Democracy?

[Tcg]

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In the past, the youth sang songs of protest. Today all we get is vapid pop songs. I guess we have to leave it up to the old guys to wake us up.



Why are we willing to give up our freedom to any totalitarian who promises comfort even though we know deep down it is a lie?


Tcg

[Athetotheist]

[Replying to marke in post #20]

Th fact of a long history of democrat voting fraud and existing democrat opposition to voting security measures serve to support the evidence of democrat voting fraud and Biden's candid admission of their enhanced voting fraud organization.

Earlier you said:

so much unchallenged evidence of fraud has come to light since then that there is no longer any doubt the democrats stole thje 2020 election.

What is the new evidence specifically? Have any new lawsuits been filed around it? Has it been brought up in Congress?

[marke]

[Replying to marke in post #20]

Th fact of a long history of democrat voting fraud and existing democrat opposition to voting security measures serve to support the evidence of democrat voting fraud and Biden's candid admission of their enhanced voting fraud organization.

Earlier you said:

so much unchallenged evidence of fraud has come to light since then that there is no longer any doubt the democrats stole thje 2020 election.

What is the new evidence specifically? Have any new lawsuits been filed around it? Has it been brought up in Congress?

There are substantial amounts of 2020 voting fraud evidence that has never been refuted. I have hundreds of reports in my files.

https://www.citizensjournal.us/ga-poll- ... were-fake/

GA Poll Worker Confesses UNDER OATH That 10 to 20 THOUSAND Biden Absentee Ballots They Counted Were FAKE

Suzi Voyles, the poll manager for Fulton County, Georgia, discovered a disturbingly peculiar pattern of regularity in the markings for Joseph R. Biden when she looked through a big stack of mail-in ballots in November.
The absentee ballots all had flawlessly filled-in ovals for Biden, with the exception that each of the darkening bubbles had an identical white space inside it in the shape of a tiny crescent, indicating they’d been inscribed with toner ink rather than a pen or pencil.

She also noticed that all of the ballots were printed on different stock paper than the others she handled during a statewide hand recount of the razor-thin Nov. 3 presidential election, which added to her suspicions. None of the mail-in ballots had been folded or wrinkled, as she had seen in the past with ballots that had been removed from envelopes.
In other words, the Biden votes appeared to be replicated by a copying machine.

[Athetotheist]

[Replying to marke in post #22]

The link you provide tells me, "The origin web server is not reachable."

However, I did find this:

https://apnews.com/article/atlanta-geor ... 5f16285b38

.....which includes the following:

"Investigators spoke with Susan Voyles, an auditor during the hand count. She said she saw a batch of "pristine" absentee ballots that appeared to have been marked by a computer rather than by hand and weren’t creased as they would have been if they had been put in envelopes.

Investigators examined the ballots in the batches and box identified by Voyles, but all had been creased and none appeared to have been marked by a computer. Voyles then told investigators she may have been mistaken and gave them another box number. Investigators determined the box-batch combination she cited didn’t exist."

[marke]

[Replying to marke in post #22]

The link you provide tells me, "The origin web server is not reachable."

However, I did find this:

https://apnews.com/article/atlanta-geor ... 5f16285b38

.....which includes the following:

"Investigators spoke with Susan Voyles, an auditor during the hand count. She said she saw a batch of "pristine" absentee ballots that appeared to have been marked by a computer rather than by hand and weren’t creased as they would have been if they had been put in envelopes.

Investigators examined the ballots in the batches and box identified by Voyles, but all had been creased and none appeared to have been marked by a computer. Voyles then told investigators she may have been mistaken and gave them another box number. Investigators determined the box-batch combination she cited didn’t exist."

A judge ordered the ballots seized and stored in a warehouse to be examined at a later date. The judge ordered the sealed ballots to be secured in the warehouse but the warehouse suffered a breach of security nonetheless so we may never know if someone tampered with the quarantined ballots. Furthermore, the judge later dismissed the case without any reliable examination of the questionable ballots. Such is the way of corrupt public servants who wittingly or unwittingly protect voting fraud.
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3. GA judge orders 'strangely pristine' mail-in ballots, that look photocopied, to be guarded (bizpacreview.com) 6-9-21
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Court orders inspection into possible counterfeit ballots in Georgia | Canada Free Press 4-15-21


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The integrity of the voting process has finally begun under Court-ordered scrutiny
Court orders inspection into possible counterfeit ballots in Georgia
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By David Singer ——Bio and Archives--April 15, 2021
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Agreement by all parties on a detailed plan for maintaining the secrecy and security of absentee ballots cast in Fulton County Georgia has seen the Fulton County Superior Court on April 13 give the go-ahead for the images of some 140000 to 1500000 absentee ballot papers in Fulton County to be produced within 5 days for examination by two experts nominated by the Petitioners in proceedings commenced under Civil Action 2020CV343938 (“Civil Action”).

