Why did peter

[WPG12]

In the book of John, peter decides to go fishing. The other disciples decide to go with him. When one disciple realizes it is Jesus on the shore, peter puts his clothes on and jumps out of the boat. He abandoned the work he started and left others to finish the work he started. Not caring that the others wanted to see him just as bad as peter did. Peter was always impetious and selfish.

When the others finally got the nets to the shore, Jesus asked them to bring their catch to him, peter ran and took of the catch he abandoned to bring to them. Always taking credit for what he didn't do.

Jesus, knowing peter would be sent to that "other flock", the gentiles he was told to go to, and knowing peter would jump out of that boat, also. Admonishes him asking peter if peter loves him and telling peter to feed the sheep. The gentiles peter would be sent to would become, the "body of Christ" that peter was sent to, to do the work in feeding the flock. Peter always cared about what men thought of him, and always being disobedient, jumped out of that boat when "those who came from james" caused him to fall away.

How can it be said that Jesus was restoring peter to a position he never really had in the first place, and not admonishing Peter's selfishness and disobedience, warning him not to do what he had just done in abandoning his brothers and the work he started? Whole theologies are built on this story, and the idea that Jesus was putting peter in a place peter should never have been put.

If Jesus was rewarding Peter's selfish, impetious, disobedience then it cannot be said that Jesus was a just man.

[WPG12]

Peter was always disobedient, yet we are told he was put in a position of authority over men.

But he that denieth me before men shall be denied before the angels of God.
Luke 12:9 KJV

We know peter denied him, three times

And then if any man shall say to you, Lo, here is Christ; or, lo, he is there; believe him not:
Mark 13:21 KJV

When that disciple told peter it was Christ on the shore, peter put his clothes on and cast himself into the sea. Again in disobedience.

Remember Lot's wife. Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it; and whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it.
Luke 17:32‭-‬33 KJV

Peter, seeking to save his own life left the prison, with no concern for those guards who would be killed.

So when they had dined, Jesus saith to Simon Peter, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me more than these? He saith unto him, Yea, Lord; thou knowest that I love thee. He saith unto him, Feed my lambs.
John 21:15 KJV
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And Jesus said unto him, No man, having put his hand to the plough, and looking back, is fit for the kingdom of God.
Luke 9:62 KJV

When peter was sent to those lambs, the gentlies who were to be brought into the fold, he turned away as Paul rubuked him in galations 2, he turned away from that plow he put his hand to.

Three times in the book of John, Jesus asked peter, do you love me? Peter answered yes, I love you, but his disobedience in the things Jesus commanded shows different.

If ye love me, keep my commandments. And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
John 14:15‭-‬16 KJV

He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
John 14:21 KJV

In justifying peter for all of his disobedience, we have to dismiss Jesus in the things he said as not being true. Making Jesus into a liar by making excuses for peter.

[polonius]

Acts of the Apostles tells us that when he left the Jerusalem, Peter "went to another place." Any idea where?

As the stand in for Shebna, the steward in charge of the royal household, with the keys of the house of David, he was "cast into a vast country"/Roman Empire, "there you shall die" (Isaiah 22:15-22). All for the simple reason that he had shamed your master's house (Isaiah 22:18).

QUESTION: What does this have to do with St. Peter?

[WPG12]

[Replying to post 22 by polonius.advice]

And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
Matthew 16:19 KJV

And the key of the house of David will I lay upon his shoulder; so he shall open, and none shall shut; and he shall shut, and none shall open.
Isaiah 22:22 KJV

A lot actually

[polonius]

[Replying to post 22 by polonius.advice]

And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
Matthew 16:19 KJV

And the key of the house of David will I lay upon his shoulder; so he shall open, and none shall shut; and he shall shut, and none shall open.
Isaiah 22:22 KJV

A lot actually

RESPONSE: Not if you read the interpolation added to Matthew (c. 80 AD) of Mark (70 AD).


Written about 70 AD Mark 8 "27 Now Jesus and his disciples set out for the villages of Caesarea Philippi.h Along the way he asked his disciples, “Who do people say that I am?�28They said in reply, “John the Baptist, others Elijah, still others one of the prophets.�29And he asked them, “But who do you say that I am?� Peter said to him in reply, “You are the Messiah.�30Then he warned them not to tell anyone about him."

