Who Did Jesus Pray to?

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Who Did Jesus Pray to?

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Question for Christians - Who did Jesus pray to? Was he talking to himself?

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InTheFlesh wrote:
Murad wrote:Thats why Jesus is not God, and thats why i dont believe Jesus was any more divine than Abraham, Moses or Muhammad.
Matt.1
[21] And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.
Sorry unfulfilled prophecy, Jesus was rejected by the majority of Jews.
InTheFlesh wrote: [22] Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying,
[23] Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.
I have rebuttaled this claim earlier in another debate.
Before Christianity came into existence(before Christs arrival), there wasn't a single Jew(or non-Jew) that saw the word 'Virgin' in Isaiah 7:14.
Here are the correct & traditional translations:
ArtScroll Tanach
(Stone Edition; AST)*

Therefore, my Lord Himself will give you a sign: Behold, the maiden will become pregnant and bear a son, and she will name him Immanuel.

The Jerusalem Bible
(Koren Publishing; JBK)

Therefore the Lord Himself shall give you a sign: Behold, the young woman is with child, and she will bear a son, and shall call his name ‘Immanu-el’.

JPS Hebrew-English TANAKH (JPS)**

Assuredly, my Lord will give you a sign of His own accord! Look, the young woman is with child and about to give birth to a son. Let her name him Immanuel. [g]

Judaica Press Tanach (JPT)***

Therefore, the Lord, of His own, shall give you a sign; behold, the young woman is with child, and she shall bear a son, and she shall call his name Immanuel.

Soncino Press Tanach (SPT)

Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, the young woman is with child, and she will bear a son, and shall call his name Immanu-El.
Following with the Jewish commentary:
* AST Commentary: Either Isaiah’s (RASHI) or Ahaz’ (RADAQ) young wife will bear a son and, through prophetic inspiration, will give him the name Immanuel, which means “God is With Us.� thus in effect prophesying that Judah will be saved from the threat of Rezin and Pekah.

** JPS Footnote: [g] Meaning “with us is God.�

*** JPT commentary is detailed, and it is summarized in the AST
Isaiah does not contain Messianic prophecies.
InTheFlesh wrote: 1Tim.3
[16] And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
Yep, we are all familiar with Paul.

InTheFlesh wrote:
Murad wrote:But," he said, "you cannot see my face, for no one may see me and live."
(Exodus 33:20)
InTheFlesh wrote:Gen.32
[30] And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.
There's that two sided sword
that forms ONE SHARP POINT!
Thanks for pointing out the contradiction.
Do the people think that they will be left to say, "We believe" without being put to the test?
We have tested those before them, for GOD must distinguish those who are truthful, and He must expose the liars.

(Quran 29:2-3)

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