Lake of fire

[achilles12604]

Question for everyone. The lake of fire referred to by the traditional Christian/ Catholic/ Fundi churches.

Is it literally a lake of fire? It is figurative? Other?

[Capbook]

Yes, the fire that devour the sinners, devil, the beast and the false prophet is literal fire that devoured and causes death to them just like Nadab and Abihu.

Rev 20:9-10
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophets are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
KJV
Lev 10:2
2 And there went out fire from the Lord, and devoured them, and they died before the Lord.
KJV

You claim that the fire causes death to the devil.

Then you quote Revelation 20:10 which states that the devil is tormented day and night forever.

Aren't those two statements contradictory?

No, "eternal fire" in Jude 1:7 does not mean that Sodom and Gomorrah are still burning until now.
Same as "forever" in Rev 20:10. And in (Ezek 28:18) that the devil's course parallels that of the ancient king of Tyre, will be turn to ashes.

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/200 ... 2-19&p=par
The original name of the angel who became Satan is unknown. The terms “Satan” and “Devil” mean “Resister” and “Slanderer.” In some respects, Satan’s course parallels that of the ancient king of Tyre. (Ezekiel 28:12-19) Both started out faultless in their ways but became victims of their own haughtiness.

[onewithhim]

Yes, the fire that devour the sinners, devil, the beast and the false prophet is literal fire that devoured and causes death to them just like Nadab and Abihu.

Rev 20:9-10
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophets are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
KJV
Lev 10:2
2 And there went out fire from the Lord, and devoured them, and they died before the Lord.
KJV

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You claim that the fire causes death to the devil.

Then you quote Revelation 20:10 which states that the devil is tormented day and night forever.

Aren't those two statements contradictory?

No, "eternal fire" in Jude 1:7 does not mean that Sodom and Gomorrah are still burning until now.
Same as "forever" in Rev 20:10. And in (Ezek 28:18) that the devil's course parallels that of the ancient king of Tyre, will be turn to ashes.

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/200 ... 2-19&p=par
The original name of the angel who became Satan is unknown. The terms “Satan” and “Devil” mean “Resister” and “Slanderer.” In some respects, Satan’s course parallels that of the ancient king of Tyre. (Ezekiel 28:12-19) Both started out faultless in their ways but became victims of their own haughtiness.

[myth-one.com]

Yes, the fire that devour the sinners, devil, the beast and the false prophet is literal fire that devoured and causes death to them just like Nadab and Abihu.

Rev 20:9-10
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophets are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
KJV
Lev 10:2
2 And there went out fire from the Lord, and devoured them, and they died before the Lord.
KJV

You claim that the fire causes death to the devil.

Then you quote Revelation 20:10 which states that the devil is tormented day and night forever.

Aren't those two statements contradictory?

Nope. Your definition of "tormented" is not correct.

It just means that the devil is put out of commission by being held back from doing anything. He is "jailed" in a sense, . . .

And being in jail is tormenting.

. . .and this is because he will be dead.

If the devil is dead he knows not any thing, and that includes not knowing torment.

Look up the definition of "tormented" and get the sense of the Greek word. It has to do with being jailed, not tortured.

You claim that being dead, the devil is being tormented.

But the scriptures state the following:

For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten. (Ecclesiastes 9:5)

If the dead know not any thing, they do not know torment.

If the devil knows he is being tormented day and night forever, then he knows something.

And knowing something forever proves that he is alive for ever, because the dead know nothing forever.

[onewithhim]

Yes, the fire that devour the sinners, devil, the beast and the false prophet is literal fire that devoured and causes death to them just like Nadab and Abihu.

Rev 20:9-10
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophets are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
KJV
Lev 10:2
2 And there went out fire from the Lord, and devoured them, and they died before the Lord.
KJV

You claim that the fire causes death to the devil.

Then you quote Revelation 20:10 which states that the devil is tormented day and night forever.

Aren't those two statements contradictory?

Nope. Your definition of "tormented" is not correct.

It just means that the devil is put out of commission by being held back from doing anything. He is "jailed" in a sense, . . .

And being in jail is tormenting.

. . .and this is because he will be dead.

If the devil is dead he knows not any thing, and that includes not knowing torment.

Look up the definition of "tormented" and get the sense of the Greek word. It has to do with being jailed, not tortured.