From the New American Bible Revised Edition
Footnote: * [16:13–20] The Marcan confession of Jesus as Messiah, made by Peter as spokesman for the other disciples (Mk 8:27–29; cf. also Lk 9:18–20), is modified significantly here.

Written about 80 AD Matthew 16 " When Jesus went into the region of Caesarea Philippi* he asked his disciples, “Who do people say that the Son of Man is?�14i They replied, “Some say John the Baptist,* others Elijah, still others Jeremiah or one of the prophets.�15He said to them, “But who do you say that I am?�16* j Simon Peter said in reply, “You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God.�17Jesus said to him in reply, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah. For flesh and blood* has not revealed this to you, but my heavenly Father.18k And so I say to you, you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church,*and the gates of the netherworld shall not prevail against it.19l I will give you the keys to the kingdom of heaven.* Whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven; and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.�20* m Then he strictly ordered his disciples to tell no one that he was the Messiah."

Here we have some later interpolator adding to Mark’s Gospel to account for a new "Church."

But he made three errors. First all. Andrew, not “my heavenly father� revealed to Peter that Jesus was the Messiah, and Simon had his name changed to Peter before he even became an apostle. And the word word "Church" didn't come into the language until Middle English. And Matthew quotes Jesus as say he did not come to change the Law .Douay-Rheims Bible
"Do not think that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets. I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill."

1 John 40-42 Andrew, the brother of Simon Peter, was one of the two who heard John and followed Jesus. 41He first found his own brother Simon and told him, “We have found the Messiah� (which is translated Anointed). 42 Then he brought him to Jesus. Jesus looked at him and said, “You are Simon the son of John; you will be called Cephas� (which is translated Peter).

It seems that a fundamentalist approach tends to lack completeness.

[showme]

Acts of the Apostles tells us that when he left the Jerusalem, Peter "went to another place." Any idea where?

As the stand in for Shebna, the steward in charge of the royal household, with the keys of the house of David, he was "cast into a vast country"/Roman Empire, "there you shall die" (Isaiah 22:15-22). All for the simple reason that he had shamed your master's house (Isaiah 22:18).

QUESTION: What does this have to do with St. Peter?

As Yeshua came to fulfill Scripture (Matthew 5:17), and the Scripture that Peter and his heir, the pope, fulfiled with respect to being given the keys of the kingdom, such as the keys to the house of David, who when he opens, no one can shut, and making him a resting place in the "rock" is set forth in Isaiah 22:15-25.

Another example of the fulfillment of Scripture is the fulfillment of Zechariah 11:11-13, in which that Scripture is quoted in Matthew 27:2-10, whereas it is with respect to Judas Iscariot (Matthew 27:3). Per Zechariah 11:17, the "worthless shepherd", who would not feed, care of tned the sheep, would be with respect to Peter.

[WPG12]

[Replying to post 24 by polonius.advice]

No doubt, Andrew went and told peter about Jesus.

But isn't that the key given to peter, right there in front of all?

And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Bar–jona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.
Matthew 16:17 KJV

That God reveals himself to men?

He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
John 14:21 KJV


Peter started out very strong in acts.

But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel; And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams: And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy: And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke:
Acts 2:16‭-‬19 KJV


But then, after he turned from that plow. His messaged changed.
When the message changes, it's usually because there is a change of heart.
Peter began pointing to men as who you needed to turn to, instead of God.

We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts: Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.
2 Peter 1:19‭-‬21 KJV

Peter shut the door on the Spirit being poured out to all men, and opened the door that only certain people could give understanding, and could give that Spirit to men.

Peter betrayed that Spirit,

[showme]

[Replying to post 22 by polonius.advice]

And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
Matthew 16:19 KJV

And the key of the house of David will I lay upon his shoulder; so he shall open, and none shall shut; and he shall shut, and none shall open.
Isaiah 22:22 KJV

A lot actually

RESPONSE: Not if you read the interpolation added to Matthew (c. 80 AD) of Mark (70 AD).


Written about 70 AD Mark 8 "27 Now Jesus and his disciples set out for the villages of Caesarea Philippi.h Along the way he asked his disciples, “Who do people say that I am?�28They said in reply, “John the Baptist, others Elijah, still others one of the prophets.�29And he asked them, “But who do you say that I am?� Peter said to him in reply, “You are the Messiah.�30Then he warned them not to tell anyone about him."

