Have you seen God’s glory?

[Bobcat]

Jesus said to believe so you will see God’s glory. Now many believe it is after you die but no, a misunderstanding.

If you have not seen the glory of God then what you think is believing is not really believing.

John 11:40 NRS

40 Jesus said to her, "Did I not tell you that if you believed, you would see the glory of God?"

So, do you believe?

Have you seen God’s glory?

[onewithhim]

I am doing the works that Jesus did. I participate in going door to door with the message of the Kingdom

I have not seen Jehovah's Witnesses going 'door to door' for a decade. Only standing on street corners in high streets with placards like the 18th century messengers of doom for mankind.
And offering their magazines.

We haven't used placards in many years. We have been going door to door for over a hundred years, only stopping for awhile because of the pandemic. We kept on writing letters and making phone calls, and we have started up the cart work again. Your experience is unusual. And our message isn't one of doom. We present to people good news about God's Kingdom soon to come that will make the earth a paradise once again, as was the Garden of Eden.

[onewithhim]

I am doing the works that Jesus did. I participate in going door to door with the message of the Kingdom

I have not seen Jehovah's Witnesses going 'door to door' for a decade. Only standing on street corners in high streets with placards like the 18th century messengers of doom for mankind.
And offering their magazines.

And did you notice here that they, themselves, don't know what the Bible really teaches? Kind of telling, don't you think?

............

.

Oh that's really funny. Ha ha.

[onewithhim]

[Replying to Bobcat in post #1]

Jesus was referring to what God would accomplish, through him. When we believe, we see with our understanding eyes all that Jesus has done for the glory of his Father. (John 8:50,54; Phil.2:11)

No. You fail to believe because you think like man not like God.

Since you do not believe you cannot see.

“He who believes in me shall do the works I do…”

Do the works and believe.

I am doing the works that Jesus did. I participate in going door to door with the message of the Kingdom (Matthew 24:14) just as he did. No one else does this....no other religion. You can say Mormons, but they do not do it consistently nor do they speak about God's Kingdom (as Jesus did....e.g. the Our Father prayer). Now, how do you think that I am thinking like man?

Your preaching the wrong kingdom.

You think like man because of your response about God’s glory.

“Whoever seeks the glory of the One who sent him is truthful and there is no unrighteousness in him.”

Please explain how we are preaching the wrong kingdom.

[Bobcat]

[Replying to Bobcat in post #1]

Jesus was referring to what God would accomplish, through him. When we believe, we see with our understanding eyes all that Jesus has done for the glory of his Father. (John 8:50,54; Phil.2:11)

No. You fail to believe because you think like man not like God.

Since you do not believe you cannot see.

“He who believes in me shall do the works I do…”

Do the works and believe.

I am doing the works that Jesus did. I participate in going door to door with the message of the Kingdom (Matthew 24:14) just as he did. No one else does this....no other religion. You can say Mormons, but they do not do it consistently nor do they speak about God's Kingdom (as Jesus did....e.g. the Our Father prayer). Now, how do you think that I am thinking like man?

Your preaching the wrong kingdom.

You think like man because of your response about God’s glory.

“Whoever seeks the glory of the One who sent him is truthful and there is no unrighteousness in him.”

Please explain how we are preaching the wrong kingdom.

Putting the emphasis on God’s name being Jehovah is part of the problem. That leads to other problems of understanding.

Jesus sent His followers as He was sent with His signature phrases and with all of God’s word from the prophets before Him.

Anyone who drinks the water I give him shall never become thirsty. The water I give him shall be like a fountain inside him rising up to provide eternal life.

[Ross]

Your experience is unusual.

I do not understand what you mean. Are you able to explain?

And our message isn't one of doom.

I only meant that standing on street corners with (whatever you call them) reminded me of those messengers of doom.

[Miles]

I am doing the works that Jesus did. I participate in going door to door with the message of the Kingdom

I have not seen Jehovah's Witnesses going 'door to door' for a decade. Only standing on street corners in high streets with placards like the 18th century messengers of doom for mankind.
And offering their magazines.

And did you notice here that they, themselves, don't know what the Bible really teaches? Kind of telling, don't you think?

............

.

Oh that's really funny. Ha ha.

You laugh at ignorance? Even I, an atheist, am more understanding of struggling believers than that.

