Evangelical Support for Trump Proves Religion is Tribal, not Principled

[Diogenes]

White Evangelicals were Trump's biggest voting block in 2016. We might give them a pass for that. But they again supported him in 2020 despite the proof he violated virtually every commandment and everything Jesus of Nazareth preached. Even now when he is charged with multiple felonies, including violating the espionage act and been convicted of fraud, "Christians still support him."

Does this prove Christianity, or at least white evangelical Christianity in the United States, is merely a tribal passion rather than a religion that believes in the principles and teachings of Jesus?

For eight years, Donald Trump has managed to secure the support of many evangelical and conservative Christians despite behavior that often seemed at odds with teachings espoused by Christ in the Gospels.

https://apnews.com/article/trump-evange ... b7344a0dd0

[marke]

White Evangelicals were Trump's biggest voting block in 2016. We might give them a pass for that. But they again supported him in 2020 despite the proof he violated virtually every commandment and everything Jesus of Nazareth preached. Even now when he is charged with multiple felonies, including violating the espionage act and been convicted of fraud, "Christians still support him."

Does this prove Christianity, or at least white evangelical Christianity in the United States, is merely a tribal passion rather than a religion that believes in the principles and teachings of Jesus?

For eight years, Donald Trump has managed to secure the support of many evangelical and conservative Christians despite behavior that often seemed at odds with teachings espoused by Christ in the Gospels.

https://apnews.com/article/trump-evange ... b7344a0dd0

Lying leftist liberal democrats have little respect for God, Christians, or the rule of law and they falsely accuse Trump and their political opponents of being the wicked ones. They do that because they lie, deceive, and commit crimes against the American people.

[Clownboat]

Lying leftist liberal democrats have little respect for God, Christians, or the rule of law and they falsely accuse Trump and their political opponents of being the wicked ones. They do that because they lie, deceive, and commit crimes against the American people.

I would like to reply to your debate question.
Here it goes:




I trust I addressed each and every question. If I missed anything, let me know and I'll try to address it.

[Diogenes]

Lying leftist liberal democrats have little respect for God, Christians, or the rule of law and they falsely accuse Trump and their political opponents of being the wicked ones. They do that because they lie, deceive, and commit crimes against the American people.

Google 'Trump quotes helping the poor' and tell me what you find. I'll save you the trouble. You will find nothing, Marke.

Contrast with the words of Jesus:
 For I was hungry and you gave me no food, I was thirsty and you gave me no drink,
 I was a stranger and you did not welcome me, naked and you did not clothe me, sick and in prison and you did not visit me.’
 Then they also will answer, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to you?’
 Then he will answer them, saying, ‘Truly, I say to you, as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to me.’
 And these will go away into eternal punishment
....
 For I was … sick and in prison and you did not visit me.’ ... as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to me.’  And these will go away into eternal punishment.

Contrast that with Trump wanting to deport the poor if their parents were not citizens when those children ('criminals' according to Trump) were born in the United States. If you listened to Jesus today you would call him a "Lying leftist liberal democrat." You have every right to support Trump or to be a Christian. But you cannot do both without lying to yourself.

[marke]

Lying leftist liberal democrats have little respect for God, Christians, or the rule of law and they falsely accuse Trump and their political opponents of being the wicked ones. They do that because they lie, deceive, and commit crimes against the American people.

Google 'Trump quotes helping the poor' and tell me what you find. I'll save you the trouble. You will find nothing, Marke.

Contrast with the words of Jesus:
 For I was hungry and you gave me no food, I was thirsty and you gave me no drink,
 I was a stranger and you did not welcome me, naked and you did not clothe me, sick and in prison and you did not visit me.’
 Then they also will answer, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to you?’
 Then he will answer them, saying, ‘Truly, I say to you, as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to me.’
 And these will go away into eternal punishment
....
 For I was … sick and in prison and you did not visit me.’ ... as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to me.’  And these will go away into eternal punishment.

Contrast that with Trump wanting to deport the poor if their parents were not citizens when those children ('criminals' according to Trump) were born in the United States. If you listened to Jesus today you would call him a "Lying leftist liberal democrat." You have every right to support Trump or to be a Christian. But you cannot do both without lying to yourself.

Let me list a few multimillionaires who do not share their wealth with the poor:

Bill and Hillary
Barack and Michjelle
Bernie
Chuckie Schumer
Nancy Pelosi
John Kerry
Anthony Fauci
Chris Wray
Merrick Garland

and thousands more leftists, some of whom claim to follow Jesus.

[Diogenes]

Let me list a few multimillionaires who do not share their wealth with the poor:

Bill and Hillary
Barack and Michjelle
Bernie
Chuckie Schumer
Nancy Pelosi
John Kerry
Anthony Fauci
Chris Wray
Merrick Garland

and thousands more leftists, some of whom claim to follow Jesus.

You really don't understand how debate on this forum works. As usual you do not support your claim with ANY evidentiary support; therefore, by forum rule your claim has no weight - it is a meaningless claim.

Contrast this with the FACT Trump cheats charities and was fined $2 Million for just one of his frauds against charities.

