Of course not, otherwise it wouldn't BE Christianity!
It's CHURCHianity (Mainstream Churches) that doesn't!
Consider~
Jesus said his father is the ONLY true God- Churchianity adds him and an imaginary, nameless Ghost.
Jesus said we should be no part of the world, and to seek first GOD'S kingdom: Churchianity has its people kill each other in wars, vote, and run for political office.
Jesus said the meek would inherit the Earth; Churchianity- the Earth will be destroyed, and they go to heaven.
Jesus COMMANDED his followers to preach the Good News; Clergy are paid to do that in Churchianity.
Jesus foretold a Day when the dead will be resurrected & judged; Churchianity says that happens when your BODY dies- YOU never die, since we are 'IMMORTAL souls' housed in these bodies...
Jesus said we must honor God's Name; Churchianity HIDES it, pretending its lost, often claiming its the name "Jesus".
And there's so much more: I've yet to find one thing they teach that's true- except that the Bible is God's Word- which is belied by the fact
they really don't BELIEVE it!
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Post #21_________________________________________________bjs1 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 14, 2021 9:02 pmThis brings us back to the question that I have asked in every one of my posts in this thread and which you have yet to address.theQuestion wrote: ↑Thu Jan 14, 2021 6:51 pm I am here to talk to the sincere: NOTHING in that post is true.
You seem to be claiming that your small sect are the only people who believe what Jesus said. There are billions of Christians in the world who all say that they believe what Jesus said, yet your tiny group says that everyone else is wrong and that your tiny group are the only ones who really understand.
Doesn’t that worry you?
If such a massive majority of honest and intelligent people disagreed with me then I would be searching the scriptures to understand what they saw that I didn’t. In such a circumstance the most likely explanation would by that I was mistaken and I would be desperate to understand how.
Well, my friend, its a simple fact that NO OTHER GROUP I know of honor's God's Name ( https://religionnews.com/2018/01/25/the ... nuscripts/ ) - even the few that deny the Catholic Trinity.
It doesn't mean we are better than anyone else; it just means we are more HONEST about God's Word, and that we TRY OUR BEST to obey the Command of our King....
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Post #22And the VAST Majority of people claiming they "accept Jesus" don't.
They accept church dogma instead.
They accept church dogma instead.
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Post #23I don't know about 'vast majority' as I don't see a legitimate way to measure it, but surely there are many that do as you say. It's easier to be told what to do than to think about it and apply another person's example in to our lives.theQuestion wrote: ↑Fri Jan 15, 2021 1:29 pm And the VAST Majority of people claiming they "accept Jesus" don't.
They accept church dogma instead.
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Post #24Well, I can give many examples.
I used to be a fanatical Trinitratian, and HATED to discover it was fallacy.
But Jesus' words, such as what he said in prayer, dragged me out of it: "You, the ONLY true God!"- John 17:3
If one REALLY accepts Jesus, they will NEVER add him and a Nameless Ghost to an imaginary 'Godhead'....
I used to be a fanatical Trinitratian, and HATED to discover it was fallacy.
But Jesus' words, such as what he said in prayer, dragged me out of it: "You, the ONLY true God!"- John 17:3
If one REALLY accepts Jesus, they will NEVER add him and a Nameless Ghost to an imaginary 'Godhead'....
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Post #25Perhaps you can, but you only gave one. That's not much support for a claim which includes the phrase, "the VAST Majority."
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Post #26Doesn't that one example include a 'vast majority'? Let's not forget the different flavors (?) of the trinity. Rarely do I find those that believe in the trinity believe in the same trinity. Some of oddest arguments I have seen are trinatarians arguing over what the exact definition of the trinity is when questioned about details.
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Post #27TCG- that is the ULTIMATE example; since they deny Jesus' God- they deny Jesus!
But, another example: He said he was laying down and surrendering his very LIFE, and would be resurrected on the 3rd day.
THEY believe he NEVER died ("it was just his body"), that he was ALIVE those 3 days- then just floated BACK into the body...
Their claim means Jesus died for NO ONE!
But, another example: He said he was laying down and surrendering his very LIFE, and would be resurrected on the 3rd day.
THEY believe he NEVER died ("it was just his body"), that he was ALIVE those 3 days- then just floated BACK into the body...
Their claim means Jesus died for NO ONE!
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Post #28Peace to you the Question (and to you all),
Does any religion teach its adherents to believe (and obey) the Christ?
