Hi to all , and since my youth , I have heard that we are to be Baptized for the remission of sins . Lets look at what Acts 2:38 really is saying .
#1 , What is the CONTEXT of Acts 2 ?
#2 , In verse 1 , it is a Jewish feast day .
#3 , Then verse 5 , says the context is all about Jews from Jersualem and from every Nation under heaven , scattered among the Roman empire .
#4 , And in verse 16 , they , the Jews should have known , from the Old Testament because it is written in the book of Joel 2:28-32 .
#5 , thyen in Acts 2:36 , Therefore , let all the house of Israel lnow assurely , that God hath made that same Jesus , whom you have CRUCIFIED both Jehovah and MESSIAH .
#6 , Peter is accusing ther house of Israel , of the murder of their MESSIAH .
#7 , The Jews were cut to the heart , and said , " Men and what shall we do ".
#8 , What shall we do about it , because we killed him and He is dead .
#9 , Peter says to them , " REPENT ( of the murder ) and be Baptized ( in other words , be CLEANSED ) everyone one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the FORGIVENESS of sins ( the forgiveness of the murder ) and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit .
#10 , This form of BAPTISM is the forgiveness of the MURDER of Christ and has N0THING to do with Gentiles today .
Why Acts 2:38 is NOT for us today ?
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Post #21
What does not matter? Freewill? Quickening? Draw?oldkjv wrote:OK if its not a biblical fact then it really don't matter!Benoni wrote:Man is a slave to sin, man is dead in trespasses and it is his nature to totally reject all things of God; man has no choice or freewill to choose his own salvation; this is a religious myth and not a scriptural fact; if anything the Bible teaches it is God who draws; it is Jesus that saves not mans carnal mind believing on by its own will.oldkjv wrote:Where in the bible does it say man does not have a free will.
The word freewill or choice are not found anywhere in the NT when it comes to someone freely choosing his own salvation. The word freewill is not even found in the Bible except for the Freewill Offering in the OT; which has nothing to do with salvation even as an example. God saves us by His grace, the and only then can carnal man have faith to believe in God and be saved. I also showed him that God caused the fall in Romans 8:20 which he totally rejected the content of the verse and replaced it with his bias opinion.
In John 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw (Gk(drag) and I will add forces him: and I will raise him up at the last day. and John 12:32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw (Gk(drag) all men unto me as you so wisely posted. The word draw is the Greek word from Strong’s 1670: helkuo (hel-koo'-o);or helko (hel'-ko); probably akin to 138; to drag (literally or figuratively):
There are eight examples in the NT that shows this word draw means force; Peter drew his sword is one example; the disciples drew their net; the net did not choose or have a freewill neither did the sword.
Notice Ephesians 2: 1And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;
(Eph. 6:17). Then the writer to the Hebrews declares that the sword of God’s word is "QUICK ."Quick means living and active — LIFE-GIVING! "For the word of God that speaks is alive and full of power — making it active, operative, energizing and effective; it is sharper than any two-edged sword" (Heb. 4:12, Amplified).
2Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:
3Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.
4But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,
5Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved
6And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:
7That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.
8For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9Not of works, lest any man should boast
Notice the order, God must quicken us be we are dead in sins; then He saves us by grace; then and only then do we have faith and I will add once this has happen we had no choice or freewill.
Post #22
Benoni wrote:What does not matter? Freewill? Quickening? Draw? How much of your religion is based on freewill? How much of your belief system blames Adam and Eve because they do not have a freewill?oldkjv wrote:OK if its not a biblical fact then it really don't matter!Benoni wrote:Man is a slave to sin, man is dead in trespasses and it is his nature to totally reject all things of God; man has no choice or freewill to choose his own salvation; this is a religious myth and not a scriptural fact; if anything the Bible teaches it is God who draws; it is Jesus that saves not mans carnal mind believing on by its own will.oldkjv wrote:Where in the bible does it say man does not have a free will.
The word freewill or choice are not found anywhere in the NT when it comes to someone freely choosing his own salvation. The word freewill is not even found in the Bible except for the Freewill Offering in the OT; which has nothing to do with salvation even as an example. God saves us by His grace, the and only then can carnal man have faith to believe in God and be saved. I also showed him that God caused the fall in Romans 8:20 which he totally rejected the content of the verse and replaced it with his bias opinion.
In John 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw (Gk(drag) and I will add forces him: and I will raise him up at the last day. and John 12:32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw (Gk(drag) all men unto me as you so wisely posted. The word draw is the Greek word from Strong’s 1670: helkuo (hel-koo'-o);or helko (hel'-ko); probably akin to 138; to drag (literally or figuratively):
There are eight examples in the NT that shows this word draw means force; Peter drew his sword is one example; the disciples drew their net; the net did not choose or have a freewill neither did the sword.
Notice Ephesians 2: 1And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;
(Eph. 6:17). Then the writer to the Hebrews declares that the sword of God’s word is "QUICK ."Quick means living and active — LIFE-GIVING! "For the word of God that speaks is alive and full of power — making it active, operative, energizing and effective; it is sharper than any two-edged sword" (Heb. 4:12, Amplified).
2Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:
3Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.
4But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,
5Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved
6And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:
7That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.
8For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9Not of works, lest any man should boast
Notice the order, God must quicken us be we are dead in sins; then He saves us by grace; then and only then do we have faith and I will add once this has happen we had no choice or freewill.
It was god who caused the fall and Adam had no choice. We have no choice so where is you justification for the pagan word hell?
Post #24
Stop trying to base truth on what you have been taught; truth is progrssive not degressive.oldkjv wrote:You make no sense!!!!!!!!!!!!!(':roll:')
(NIRV) Romans 8: 20 The created world was bound to fail. But that was not the result of its own choice. It was planned that way by the One who made it. God planned to set the created world free. He didn't want it to rot away completely. Instead, he wanted it to have the same glorious freedom that his children have
Ps. 90:1-3. "Lord, You have been our dwelling place in all generations. Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever You have formed the earth or the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, You are God. You (God) turn man to destruction; and say return you children of men.
Post #28
Of course He did. He is God. He is the Alpha and Omega the beginning and the end. In other words He is the first cause and the last cause and every Greek letter in between. NOTHING happens outside of His total and sovereign control. if this was not true He would be truly a god; NOT God.oldkjv wrote:Just cause it was bound for man to sin doesn't mean God forced anyone!
