as the state of being God.
θεότης theotēs
Thayer Definition:
1) deity
1a) the state of being God, Godhead
Col 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
And Jesus had said that all that the Father has is mine. If the Father is God, that would also mean Jesus is in the state of being God.
Bible word "has" in Greek "echo" means as to have, to hold, own, posses etc.
If you don't refer to Bible lexicons to Bible word meaning, you will be misguided.
Jhn 16:15 All that the Father has is mine; therefore I said that he will take what is mine and declare it to you.
I'd said that Jesus and the Father are the same in the state of being God.
So....Jesus is NOT God, and that is why he can sit at the right hand of God.
Jesus himself said that only the Father is God. (John 17:3; John 20:17; Revelation 3:12)
If Jesus is also God, then there are two Gods. Ad the Holy Spirit and there are three Gods.
If you cannot understand the statement above, how much more with the word of God then.
The Father, Jesus and the Holy Spirit are one in the state of being God.(Mat 28:19)(Col 2:9)
I believe that is hard to digest by those who hold the Arian's belief, more specially when cannot comprehend the first sentence above.
Matt. 28:19 says nothing about the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit all being equal, or all being God. Colossians 2:9 has brought from JWs a plethora of examples of translations where "Godhead" is not used, and give an entirely different meaning than what you espouse.
JWs interpret the Holy Spirit as breath, force and power of God. Mentioned formally by Jesus in John 14:26.
Do you mention or present your own breath, force and power to your friends separately?
Jhn 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you
What is the Holy Spirit's name, if it is a Person? Every person has a name.
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Post #30I can post many, like the ESV that does not follow its textual basis of KJV, those translations that follows Codex Vaticanus, and etc.onewithhim wrote: ↑Sun Feb 16, 2025 8:58 pmWhat are word-for-word translations? Can you name them? I don't think there are any except Interlinear Bibles.Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Feb 15, 2025 3:41 pmI do quote God's word, specially Mat 28:19, for the three are separately mentioned. You rely on Moffatt which is not a word for word translation. That might be the reason why some are misguided.onewithhim wrote: ↑Sat Feb 15, 2025 1:28 pmI will say the exact same thing about your understanding. You seem unable to reason about anything presented to you. We have discussed Matthew 28:19 and Colossians 2:9 at length, yet you don't reason with JWs, you just keep quoting the verses.Capbook wrote: ↑Tue Feb 11, 2025 5:15 pmI think you understand or just refuse to understand that all people are the same and "one in the state of being human.onewithhim wrote: ↑Tue Feb 11, 2025 8:32 amYou say that Jesus is God. That means that he is sitting at his own right hand if he is God.Capbook wrote: ↑Mon Feb 10, 2025 3:14 pmI do not say that Jesus is the Father.onewithhim wrote: ↑Sun Feb 09, 2025 5:45 pmYou are not commenting on my post at all. You are not answering me. I said that Jesus is "seated at the right hand of God," and I asked you, "Would Jesus be sitting at his own right hand?"Capbook wrote: ↑Tue Feb 04, 2025 3:24 pmThere is no difference between Godhead and Deity, the Greek of both still is in Greek "theotes" which means being in the state of being God.onewithhim wrote: ↑Sun Feb 02, 2025 6:54 pmIn Jesus is the fullness of godship bodily. He is not God but has attributes of God, making him full of God's qualities. Thayer is not to be accepted as the be all and end all. Many versions of the Bible eschew the term "Godhead" and render that phrase as "For in him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form." It certainly doesn't mean that Jesus is God. Look at Colossians 3:1b: "Keep seeking the things above, where Christ is, seated at the right hand of God." (NASB) Would Jesus be sitting at his own right hand?Capbook wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2025 4:25 pm
In response to your statement I colored blue above.
Jesus and the Father are one in the state of God. (Col 2:9)
Just like you and your son if you have, are one in the state of human.
Bible Lexicon defined "Godhead" in Greek "theotes" as the state of being God.
θεότης theotēs
Thayer Definition:
1) deity
1a) the state of being God, Godhead
Col 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
And Jesus had said that all that the Father has is mine. If the Father is God, that would also mean Jesus is in the state of being God.
Bible word "has" in Greek "echo" means as to have, to hold, own, posses etc.
If you don't refer to Bible lexicons to Bible word meaning, you will be misguided.
Jhn 16:15 All that the Father has is mine; therefore I said that he will take what is mine and declare it to you.
I'd said that Jesus and the Father are the same in the state of being God.
So....Jesus is NOT God, and that is why he can sit at the right hand of God.
Jesus himself said that only the Father is God. (John 17:3; John 20:17; Revelation 3:12)
If Jesus is also God, then there are two Gods. Ad the Holy Spirit and there are three Gods.
If you cannot understand the statement above, how much more with the word of God then.
The Father, Jesus and the Holy Spirit are one in the state of being God.(Mat 28:19)(Col 2:9)
I believe that is hard to digest by those who hold the Arian's belief, more specially when cannot comprehend the first sentence above.
Matt. 28:19 says nothing about the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit all being equal, or all being God. Colossians 2:9 has brought from JWs a plethora of examples of translations where "Godhead" is not used, and give an entirely different meaning than what you espouse.
JWs interpret the Holy Spirit as breath, force and power of God. Mentioned formally by Jesus in John 14:26.
Do you mention or present your own breath, force and power to your friends separately?
Jhn 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you
What is the Holy Spirit's name, if it is a Person? Every person has a name.
The English Standard Version (ESV) of the Bible is an essentially literal translation that emphasizes word-for-word accuracy. It's intended to reproduce the original text's precise wording and the style of each Bible writer. https://www.google.com/search?q=is+esv+ ... e&ie=UTF-8
In Christianity, the Holy Spirit is most commonly referred to as simply "the Holy Spirit," but in the New Testament, Jesus often called it the "Paraclete," which translates to "Helper" or "Advocate" in Greek; this is considered one of the primary names for the Holy Spirit.https://www.google.com/search?q=is+esv+ ... e&ie=UTF-8