From the New American Bible Revised Edition
Footnote: * [16:13–20] The Marcan confession of Jesus as Messiah, made by Peter as spokesman for the other disciples (Mk 8:27–29; cf. also Lk 9:18–20), is modified significantly here.

Written about 80 AD Matthew 16 " When Jesus went into the region of Caesarea Philippi* he asked his disciples, “Who do people say that the Son of Man is?�14i They replied, “Some say John the Baptist,* others Elijah, still others Jeremiah or one of the prophets.�15He said to them, “But who do you say that I am?�16* j Simon Peter said in reply, “You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God.�17Jesus said to him in reply, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah. For flesh and blood* has not revealed this to you, but my heavenly Father.18k And so I say to you, you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church,*and the gates of the netherworld shall not prevail against it.19l I will give you the keys to the kingdom of heaven.* Whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven; and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.�20* m Then he strictly ordered his disciples to tell no one that he was the Messiah."

Here we have some later interpolator adding to Mark’s Gospel to account for a new "Church."

But he made three errors. First all. Andrew, not “my heavenly father� revealed to Peter that Jesus was the Messiah, and Simon had his name changed to Peter before he even became an apostle. And the word word "Church" didn't come into the language until Middle English. And Matthew quotes Jesus as say he did not come to change the Law .Douay-Rheims Bible
"Do not think that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets. I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill."

1 John 40-42 Andrew, the brother of Simon Peter, was one of the two who heard John and followed Jesus. 41He first found his own brother Simon and told him, “We have found the Messiah� (which is translated Anointed). 42 Then he brought him to Jesus. Jesus looked at him and said, “You are Simon the son of John; you will be called Cephas� (which is translated Peter).

It seems that a fundamentalist approach tends to lack completeness.

According to the unknown author of Luke 1:1-3, he witnessed nothing. And who is Mark? I have heard of the 12 apostles, but who is this Mark guy? Did the unholy church fathers say you should listen to him? Well, Jeremiah 16:19 says that the Gentiles will learn in the day of distress, that "our fathers have inherited nothing but falsehood". According to Yeshua per Matthew 7:24-27, building one's house on anything other than heeding the testimony of Yeshua is as building one's house on sand. The testimony of Yeshua, the Spirit of Revelation (Revelation 19:10), is the rock the tabernacle of the Spirit of God is built on, not the "worthless shepherd" of Zechariah 11:16-17, who was Peter.

[marco]

If Jesus was rewarding Peter's selfish, impetious, disobedience then it cannot be said that Jesus was a just man.

Or perhaps your character sketch of Peter as impetuous is wrong. In any event the stone that the builders reject might become the corner stone, with proper handling. Christ seems to have built his team not from the Aristotles and Einsteins of the world, but from humble fisherfolk. The parable of the Prodigal Son illustrates forgiveness, and rewards for changing one's character.

It is hardly surprising that Christ could take imperfect material, call it a rock, and on it build his belief system. That makes the story - and Christ - all the more remarkable.

The impetuous - but subservient - character Peter is well illustrated in:

"Jesus replied, “You do not realize now what I am doing, but later you will understand.� “Never shall You wash my feet!� Peter told Him. Jesus answered, “Unless I wash you, you have no part with Me.� “Then, Lord,� Simon Peter replied, “not only my feet, but my hands and my head as well!�

[WPG12]

[Replying to marco]

Peter did come to understand, but then because he feared men he stepped off of that path, and got his feet dirty. Once Paul saw Petter was off track, he had to cut him off.

[marco]

[Replying to marco]

Peter did come to understand, but then because he feared men he stepped off of that path, and got his feet dirty. Once Paul saw Peter was off track, he had to cut him off.

It is odd that Jesus saw hope and promise in Peter, but Paul didn't. The picture we have is of Paul being the intellectual, and knowing it, and Peter being a simpleton, but the chosen vessel. We can ally ourselves with Paul if we wish but I think the nicer story is of Jesus raising greatness from humility in Peter; of preaching that those rich in material wealth or intellectuality find the gate to heaven too narrow.

Peter, frightened, confused but moulded into an instrument of truth by Christ, is an example of Christ exalting the humble. Paul never saw Jesus; Peter was chosen, and lived with him. And if we have to judge people on past iniquities, Paul's crimes were darker than Peter's.

You are being over harsh.