You claim that being dead, the devil is being tormented.

But the scriptures state the following:

For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten. (Ecclesiastes 9:5)

If the dead know not any thing, they do not know torment.

If the devil knows he is being tormented day and night forever, then he knows something.

And knowing something forever proves that he is alive for ever, because the dead know nothing forever.

He doesn't need to KNOW he has been tormented. Tormenting means a desisting of his ability to function, as if in a jail cell. He will not be able to function because he will be dead.

[myth-one.com]

Tormenting means a desisting of his ability to function, as if in a jail cell. He will not be able to function because he will be dead.

torment: severe physical or mental suffering.


For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten. (Ecclesiastes 9:5)


And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. (Revelation 20:10)

If the devil is killed in the lake of fire as you claim, then he cannot be tormented day and night forever as stated in Revelation 20:10 because the dead know not any thing -- so they do not know physical or mental suffering -- which is the knowledge of severe physical or mental suffering

But according to the scriptures, the devil will suffer severe mental suffering (torment) eternally.

Why do you believe that the spiritual bodied devil can die?

[Capbook]

Tormenting means a desisting of his ability to function, as if in a jail cell. He will not be able to function because he will be dead.

torment: severe physical or mental suffering.


For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten. (Ecclesiastes 9:5)


And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. (Revelation 20:10)

If the devil is killed in the lake of fire as you claim, then he cannot be tormented day and night forever as stated in Revelation 20:10 because the dead know not any thing -- so they do not know physical or mental suffering -- which is the knowledge of severe physical or mental suffering

But according to the scriptures, the devil will suffer severe mental suffering (torment) eternally.

Why do you believe that the spiritual bodied devil can die?

Yes, fire prepared for the devil (Mat 25:41) and that fire turn him to ashes. (Ezek 28:18)

Ezk 28:13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God;every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.
Ezk 28:14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.
Ezk 28:15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.
Ezk 28:16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.
Ezk 28:17 Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.
Ezk 28:18 Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee

[myth-one.com]

Yes, fire prepared for the devil (Mat 25:41) and that fire turn him to ashes. (Ezek 28:18)

That's funny.

Why would a non-physical spiritual body leave ashes? It can't even be burned.

The lake of fire is prepared to be the eternal prison of the immortal spiritual bodied devil.

[Capbook]

Yes, fire prepared for the devil (Mat 25:41) and that fire turn him to ashes. (Ezek 28:18)

That's funny.

Why would a non-physical spiritual body leave ashes? It can't even be burned.

The lake of fire is prepared to be the eternal prison of the immortal spiritual bodied devil.

I post Bible verse, did you read Ezek 28:13-18? Is it funny?

[myth-one.com]

Yes, fire prepared for the devil (Mat 25:41) and that fire turn him to ashes. (Ezek 28:18)

That's funny.

Why would a non-physical spiritual body leave ashes? It can't even be burned.

The lake of fire is prepared to be the eternal prison of the immortal spiritual bodied devil.

I post Bible verse, did you read Ezek 28:13-18? Is it funny?

Yes, I read Ezekiel 28. Your interpretation that a spirit being could be burned to death and leave ashes was kinda funny. That's getting something from nothing.

In response, I post this verse:

And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. (Revelation 20:10)

How can the devil be tormented for all eternity as Revelation 20:10 states if he has become a pile of ashes?

Do you understand that the devil is not a human being?

Once again, why would a non-physical spiritual body such as the devil leave ashes when cast into a lake of fire?

Ezekial is referring to the King of Tyre, not the devil.

[onewithhim]

Tormenting means a desisting of his ability to function, as if in a jail cell. He will not be able to function because he will be dead.

torment: severe physical or mental suffering.


For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten. (Ecclesiastes 9:5)


And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. (Revelation 20:10)

If the devil is killed in the lake of fire as you claim, then he cannot be tormented day and night forever as stated in Revelation 20:10 because the dead know not any thing -- so they do not know physical or mental suffering -- which is the knowledge of severe physical or mental suffering

But according to the scriptures, the devil will suffer severe mental suffering (torment) eternally.

Why do you believe that the spiritual bodied devil can die?

One definition that you gave is "severe physical suffering." How much severer suffering could the Devil experience than death? That is the epitome of physical suffering. Anyway, the Devil is a spirit so he wouldn't feel any pain from flames. Your argument falls flat.