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Question of whether or not to unseal the actual paper ballots
The experts together have about 40 years’ experience in forensic documents analysis. They will be helped by 45 other persons nominated by the Petitioners. It has been made clear to the Court that the experts will be looking to ascertain how many – if any - counterfeit ballots were counted. The Judge is taking on advisement the question of whether or not to unseal the actual paper ballots – but as an intermediate or threshold step ordered that date-stamped images be provided to the Petitioners for inspection. The hearing has been adjourned for 30 days to allow the inspection process to be undertaken. Claims made by six hand count auditors in the Civil Action allege they had observed:
1. three boxes containing I00% Biden ballots and three boxes containing 98% + Biden ballots
2. ballots that were not marked with a writing instrument but appeared to be marked with toner
3. ballots that were different in the stock or paper used to other ballot papers
4. ballots that were not creased
5. nine unsecured ballot bags
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Georgia judge dismisses most of lawsuit seeking inspection of Fulton County ballots | CNN Politics 6-25-21

Georgia judge dismisses most of lawsuit seeking inspection of Fulton County ballots
By Jason Morris, CNN
Updated 10:05 AM EDT, Fri June 25, 2021

A worker at the Fulton County Board of Registration and Elections works to process absentee ballots at the State Farm Arena on Monday, November 2, 2020, in Atlanta.
John Bazemore/AP
CNN —
A Georgia judge has dismissed most of a lawsuit seeking an inspection of Fulton County’s absentee ballots from the 2020 presidential election.
It’s a potential setback to the Republican-led effort to undermine the legitimacy of the results in the state’s largest county, even though the case will proceed for the time being.
The plaintiffs, who believe counterfeit ballots were counted in the 2020 election, have pushed to use microscopes to examine nearly 150,000 absentee ballots. They are seeking to examine the paper stock, creases and method in which the bubbles were filled to determine if any ballots are counterfeit.
Even if the audit proceeds, it will not lead to Georgia’s election results – which have already been certified for President Joe Biden – being overturned.
Henry County Superior Court Chief Judge Brian Amero on Thursday dismissed the case against Fulton County, the Fulton County Board of Registration and Elections, and the Fulton County Clerk judge. He said the plaintiffs “have failed to meet their burden to show an applicable waiver of sovereign immunity such that their constitutional claims may proceed against these governmental actors in the petition’s current form.”
Sovereign immunity laws limit when plaintiffs can go to the courts for relief.
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Why a Judge Has Georgia Vote Fraud on His Mind: ‘Pristine’ Biden Ballots That Looked Xeroxed | RealClearInvestigations

As part of his May 21 order, Superior Court Judge Brian Amero requested officials guard the warehouse around the clock until an inspection date can be set. But just eight days later, a breach in security was reported after sheriff’s deputies left their post for a couple of hours.

[Athetotheist]

[Replying to marke in post #24]

https://www.snopes.com/collections/no-s ... raud-2020/


"• Overall, we rate Bizpac Review Right Biased based on story selection and editorial positions that almost always favor the right. We also rate them Mixed for factual reporting due to poor sources, misleading loaded language, and several failed fact checks.

• Overall, we rate RealClearInvestigations Right-Center Biased based on story selection that moderately favors the Right. We also rate them Mostly Factual rather than High due to utilizing sources that have Mixed records with facts."
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/real-cle ... tigations/

This is why it's so important to vet our information sources.

It's also important to remember that questionable practices are non-partisan:

https://www.newsweek.com/trump-supporte ... ns-1821757

https://www.reuters.com/article/world/t ... KBN25U2FX/


When we have a system designed to play us against each other, we have to be especially careful to keep from being misled by our own biases.

[marke]

[Replying to marke in post #24]

https://www.snopes.com/collections/no-s ... raud-2020/


"• Overall, we rate Bizpac Review Right Biased based on story selection and editorial positions that almost always favor the right. We also rate them Mixed for factual reporting due to poor sources, misleading loaded language, and several failed fact checks.

• Overall, we rate RealClearInvestigations Right-Center Biased based on story selection that moderately favors the Right. We also rate them Mostly Factual rather than High due to utilizing sources that have Mixed records with facts."
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/real-cle ... tigations/

This is why it's so important to vet our information sources.

It's also important to remember that questionable practices are non-partisan:

https://www.newsweek.com/trump-supporte ... ns-1821757

https://www.reuters.com/article/world/t ... KBN25U2FX/


When we have a system designed to play us against each other, we have to be especially careful to keep from being misled by our own biases.

