Are sociopaths destined for hell?

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Are sociopaths destined for hell?

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Christianity preaches many noble virtues such as compassion and empathy (though these do not always manifest in similar actions) and that one can attain forgiveness and access to heaven through accepting the teachings of Jesus Christ.

Sociopaths (people suffering from Antisocial Personality Disorder) are known for their lack of empathy, and in more severe cases a lack of most recognisably human emotions. They also exibit persistent criminal or morally unacceptable behavior. To date there is no known way of treating and curing this psychological defect.

So my question is this:

If one is born to be a person who lacks most of what makes us human (including a moral compass) how can God condemn such a person to hell for simply being what he/she is?

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Re: Are sociopaths destined for hell?

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Slopeshoulder wrote:
Miles wrote:
Flashpoint wrote: If one is born to be a person who lacks most of what makes us human (including a moral compass) how can God condemn such a person to hell for simply being what he/she is?
It's simply one of those "god" mysteries. Just like he can condemn homosexuals to hell for simply being what he/she is. Ask not why your gods tells you what he does, but ask how you can help him do it. "God, what is the best way to kill homosexuals?"*

* Lev. 20:13, "If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their bloodguiltness is upon them"
I'm new here, and I'm sorry, but did someone just advocate the killing of gay people? is that allowed? (Is that not hate speech?) Or did I miss the irony? If so, sorry.
I'm straight FWIW, but gobsmacked and getting my feathers up.

I do agree that of there is a god there's plenty of mystery attached, but not the kind of mystery that would pick one text, interpret it literally, justify or advocate killing, and then post this on a non-nazi site. Did I misinterpret?
Or were you being ironic ans saying the opposite of what I took it to mean?
That post should be erased, it's hateful and dumb.
Back to the question- God doesn't send anyone to Hell. Hell is the idea of being completely away from God, a place God didn't create.

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Flashpoint wrote:Christianity preaches many noble virtues such as compassion and empathy (though these do not always manifest in similar actions) and that one can attain forgiveness and access to heaven through accepting the teachings of Jesus Christ.
Sociopaths (people suffering from Antisocial Personality Disorder) are known for their lack of empathy, and in more severe cases a lack of most recognisably human emotions. They also exibit persistent criminal or morally unacceptable behavior. To date there is no known way of treating and curing this psychological defect.
So my question is this:
If one is born to be a person who lacks most of what makes us human (including a moral compass) how can God condemn such a person to hell for simply being what he/she is?
The straight Biblical answer would probably be Romans 9:19-24 “19One of you will say to me: "Then why does God still blame us? For who resists his will?" 20But who are you, O man, to talk back to God? "Shall what is formed say to him who formed it, 'Why did you make me like this?' "[h] 21Does not the potter have the right to make out of the same lump of clay some pottery for noble purposes and some for common use?
22What if God, choosing to show his wrath and make his power known, bore with great patience the objects of his wrath—prepared for destruction? 23What if he did this to make the riches of his glory known to the objects of his mercy, whom he prepared in advance for glory— 24even us, whom he also called, not only from the Jews but also from the Gentiles?�
It should be noted that Paul is asking rhetorical questions rather than making positive statements, thus even biblically this is not necessarily representative of “God’s thoughts,� as it were.
Though it should also be noted that regarding being “born� a sociopath, a better disorder to use would be psychopaths. Many (possibly the majority) of sociopaths are not born, but rather created due to severe and/or extended emotional trauma at some point in their lives (also occasionally diseases). Psychopaths, on the other hand, I’ve read fairly strong evidence for being born due to genetic factors.
However, I would assert (despite what most Christians believe) the Bible does not conclusively support the notion of free will and science is increasingly supportive that there is not, so the question regarding sociopaths applies to everyone.
Further, it should be noted that despite most Christian depictions of Hell being a place of eternal torment, a strong biblical case can be made regarding Hell as annihilation of the soul. If this is the case, then sociopaths are ‘executed’ (as it were) for their sins in the same manner we would execute one for killing someone.
Flashpoint wrote: But if no amount of time will alter ones perception of right and wrong? Can we lock a person up for simply not having the capacity to adhere to our laws?
Yes, we can. For quite a few years I would have been considered a borderline sociopath, with no inherent moral compass of any kind. But I still understood that OTHER people considered certain things right and wrong. I may not have agreed their beliefs were logical, but I had full understanding that if I was caught violating their rules, I would likely get in trouble.
Thus, for the most part, I abided by those rules. And many full-blown sociopaths also (more or less) abide by the rules, because it is to their advantage to do so. A large percentage of sociopaths have secondary mental illnesses that make criminal behavior more compulsive to them though. These are the greatest threats to society and, if/when caught, the logical action is to lock them away (or kill them) to protect the rest of society, regardless of whether they have the “capacity� to adhere to our laws.
Flashpoint wrote: So if one desires to be with God then you will be saved? But why would an inherently anti-social person (a sociopath in our case) have any desire to be with any god?
Many (not all) sociopaths live based upon what they determine logically to be what is inherently best for them. If their pragmatic goals would be serviced by a belief in God, they may try to conform their beliefs to that. (Note that most would probably just lie about it).
I was never quite that far gone, but was pretty close (Little emotion, no moral compass, complete lack of empathy, tried to do everything for purely logical reasons, would have had little problem killing if it’d been expedient). I determined though that to accomplish my goals, aligning my beliefs to Christianity would be expedient. Though I was never able to do so with mainstream Christianity, the process of developing my “desire to be with God� helped me develop empathy and emotions and internalize a moral compass. Since I have never heard of someone whose completely become a socio-path making a recovery (besides the few resulting from treatable neurological conditions), I have no idea if they could ever go through a similar process.

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