The name YHWH or Jehovah belongs in the New Testament

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The name YHWH or Jehovah belongs in the New Testament

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The Jehovah's Witnesses have their own translation of the Bible, The New World translation, which has been used in their proselytising and study almost exclusively since it was produced in the 1950's.
The Christian Greek Scriptures (NT) were translated first in secrecy by a translation committee appointed by their then President Nathan Homer Knorr and Vice President and chief theologian Frederick William Franz, without the knowledge of their Governing Body around 1950. The NT completed work was presented one morning to the remainder of the organizational staff at Bethel Headquarters in New York.
The name 'Jehovah' was inserted into the Christian Greek Scriptures by the committee 237 times, even though there is not a single extant Greek manuscript in existence containing 'Jehovah' or the Hebrew YHWH. Is there good and just reason to put it there, or is this a case of inserting spurious text?
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My posts do not depend on yours as long as I talk about the topic on your thread. I won't post just for you. Sorry if that bothers you, but we are giving information to the world, whoever read this thread, so you must be ready for what you'll say or answer to defend your point of view or reject others'. The world is watching ... and God and Jesus too. ;)
When proselytising in their 'field work' (if that still takes place) I have observed the Jehovah's Witness demand control of the conversation, bombarding the individual with continuous pre-prepared dialogue, sentence after sentence and for many minutes, not allowing any response or proper conversation. If this is how you wish to conduct yourself, then that is up to you, and for others to reach their conclusions about.

I covered virtually every point you raised individually in your long introduction, and you failed to stay on subject. That is not healthy or honest debate.

Not one single Greek NT manuscript contains 'Jehovah' or YHWH. So any insertion of the same into a NT Bible is unfaithful translation and dishonest.

Rev 22:18
"I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this scroll: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to that person the plagues described in this scroll."
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Eloi wrote: Sat Feb 11, 2023 1:44 pm ask yourself why Jesus is used in the NT you "approve" if Jesus is not the original name of the Son of God.
You may answer the question yourself after that.
The name Jesus is fine. So is Jehovah if that is how you wish to pronounce the tetragrammaton. I personally would use Yah'wey. It doesn't matter, other than the fact that Jehovah's Witnesses have adopted the name 'Jehovah' and specifically promoted in their literature and dialogue that this is limited to the Father in the NT.

There is no word or name 'Jehovah' or 'YHWH' presented in the NT Bible unless you spuriously insert it. This is tantamount to injecting 1 John 5:7 all over the entire Greek scriptures. It is an insertion of pre-conceived doctrine.

By accepting your New World Translation of the Bible, you are placing your leaders above Gods Word. You did, did you not, say the translators were inspired by God?
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Eloi wrote: Mon Feb 13, 2023 7:56 am Ross , we don't need your permission to use the name of God. We don't need your approval to know that what we do pleases Jehovah. We don't mind your judgementalism ... you are not our judge.
No problem Eloi. I hope neither you nor the other members of your faith have taken my comments as a personal attack. This is a Bible debate forum. And as for what we believe and hold true; it is up to all of us to decide personally what is right and wrong, and what holds up to scrutiny. Respectful scrutiny is the purpose of forums such as this.
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Eloi wrote: Mon Feb 13, 2023 7:56 am Thanks for your interest in us. To meet us better go to a Kingdom Hall and take a Bible study with a Jehovah's Witness in the time you choose.
I have met Witnesses before, been to a Kingdom Hall and taken a Bible study with a Jehovah's Witness.
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Eloi wrote: Mon Feb 13, 2023 4:17 pmWhat do you think? Did Jesus mention the name of Jehovah on his responses to Satan's temptations?
If the Bible is authoritative and the conversations as recorded reflect historical reality, then no, because Jesus isn't recorded as mentioning the name of Jehovah.

If the Bible's not authoritative and doesn't necessarily reflect historical reality, then no for at least two reasons: Satan doesn't exist, so the conversation didn't happen and Jesus, if he existed, was a Jewish man living during an era when saying the name of Yahweh was considered to put one in danger of blasphemy.
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Eloi wrote: Mon Feb 13, 2023 4:17 pm
I didn't ask you what the manuscripts we got say, because I know that. Since we do not have the autograph of the original written documents ... I asked you:

What do you think? Did Jesus mention the name of Jehovah on his responses to Satan's temptations?
Not according to God's written Word Sir. So NO
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