Since both sides claim bias let's examine evidence that cannot be denied regardless of bias.

https://abc7.com/voter-fraud-hawthorne- ... s/8046531/

8,000 fraudulent voter registration applications filed by pair in Hawthorne election
A man who tried to run for mayor in Hawthorne is among two people charged in a voter fraud case in which thousands of fraudulent voter registration applications were allegedly submitted on behalf of homeless people.

City News Service

[Athetotheist]

[Replying to marke in post #26]

8,000 fraudulent voter registration applications filed by pair in Hawthorne election
A man who tried to run for mayor in Hawthorne is among two people charged in a voter fraud case in which thousands of fraudulent voter registration applications were allegedly submitted on behalf of homeless people.

"A separate investigation led authorities to discover those ballots at a motel room. That evidence was handed over to the FBI."

More evidence that our elections are secure.

[marke]

[Replying to marke in post #26]

8,000 fraudulent voter registration applications filed by pair in Hawthorne election
A man who tried to run for mayor in Hawthorne is among two people charged in a voter fraud case in which thousands of fraudulent voter registration applications were allegedly submitted on behalf of homeless people.

"A separate investigation led authorities to discover those ballots at a motel room. That evidence was handed over to the FBI."

More evidence that our elections are secure.

How many vulnerable voting machines were examined for corruption after the 2020 election? Thousands? No. Hundreds? No. Dozens? No. Fewer than five were thoroughly examined and that only by court order since democrats fought tooth and nail to prevent the questionable machines from being examined by non-devoted democrats. A judge in Georgia had to order the democrats to stop erasing data on the vulnerable and questionable machines after the 2020 election so the machines could later be examined by republican experts, even though republicans were never later allowed to forensically examine those same machines.

Judge orders Georgia officials not to 'erase' data from Dominion voting machines in 3 counties - TheBlaze

Republican electors are seeking a forensic inspection of the machines
PHIL SHIVER
NOVEMBER 30, 2020

A federal judge on Sunday barred state officials in Georgia from wiping Dominion voting machines in three Atlanta-area counties after Republicans electors filed an emergency motion seeking their inspection.
What are the details?

U.S. District Judge Timothy Batten Sr.'s order — which applies to voting machines in Cobb, Gwinnett, and Cherokee counties — came about after pro-Trump attorney Sidney Powell filed a lawsuit in the state alleging the machines were manipulated to procure an election victory for Democratic nominee Joe Biden.

Plaintiffs in the case, including conservative teen pundit C.J. Pearson, are seeking an order to allow them to forensically inspect the machines for evidence of fraud.

"Defendants are hereby enjoined and restrained from altering, destroying, or erasing, or allowing the alteration, destruction, or erasure of, any software or data on any Dominion voting machine in Cobb, Gwinnett, and Cherokee Counties," the order stated. "This temporary restraining order shall remain in effect for ten days, or until further order of the Court, whichever comes first."

Batten also ordered the group of defendants, which includes Georgia Gov. Brian Kemp (R) and Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger (R), to "file a brief setting forth in detail the factual bases they have, if any, against allowing" forensic inspections of the machines in the three counties. They have until Wednesday to do so.

According to the order, in a hearing on Sunday, state officials demonstrated opposition to a forensic inspection of the machines and argued they don't have the authority to instruct county officials on the matter.

[Athetotheist]

[Replying to marke in post #28]

How many vulnerable voting machines were examined for corruption after the 2020 election? Thousands? No. Hundreds? No. Dozens? No.

If five machines are examined and no sign of tampering is found, what then? Demand that dozens be examined?

If dozens of machines are examined and no sign of tampering is found, what then? Demand that hundreds be examined?

If hundreds of machines are examined and no sign of tampering is found, what then? Demand that thousands be examined?

Desperation, thy name is Politics.

As I recall, a cadre of strategists accused Dominion Voting Systems of election fraud and that it didn't go well for the accusers.
https://apnews.com/article/fox-news-dom ... e747fb0afe

[marke]

[Replying to marke in post #28]

How many vulnerable voting machines were examined for corruption after the 2020 election? Thousands? No. Hundreds? No. Dozens? No.

If five machines are examined and no sign of tampering is found, what then? Demand that dozens be examined?

I don't know of any machines the democrats allowed republicans to examine except for one in Michigan that a court forced election officials to allow forensics examiners to examine. In that one machine along examiners found that 6,000 Trump votes had been flipped by the machine for Biden. I said 5 to give the benefit of doubt in case there may have been other machines thoroughly examined, not partially examined, by republican forensics experts that I did not know about.

Forensic Audit of the Dominion Voting Equipment in Michigan Shows 'Intentional Errors' (amac.us) 12-15-20
Forensic Audit Of The Dominion Voting Equipment In Michigan Shows ‘Intentional Errors’


If dozens of machines are examined and no sign of tampering is found, what then? Demand that hundreds be examined?