[onewithhim]

I am doing the works that Jesus did. I participate in going door to door with the message of the Kingdom

I have not seen Jehovah's Witnesses going 'door to door' for a decade. Only standing on street corners in high streets with placards like the 18th century messengers of doom for mankind.
And offering their magazines.

And did you notice here that they, themselves, don't know what the Bible really teaches? Kind of telling, don't you think?

............

.

Oh that's really funny. Ha ha.

You laugh at ignorance? Even I, an atheist, am more understanding of struggling believers than that.

What ignorance? That brother there with the literature cart is absolutely convinced that Jehovah is God Almighty and Jesus is His Son, that Jesus is guiding his congregation/church now in preparation for the end of this evil system of things, and he will soon rule the world in the place of all other governments. He talked about the Kingdom more than any other subject, and that means God's own government. (Daniel 2:44; Isaiah 9:6,7; Matthew 6:9,10) How can you call a brother "ignorant"? He's more sure of his beliefs than anybody out there in the churches. All JWs prove the Truth to themselves after thorough study of the Bible.

[Miles]

I am doing the works that Jesus did. I participate in going door to door with the message of the Kingdom

I have not seen Jehovah's Witnesses going 'door to door' for a decade. Only standing on street corners in high streets with placards like the 18th century messengers of doom for mankind.
And offering their magazines.

And did you notice here that they, themselves, don't know what the Bible really teaches? Kind of telling, don't you think?

............

.

Oh that's really funny. Ha ha.

You laugh at ignorance? Even I, an atheist, am more understanding of struggling believers than that.

What ignorance? That brother there with the literature cart is absolutely convinced that Jehovah is God Almighty and Jesus is His Son, that Jesus is guiding his congregation/church now in preparation for the end of this evil system of things, and he will soon rule the world in the place of all other governments.

And your evidence is . . . . . . . . . . ? I see nothing in the picture to conclude that the "brother there with the literature cart is absolutely convinced that Jehovah is God Almighty and Jesus is His Son." It might be a possible, even a good possibility, but I see no certainty. In fact, for all we know he could be a paid agnostic shill, hawking god and Jesus on his lunch hour for a few bob.

He talked about the Kingdom more than any other subject, and that means God's own government. (Daniel 2:44; Isaiah 9:6,7; Matthew 6:9,10)

If the "he" you're talking about is the guy in the picture, how do you know any of this? You don't. You're simply projecting. If it isn't the guy in the picture then I fail to see the relevance.

How can you call a brother "ignorant"?

Because he's holding a sign advertising it. Not knowing something, in this case, what the Bible really teaches, is an example of ignorance.

He's more sure of his beliefs than anybody out there in the churches. All JWs prove the Truth to themselves after thorough study of the Bible.

PERHAPS, but as I've pointed out this isn't something you actually know about him, but simply what you think about him, and as we all know thoughts can be deceiving if not outright wrong. Gotta say, your confidence here is coming across more like arrogance.

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[onewithhim]

[Replying to Bobcat in post #1]

Jesus was referring to what God would accomplish, through him. When we believe, we see with our understanding eyes all that Jesus has done for the glory of his Father. (John 8:50,54; Phil.2:11)

No. You fail to believe because you think like man not like God.

Since you do not believe you cannot see.

“He who believes in me shall do the works I do…”

Do the works and believe.

I am doing the works that Jesus did. I participate in going door to door with the message of the Kingdom (Matthew 24:14) just as he did. No one else does this....no other religion. You can say Mormons, but they do not do it consistently nor do they speak about God's Kingdom (as Jesus did....e.g. the Our Father prayer). Now, how do you think that I am thinking like man?

Your preaching the wrong kingdom.

You think like man because of your response about God’s glory.

“Whoever seeks the glory of the One who sent him is truthful and there is no unrighteousness in him.”

Please explain how we are preaching the wrong kingdom.

Putting the emphasis on God’s name being Jehovah is part of the problem. That leads to other problems of understanding.

We have said over and over again that there are MANY pronunciations of God's name, depending on the language one speaks. If someone just pronounces the Tetragrammaton, YHWH, that would be fine. To acknowledge God's name is most important. Do you have a problem with calling Christ "Jesus"? That is not the way he was called in the Hebrew or Greek languages. If you don't want to call God "Jehovah," then don't be hypocritical and use "Jesus" as the name of the Son of God.