Some consider Jesus to be the Creator. This seems to an extreme example of Jesus worship, and goes against even conventional Trinitarian doctrine, which holds that the Father is Creator, the Son is Redeemer, and the Holy Spirit is the Sanctifier.
For debate,
1) When you see a beautiful sunset, a mountain or ocean scene, do you stop with awe and wonderment, and tell yourself "Wow, a first-century Palestinian Jew created all this"?
2) Even in the Gospels, is there any recorded instance where Jesus created anything "ex nihilo"? Out of nothing?
3) Does Paul call Jesus "Creator" or come close to calling Jesus "Creator"? If so, where does he get this notion?
Jesus as Creator?
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Elijah John
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Jesus as Creator?
Post #1 My theological positions:
-God created us in His image, not the other way around.
-The Bible is redeemed by it's good parts.
-Pure monotheism, simple repentance.
-YHVH is LORD
-The real Jesus is not God, the real YHVH is not a monster.
-Eternal life is a gift from the Living God.
-Keep the Commandments, keep your salvation.
-I have accepted YHVH as my Heavenly Father, LORD and Savior.
I am inspired by Jesus to worship none but YHVH, and to serve only Him.
-God created us in His image, not the other way around.
-The Bible is redeemed by it's good parts.
-Pure monotheism, simple repentance.
-YHVH is LORD
-The real Jesus is not God, the real YHVH is not a monster.
-Eternal life is a gift from the Living God.
-Keep the Commandments, keep your salvation.
-I have accepted YHVH as my Heavenly Father, LORD and Savior.
I am inspired by Jesus to worship none but YHVH, and to serve only Him.
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Post #21
Peace to you CHeckpoint,
Christ is calling out even to all mankind (Rev 3:20; 22:17; Matthew 11:28). He is at the gate, calling His sheep, leading them into the city (John 10:3). This is the city of "New Jerusalem" (the Bride), into which Christ brings His sheep, who listen to His VOICE (because He CALLS THEM).
Proverbs 8 also states that by Wisdom, kings reign. Just as Christ makes kings and priests to reign with Him in His Kingdom. (Revelation 5:10, 3:21; 20:6). He refines them; teaches them (so that they heed His instruction); makes them wealthy (in holy spirit and with other fruit and gifts of the spirit).
And of course there is the last part of Proverbs:
"And those who find me, find life."
But is it not when we find Christ that we find life?
"I am the resurrection and the Life."
"I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life."
"You diligently search the scriptures because you think that by them you have eternal life. These are the scriptures that testify about me, yet you refuse to come to ME to have life."
"I have come that they may have life, and have it in all its fullness."
Just sharing some things for your consideration. You (me, anyone, everyone) should of course bring every matter to Christ and ask HIM for the truth and understanding that HE teaches.
Peace again to you, and to your household,
your servant and a slave of Christ,
tammy
Still about Christ. He is simply being referred to here in the feminine. Male or female, it does not matter. Take a closer look at what is written about Wisdom instead (who calls out at the gate and who leads people into the city, and who speaks truth, and who makes people kings, and wealthy, etc).Proverbs 8 personifies wisdom, calling it "she" and "her".Checkpoint wrote: [Replying to post 5 by tam]
[quoteThen I was beside Him, as a master workman; And I was daily His delight, Rejoicing always before Him, Proverbs 8:30
("I" being Wisdom, who is Christ; and "Him" being JAH)
It is not about "Christ".
Christ is calling out even to all mankind (Rev 3:20; 22:17; Matthew 11:28). He is at the gate, calling His sheep, leading them into the city (John 10:3). This is the city of "New Jerusalem" (the Bride), into which Christ brings His sheep, who listen to His VOICE (because He CALLS THEM).
Proverbs 8 also states that by Wisdom, kings reign. Just as Christ makes kings and priests to reign with Him in His Kingdom. (Revelation 5:10, 3:21; 20:6). He refines them; teaches them (so that they heed His instruction); makes them wealthy (in holy spirit and with other fruit and gifts of the spirit).
And of course there is the last part of Proverbs:
"And those who find me, find life."
But is it not when we find Christ that we find life?
"I am the resurrection and the Life."
"I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life."
"You diligently search the scriptures because you think that by them you have eternal life. These are the scriptures that testify about me, yet you refuse to come to ME to have life."
"I have come that they may have life, and have it in all its fullness."
Just sharing some things for your consideration. You (me, anyone, everyone) should of course bring every matter to Christ and ask HIM for the truth and understanding that HE teaches.
Peace again to you, and to your household,
your servant and a slave of Christ,
tammy