If hundreds of machines are examined and no sign of tampering is found, what then? Demand that thousands be examined?

Desperation, thy name is Politics.

As I recall, a cadre of strategists accused Dominion Voting Systems of election fraud and that it didn't go well for the accusers.
https://apnews.com/article/fox-news-dom ... e747fb0afe

Democrats were highly successful at preventing forensics experts from examining Dominion voting machines after the 2020 election until after election workers had wiped them clean of 2020 evidence. Nevertheless, we still have incontrovertible evidence of a far left democrat supporting Dominion official promising to prevent Trump from getting elected in 2020.

How Eric Coomer Became the 'Perfect Villain' for Voting Conspiracists - The New York Times (nytimes.com) 8-24-21

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He Was the ‘Perfect Villain’ for Voting Conspiracists
Eric Coomer had an election-security job at Dominion Voting Systems. He also had posted anti-Trump messages on Facebook. What happened next ruined his life.
Eric Coomer, former director of product strategy and security for Dominion Voting Systems.Credit...Bryan Schutmaat for The New York Times

By Susan Dominus
• Published Aug. 24, 2021Updated June 15, 2023

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It was already late on Nov. 9 when Eric Coomer, then the director of product strategy and security for Dominion Voting Systems, left his temporary office on Daley Plaza in Chicago and headed back to the hotel where he’d been staying for the previous few weeks. Both the plaza and the hotel had the eerie post-apocalyptic feel of urban life during the pandemic, compounding the sense of disorientation and apprehension he felt as he made his way up to his room.
Earlier that evening, a colleague sent him a link to a video of Coomer speaking at a conference with a menacing comment below it. “Hi Eric! We know what you did,” the commenter wrote. That link eventually led Coomer to a second video, which he watched in his hotel room. What he saw, he quickly realized, was something that was likely to wreck his life, hurt his employer and possibly erode trust in the electoral process.
Over the past decade, Coomer, 51, has helped make Dominion one of the largest providers of voting machines and software in the United States. He was a gifted programmer, known to be serious about his work but informal about almost everything else — prone to profanities, with a sense of humor that could have blunt force. Coomer, who traveled around the world for competitive endurance bike races, would have blended in on the campus of Google, just one in a crowd of nonconformist tech types. In the more corporate business of elections, he stood out for the full-sleeve tattoos on his arms (one of Francis Bacon’s “Screaming Popes,” some Picasso bulls) and the half-inch holes in his ears where he once wore what are known as plugs.
Coomer was accustomed to working long days during the postelection certification process, but the stress that November was building quickly. Donald Trump was demanding recounts. The president’s allies in the Stop the Steal movement had spent months stoking fears of election fraud. And then on Sunday, Nov. 8, Sidney Powell, a lawyer representing the Trump campaign, appeared on Fox News and claimed, without evidence, that Dominion had an algorithm that switched votes from Trump to Biden.
The video Coomer watched in his hotel room represented a new development in Dominion’s troubles. It was that day’s episode of “The Conservative Daily Podcast,” a program previously unknown to Coomer, which had been posted to YouTube. “We’re going to expose someone inside of Dominion Voting Systems, specifically related to antifa, and related to someone that is so far left, and is controlling elections and his fingerprints are in every state,” said the show’s co-host, a man using the pseudonym Joe Otto. Otto — who would eventually reveal himself to be Joe Oltmann, a Colorado entrepreneur — claimed that he had found a smoking gun that proved fraud at Dominion: “We 100 percent know that the election was rigged.”
About 11 minutes in, Coomer heard Oltmann say his name. “The conversation will be about a man named Eric Coomer,” Oltmann said, spelling it out: “C-O-O-M-E-R.” Next Coomer was staring at a photo of himself up on the screen in what Oltmann called “his little outfit,” a bike uniform Coomer wore in 2016 for a six-day endurance mountain-biking race. Coomer was looking at his own half-smirk, half-smile, the face of a middle-aged man with a sparse goatee, staring into the glare in sunglasses. What other photos did Oltmann have? What other artifacts of his life, of his family — and how hard was this man looking for all of it?
Oltmann claimed that, earlier that year, he had infiltrated what he said was an antifa phone call and overheard someone — someone he claimed had been identified as Eric at Dominion — assure his supposed fellow antifa members that Trump would lose. “He responds — and I’m paraphrasing this, right? — ‘Don’t worry about the election, Trump is not going to win. I made effing sure of that,’” Oltmann said. He told his listeners that he thought little of who this Eric at Dominion might be until after the election, when a friend sent him a Facebook post about election troubles that mentioned Eric Coomer’s name. Suddenly, Oltmann said, his interest was reawakened. He started looking into Coomer, he said, and “the more information I got, the scarier it got.”