A judge Thursday ordered President Donald Trump to pay $2 million to an array of charities as a fine for misusing his own charitable foundation to further his political and business interests.

https://apnews.com/general-news-united- ... 2c414afd57

It is YOUR job to support YOUR claims. Tho' it is not my task to refute your unsupported claims, here's a start, and an example of how to debate... IF you have the facts to do so.

"Barack Obama gave away more than $1 million while he was President of the United States, more than half of which went to charities supporting children, according to a Forbes analysis of his tax returns from 2009 to 2015."
https://www.forbes.com/sites/danalexand ... oney-went/
https://www.philanthropy.com/package/ho ... to-charity
https://www.philanthropyroundtable.org/ ... residents/
https://www.obama.org/about/fundraising-overview/

"Dec 30, 2022 — Trump's failure to take any charitable deduction in 2020 suggests that he didn't donate his presidential salary that year," despite his promise to donate his salary. Instead, he used the Presidency to enrich himself, then relies on Presidential immunity to avoid prosecution.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... ributions/

[marke]

Let me list a few multimillionaires who do not share their wealth with the poor:

Bill and Hillary
Barack and Michjelle
Bernie
Chuckie Schumer
Nancy Pelosi
John Kerry
Anthony Fauci
Chris Wray
Merrick Garland

and thousands more leftists, some of whom claim to follow Jesus.

You really don't understand how debate on this forum works. As usual you do not support your claim with ANY evidentiary support; therefore, by forum rule your claim has no weight - it is a meaningless claim.

Contrast this with the FACT Trump cheats charities and was fined $2 Million for just one of his frauds against charities.

A judge Thursday ordered President Donald Trump to pay $2 million to an array of charities as a fine for misusing his own charitable foundation to further his political and business interests.

https://apnews.com/general-news-united- ... 2c414afd57

It is YOUR job to support YOUR claims. Tho' it is not my task to refute your unsupported claims, here's a start, and an example of how to debate... IF you have the facts to do so.

"Barack Obama gave away more than $1 million while he was President of the United States, more than half of which went to charities supporting children, according to a Forbes analysis of his tax returns from 2009 to 2015."
https://www.forbes.com/sites/danalexand ... oney-went/
https://www.philanthropy.com/package/ho ... to-charity
https://www.philanthropyroundtable.org/ ... residents/
https://www.obama.org/about/fundraising-overview/

"Dec 30, 2022 — Trump's failure to take any charitable deduction in 2020 suggests that he didn't donate his presidential salary that year," despite his promise to donate his salary. Instead, he used the Presidency to enrich himself, then relies on Presidential immunity to avoid prosecution.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... ributions/

I'm not denying that Trump likely gave very little of his wealth to the poor like democrats claim. However, since democrats claim Trump likely gave very little to the poor I will also suggest that the list of rich democrat politicians who gave significant portions of their wealth to the poor is also extremely short. What that means is that those using this forum to attack Trump are hypocritical for not judging democrats by the same standard.

[Diogenes]

I'm not denying that Trump likely gave very little of his wealth to the poor like democrats claim. However, since democrats claim Trump likely gave very little to the poor I will also suggest that the list of rich democrat politicians who gave significant portions of their wealth to the poor is also extremely short. What that means is that those using this forum to attack Trump are hypocritical for not judging democrats by the same standard.

Again you fail to support ANY of your claims. Mere opinions are like stinky feet, everyone's got them. YOUR task is to find SUPPORT for your claims. Since you refuse to accept or follow forum guidelines:

5. Support your assertions/arguments with evidence. Do not persist in making a claim without supporting it. All unsupported claims can be challenged for supporting evidence. Opinions require no support, but they should not be considered as valid to any argument, nor will they be considered as legitimate support for any claim.

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... don't expect further consideration of your posts.

[Athetotheist]

[Replying to Diogenes in post #1]

Evangelical Support for Trump Proves Religion is Tribal, not Principled

Correction: Evangelical support for Trump proves [if anything] that Evangelical support is tribal, not principled.

[The Barbarian]

We have a lot of prominent people who are professed Christians, but have no idea what it's really about. And while they are most prominently found among televangelists and politicians, there are plenty of them to be found in all denominations. Some denominations more than others, but none of us are free of them.


“The problem with Christianity is not that it has been tried and found wanting, but that it has been found difficult and left untried.”
― G.K. Chesterton

[The Barbarian]

I'm not denying that Trump likely gave very little of his wealth to the poor like democrats claim. However, since democrats claim Trump likely gave very little to the poor I will also suggest that the list of rich democrat politicians who gave significant portions of their wealth to the poor is also extremely short. What that means is that those using this forum to attack Trump are hypocritical for not judging democrats by the same standard.

Since democrat presidents have made their tax returns public, that should be easy to check...

While Obama did not convert his whole salary into donations, it’s false to say he donated none of it. According to a Forbes analysis of the former president’s 2009-15 tax returns, Obama donated about $1.1 million to various charities while he was president.

Most of that money went to the Fisher House Foundation, a group that supports families of veterans, to which he donated $392,000 over those eight years. Other donations went to children’s causes and causes in his hometown, Chicago, Forbes reported.

On top of the $1.1 million, Obama donated all of the $1.4 million he received after winning the Nobel Peace Prize in 2009.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/fac ... 740519002/

Even better...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... story.html