“Very truly I tell you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. 54 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day. 55 For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink. 56 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in them.
"But here is the bread that comes down from heaven, which anyone may eat and not die."
Christ also said to His apostles, concerning the bread and the wine:
“Take and eat; this is My body.” Then He took the cup, gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, “Drink from it, all of you. This is My blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins.
Then again to His apostles after His death and resurrection:
Therefore go and make disciples of all nations... and teaching them to obey all that I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, even to the end of the age.”
See also Luke 9:35, John 14:15, John 14: 21 (for who we are to listen to, and whose commands we are to keep).
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And as you have noted,
"But a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and in truth, for the Father is seeking such as these to worship Him. God is Spirit, and His worshipers must worship Him in spirit and in truth." John 4:22, 23
In spirit and in truth. Not in Jerusalem (as the Jews did) or on this mountain (upon which the Samaritans worshiped). In spirit and in Truth. In - and through - Christ. ("I am the Way the Truth, and the Life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.) Christ speaks only truth, and He is the ONLY One who has promised - and who can - lead us into ALL truth. Not a religion. Just Christ.
"If anyone is thirsty, let him come to Me and drink."
"Come to Me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest.Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me; for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls."
May anyone who wishes them be given ears to hear, that you may hear the Spirit (Christ) and the Bride say to you, "Come! Take the free gift of the water of Life!"
Peace again to you, and to your household,
your servant and a slave of Christ,
tammy
theQuestion wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 11:38 am Of course not, otherwise it wouldn't BE Christianity!
It's CHURCHianity (Mainstream Churches) that doesn't!
Consider~
Jesus said his father is the ONLY true God- Churchianity adds him and an imaginary, nameless Ghost.
Jesus said we should be no part of the world, and to seek first GOD'S kingdom: Churchianity has its people kill each other in wars, vote, and run for political office.
Jesus said the meek would inherit the Earth; Churchianity- the Earth will be destroyed, and they go to heaven.
Jesus COMMANDED his followers to preach the Good News; Clergy are paid to do that in Churchianity.
Jesus foretold a Day when the dead will be resurrected & judged; Churchianity says that happens when your BODY dies- YOU never die, since we are 'IMMORTAL souls' housed in these bodies...
Jesus said we must honor God's Name; Churchianity HIDES it, pretending its lost, often claiming its the name "Jesus".
And there's so much more: I've yet to find one thing they teach that's true- except that the Bible is God's Word- which is belied by the fact
they really don't BELIEVE it!
Does any religion teach its adherents to believe (and obey) the Christ?
“Very truly I tell you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. 54 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day. 55 For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink. 56 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in them.
"But here is the bread that comes down from heaven, which anyone may eat and not die."
Christ also said to His apostles, concerning the bread and the wine:
“Take and eat; this is My body.” Then He took the cup, gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, “Drink from it, all of you. This is My blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins.
Then again to His apostles after His death and resurrection:
Therefore go and make disciples of all nations... and teaching them to obey all that I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, even to the end of the age.”
See also Luke 9:35, John 14:15, John 14: 21 (for who we are to listen to, and whose commands we are to keep).
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And as you have noted,
"But a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and in truth, for the Father is seeking such as these to worship Him. God is Spirit, and His worshipers must worship Him in spirit and in truth." John 4:22, 23
In spirit and in truth. Not in Jerusalem (as the Jews did) or on this mountain (upon which the Samaritans worshiped). In spirit and in Truth. In - and through - Christ. ("I am the Way the Truth, and the Life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.) Christ speaks only truth, and He is the ONLY One who has promised - and who can - lead us into ALL truth. Not a religion. Just Christ.
"If anyone is thirsty, let him come to Me and drink."
"Come to Me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest.Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me; for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls."
May anyone who wishes them be given ears to hear, that you may hear the Spirit (Christ) and the Bride say to you, "Come! Take the free gift of the water of Life!"
Peace again to you, and to your household,
your servant and a slave of Christ,
tammy
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Post #29Of course not. His only example was of himself. That adds up to one. A far cry from "the VAST Majority."2timothy316 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 15, 2021 1:48 pmDoesn't that one example include a 'vast majority'?
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Post #30[Replying to Tcg in post #30]
Yes, there is, Tammy.
But I am not trying to promote it- but to promote what the Bible Reallys says, as in your example.
Yes, there is, Tammy.
But I am not trying to promote it- but to promote what the Bible Reallys says, as in your example.
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